| Japan is racist towards all baka gaijins. |
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| How can it be racism if they are both the same race? |
| I feel like Japan is a little racist towards Korea, but that's changing with the newer generation who loves Kpop. On the other hand, a lot of Koreans are racist against Japan, whom they never forgave for invading them and then downplaying the whole event years later. Most Japanese are pretty ignorant of the whole situation... Koreans are pretty racist against Chinese as well (if a person says you look Chinese that means you look ugly here), so I never thought much of it... Not that I agree with it, but it seems pretty common over here in Asia. |
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MessageInTime said: dsister said: How can it be racism if they are both the same race? You can be racist toward your own race. But this is a good point. It's more like generalizing, and is a form of racism. What you're talking about is xenophobia, not racism. |
MessageInTime said: I always knew there was racism between Chinese and Japanese people, but what do you guys think about this? The Chinese hate the Japanese for downplaying what happened at Nanking, and the Japanese hate the Chinese for... Being Chinese. But for years now the hate has grown into simple, irrational racism. The Japanese also did Unit 731, and Pearl Harbour. They also conquered South East Asia and basically made lives worse wherever they went. Japanese are xenophobic. Way more xenophobic than Chinese. Consider that Chinese's history includes Boxing, Opium Wars, and bombardment into hell by the west. And even so, I would still think it is more probable for a Japanese to hate outsiders than Chinese, perhaps they are used to it, or something. MessageInTime said: Totally random anecdote, plus absolutely irrelevant and unnecessary words like 'beautiful.' I'm not sure why it'd pain it, or that I advise that you get used to it, because humans are not rational, and this translates well into how rational hate is.I know a Chinese and Japanese girl (both from Japan and China). The Japanese girl knows Japanese, English and German. Whereas the Chinese girl knows Mandarin, Linhai dialect, English and Korean. Both are straight A students and are at the top of their class. Both are very pretty. In fact, from knowing both of them they'd probably make great friends... But both are INCREDIBLY racist toward each others race. It pains me to know two perfectly smart, beautiful girls can be that close minded. MessageInTime said: Does anyone have experiences with this? What do you guys think? Honestly I can kind of understand the hatred the Chinese have for the Japanese... Imagine if Germany tried to downplay the holocaust. Do you know how much our people would vilify them? But the hate that the Japanese have for the Chinese almost seems like a racial superiority complex more than anything else. Did you know that the richest people were Jews? And that Germany suffered a lot due to the absence of Jews. I'm not talking about whether Adolf was moral, but I think the driving out of Jews was dumb. The case for disabled and crippled makes more sense, as lowering liabilities is rational, but there's nearly no case for Jews. And so, it'd be very bad for the above-mentioned situation to happen. For good reason. |
ZmffkskemJan 27, 2012 8:10 AM
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MessageInTime said: Homolust said: Japan is racist towards all baka gaijins. From knowing several Japanese people, I have only seen them express it towards the Chinese. Almost all I know a very personal level exhibit this even when they go to US universities you can see the prejudice in their body language and almost always hangout with other Japanese students, Caucasians, and blacks. |
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| Let's not forget that the Japanese used to hold swaths of territory in China.. |
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nerb said: Akamitsu said: Do the Japanese hate Koreans? And Filipinos? And Russians? And Taiwanese?Let's not forget that the Japanese used to hold swaths of territory in China.. This isn't some snarky comment in case the answer is "no", as I'm genuinely curious. Koreans hate the Japanese more than the Japanese Hate them. |
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dsister said: How can it be racism if they are both the same race? This is hilarious, can't you distinguish between a Spaniard and Brit? Hint: The Brits are ugly as fuck and the Spaniards have more hair than monkeys. |
Hoppy said: nerb said: Akamitsu said: Do the Japanese hate Koreans? And Filipinos? And Russians? And Taiwanese?Let's not forget that the Japanese used to hold swaths of territory in China.. This isn't some snarky comment in case the answer is "no", as I'm genuinely curious. Koreans hate the Japanese more than the Japanese Hate them. Not really, from what I've seen, the Asian countries are just a clusterfuck of hate . Not only to themselves, but just about every one out there. |
| At my university the e-board for the Japanese student association has more Chinese people on it than Japanese people. I also met someone on Omegle or Chat Roulette or some stupid chat site who didn't like Japanese people just because he was Chinese. You're going to find people on both sides of the fence, but because people more often speak about things they have a problem with rather than things they don't you're more likely to see tension between the nations rather than acceptance. Also if you think that Japanese people in general xenophobic, you probably think you're an expert on Japanese culture because you watch their cartoons. |
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Zmffkskem said: Did you know that the richest people were Jews? And that Germany suffered a lot due to the absence of Jews. I'm not talking about whether Adolf was moral, but I think the driving out of Jews was dumb. The case for disabled and crippled makes more sense, as lowering liabilities is rational, but there's nearly no case for Jews. They were disowned and that was pretty much the reason to get rid of them - you need some money for starting a war Edit: I remember a sentence of an interview with a chinese bm-act: i don't think it is a ns behaviour to nourish feelings of hatred towards a nation, which used to invade our nation as a nazi country during the world war II and prepare to invade us at any moment. It's the same with islamic countries hating the US... |
OnitenshiJan 27, 2012 11:02 AM
PeanutSteak said: Also if you think that Japanese people in general xenophobic, you probably think you're an expert on Japanese culture because you watch their cartoons. The US, Iran, Germany, Saudi Arabia(As far as Sharia law goes, there's nothing against 'foreigners'), ... Not even China or South Korea display the level of xenophobia(i.e. 'I no like you cuz you gaijin!') Japanese today exhibit, even if at a relatively lower level compared to the past. So it's obviously still notable. EDIT: Onitenshi said: This is nothing near a reason at all, other than pointless hate. I'm not willing to throw names and examples of how Germany suffered, but I can say it did.They were disowned and that was pretty much the reason to get rid of them - you need some money for starting a war Onitenshi said: Well, it's quite right but not quite. For one, there's a lot of $ involved regarding the US-Middle East.Edit: I remember a sentence of an interview with a chinese bm-act: i don't think it is a ns behaviour to nourish feelings of hatred towards a nation, which used to invade our nation as a nazi country during the world war II and prepare to invade us at any moment. It's the same with islamic countries hating the US... |
ZmffkskemJan 27, 2012 11:07 AM
「みんながいるからだ。」 － 棗鈴 |
| Guys, this is not really up for discussion. Japan and China are racist against each other for whatever stupid reason, but there's not much anyone can do about it, because most people of those nations think the same way when it comes to that. It really is too much to ask for everyone to just set aside their differences and get along for once. Someday, the world won't be like that, I hope, but I probably won't live to see the day. We can try to make a difference, but without much help, we can't get anywhere within hearing distance of both nations. |
| There is a long fighting history between Japan & China. There were lots of shit, before even the modern era, with Buddhism from China occupying Japan [Japanese people were very protective of Shinto], and as neighboring countries with strong monarchies in past, Japan & China did clash more than several times in history. And then came the world wars & stuff after that. So I can understand the racism. I do agree that it's not good, and I do agree that it's very close-minded, but I can understand it because most of my fellow countrymen have the same kind of racism towards another neighboring country. It is all just about what your family teaches you. |
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| It's a complicated issue, I think. Granted, I don't know how much I can contribute to this discussion but I've had related second-hand experiences. I've lived and grown up in Canada and have never visited Japan. I think the dislike stems mostly from the older generations - those who remember WWII - and unfortunately, such intense negative experiences can have a "ripple effect" on their descendants. For example, my siblings and I are half-Japanese (third generation, however, living in Canada). My sister once dated a Korean guy but they never told his grandmother that she was half-Japanese because he knew his grandmother would hate my sister for it, even though my grandparents were already in Canada during the war (and interned for being Japanese, too). His grandmother, you see, still held a deep-rooted hate towards the Japanese because she experienced the war. Similarly, I used to have a Chinese-Canadian online friend. Her grandmother also remembered the war and hated my friend's fondness for anime purely because anime is Japanese. My friend was accused of liking Japanese culture more than her native Chinese culture. I have a hope, however, that the younger generations will realize that hating one another will produce nothing positive. When I recently went to visit my relatives in the Philippines, one of my cousins was hosting a visiting student from Japan (the student was one of an entire class that visited for a few weeks). The relationship between the Japanese and Filipino students seemed to be good despite the fact that the Philippines was also invaded and occupied by Japan during WWII. Also, in university, I was part of my school's Japanese club. There were members of all sorts of nationalities, including Chinese, and there didn't seem to be any issues between the Chinese members and the Japanese members. But, like I said, I don't claim to have much authority on the issue. I have never been to Japan, either of the Koreas, China, etc., and it's not like I've asked someone, "So, what do you think of Japan/China/Korea?" =/ |
| As an Asian myself, the easiest way to put it into words for non-Asians is: it's an Asian thing. It's Asian to hate among ourselves, I guess :/ I feel like a lot of the times these convos come up, people bring up that Asians do get along... in a Western country. Here in the US, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. can all get a long just fine. But that's because they were raised as Americans in an American environment. If you actually go to Asia, where everyone was born and raised there, you'd find that their feelings toward their Asian neighbors are A LOT more complex. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
PeanutSteak said: At my university the e-board for the Japanese student association has more Chinese people on it than Japanese people. I also met someone on Omegle or Chat Roulette or some stupid chat site who didn't like Japanese people just because he was Chinese. You're going to find people on both sides of the fence, but because people more often speak about things they have a problem with rather than things they don't you're more likely to see tension between the nations rather than acceptance. Also if you think that Japanese people in general xenophobic, you probably think you're an expert on Japanese culture because you watch their cartoons. Quoting for the truth. As for the rest of the thread... AlanViBritannia said: There is a long fighting history between Japan & China. There were lots of shit, before even the modern era, with Buddhism from China occupying Japan [Japanese people were very protective of Shinto], and as neighboring countries with strong monarchies in past, Japan & China did clash more than several times in history. You're just making that up right? |
| I find mostly its the old generations that dislikes other asians due to the wars, and it really depends where you are in China. In Hong Kong they even have a Japanese TV channel, so there isn't much hate there. But mostly, I find a lot of asians are tolerant of other asians in general. |
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| They're totally free to tear themselves apart. I don't really care. |
guyklc said: As an Asian myself, the easiest way to put it into words for non-Asians is: it's an Asian thing. It's Asian to hate among ourselves, I guess :/ Nah, it's the same with Europe (ex-Kosovo or Britain/Ireland for example...) |
Onitenshi said: guyklc said: As an Asian myself, the easiest way to put it into words for non-Asians is: it's an Asian thing. It's Asian to hate among ourselves, I guess :/ Nah, it's the same with Europe (ex-Kosovo or Britain/Ireland for example...) I don't think Brits hate the Irish any more than we hate the Welsh/Scottish/English (delete as appropriate). |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Lauriet said: They're totally free to tear themselves apart. I don't really care. Don't be stupid, if the Japanese start fighting with the Chinese who's gonna make our animu? :p |
Monad said: Lauriet said: They're totally free to tear themselves apart. I don't really care. Don't be stupid, if the Japanese start fighting with the Chinese who's gonna make our animu? :p Well duuh. Nickelodeon of course. They already made the best animu evar. |
| Yes. Chinese people (at least the older generations) don't like Japanese people, and it might be vice versa but I wouldn't know since I'm only Chinese. I honestly have nothing against Japan, but my parents sometimes do, which is why they don't approve of anime/manga. LOL xD |
| A lot of criminals flee from China to Japan, so a lot of the Japanese prisons house them. That would probably bother me if I lived in Japan. I think the Chinese reason for hating Japanese is silly, because it's not even relevant. I know that there are Chinese people who dislike Japan for historical reasons (parents of people I know). I'm not childish enough to dislike individuals based on something someone else of the same ethnicity did a long time ago. Honestly I don't think Japanese people really care. My parents don't. I communicate with Japanese people daily and from my (limited) experience with the matter they're just totally chill with Chinese people. I think this is just because Japanese parents don't go out of their way to brainwash their kids...because they don't care enough. But I do know Chinese individuals who are affected by their parents' dislike for Japanese people. It's sad to see. It's just awkward. You seriously should be worrying about your own life more than something someone did 70 years ago to someone of your ethnicity. Like go study something or do something for your community. |
| Japaneses hate #1 Korea * South & North; but since there's a lack of fights with the North due to its shutdown policy, the South tends to get more negatives. There are a lot of ongoing conflicts e.g. territory conflicts: See Liancourt Rocks; copyright problems; business competitions etc. #2 China. It's often a target of humiliation/criticism in news. Apart from history, there's ongoing territory conflicts. See Senkaku Islands. The situation is similar to Korea but Korea often rank higher in stat. Taiwan is excluded. In fact, it is one of the most friendly "countries" for Japan. Hong Kong is also excluded, which is rather neutral. #3 USA History, military occupation & trade conflicts, current world politics #4+ England, Australia, Russia It's just in statistics not every Japanese behaves the same. Rankings may vary but the top 3 more or less stay top. Note that many Japaneses like England & USA too, while K-pop and drama is popular among some Japaneses. I don't see why one need to hate a person because he/she dislike the country. But if they are grown up in different countries, then it may be because they have different cultures which affect their love & hate. They do have different values and behave differently. |
bottleJan 28, 2012 7:25 PM
Fui said: Honestly I don't think Japanese people really care. My parents don't. I communicate with Japanese people daily and from my (limited) experience with the matter they're just totally chill with Chinese people. I think this is just because Japanese parents don't go out of their way to brainwash their kids...because they don't care enough. But I do know Chinese individuals who are affected by their parents' dislike for Japanese people. It's sad to see. It's just awkward. You seriously should be worrying about your own life more than something someone did 70 years ago to someone of your ethnicity. Like go study something or do something for your community. Does anyone remember the nico incident? I am aware that everyone is a Japan fan here, but let's not put them on a pedestal just because. There are Chinese who are racist and some who are not, the same goes for Japan. You don't go "Chinese people are racist, but Japan just don't care 'cause they're boss like that." Seriously everything said in this thread is just a bunch of overgeneralizations imo. The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans share a lot of media attention. There's a HK TV channel in Japan, and the HK film industry is also pretty big over there. Celebrities from Korea, Japan and Hong Kong make stops in each other's countries to meet fans, promote movies, do TV shows, take part in game shows and stuff. The thing is these shows and celebrities are *uknown* in the west, no one would watch them if they showed them on American TV. Has anyone ever heard of Cine City Hong Kong in Tokyo? That would be the equivalent of a weeaboo shop in the west; mugs, posters, figurines, DVDs, music and books that teach you how to speak 広東語, amongst other things. And this all began during the older generation of Asians. Plenty of Chinese kids also grew up watching Japanese anime, and it's not like their parents are limiting their exposure to Japanese media. I kind of left out China in all of this, but Hong Kong are Chinese too. Either way I'm just showing that a majority aren't as racist as people seem to think they are. And those who are racist exist mostly on the internet making overgeneralizations, like us lolol. Also to add (not directed at anyone in particular), you being Asian doesn't make your opinion more authentic than anything said by others. I have learned to question any comments made about Asians, by westernized Asians. |
| Well, some of the Chinese have copied the Japanese so part of the hate stems from that. I'm not really sure why they hate each other THAT much though...it boggles me. |
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Mouhappai said: Also to add (not directed at anyone in particular), you being Asian doesn't make your opinion more authentic than anything said by others. I have learned to question any comments made about Asians, by westernized Asians. I will respond to this because I've said something similar along this line. I'm not trying to say that I'm right and everyone else is wrong, but I think the opinions of Asian people living in Asia are more likely to reflect the opinions of real Asian people in general. Westernized Asians form a very small minority in the Asian people community (globally speaking), and most of them are only Asian by blood, and not necessarily by heart. Therefore, the opinions of Westernized Asians are just very small voices among Asian people. Anyways, this is the feeling that I get as an Asian who has lived in both Asia and the US. |
Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Forgive and Forget - Does it exist between Japan and China? |
kjra92 said: Forgive and Forget - Does it exist between Japan and China? ... Chineses fight among themselves Taiwaneses hate Chinese Hong Kong people hate mainland Chinese Racism is largely Allowed and in practice in Asia (even it's not really a different race). People seeing these will not try to discourage them, they may ignore if not joining ... |
bottle said: kjra92 said: Forgive and Forget - Does it exist between Japan and China? ... Chineses fight among themselves Taiwaneses hate Chinese Hong Kong people hate mainland Chinese Racism is largely Allowed and in practice in Asia (even it's not really a different race). People seeing these will not try to discourage them, they may ignore if not joining ... Actually, as a Taiwanese myself who has lived in Taiwan and been to China multiple times, I actually think you're more likely to find a Mainlander who hates Taiwanese than a Taiwanese who hates Mainlanders. Once, when I was in Beijing, I was talking to a friend on a taxi. I just mentioned that I was from Taiwan (no political talks or anything), and the taxi driver just stopped driving and started bitching out at me at how much he hates Taiwan and Taiwanese people for being traitors. In Taiwan, while most are suspicious of the Communist government, I've never heard anyone in person bitching out at Mainlanders for no reason. I even once wore a Beijing 2008 Olympics T-shirt in a rather pro-independence neighborhood; no one said anything. On the contrary, a lot of Taiwanese think it's a cool thing that my parents actually work in China. |
Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
guyklc said: bottle said: kjra92 said: Forgive and Forget - Does it exist between Japan and China? ... Chineses fight among themselves Taiwaneses hate Chinese Hong Kong people hate mainland Chinese Racism is largely Allowed and in practice in Asia (even it's not really a different race). People seeing these will not try to discourage them, they may ignore if not joining ... Actually, as a Taiwanese myself who has lived in Taiwan and been to China multiple times, I actually think you're more likely to find a Mainlander who hates Taiwanese than a Taiwanese who hates Mainlanders. Try posting in TW board in simplified Chinese and use mainlander dialects, then start talking about TW politics and see how often you will get bashed by TW people. |
bottle said: guyklc said: bottle said: kjra92 said: Forgive and Forget - Does it exist between Japan and China? ... Chineses fight among themselves Taiwaneses hate Chinese Hong Kong people hate mainland Chinese Racism is largely Allowed and in practice in Asia (even it's not really a different race). People seeing these will not try to discourage them, they may ignore if not joining ... Actually, as a Taiwanese myself who has lived in Taiwan and been to China multiple times, I actually think you're more likely to find a Mainlander who hates Taiwanese than a Taiwanese who hates Mainlanders. Try posting in TW board in simplified Chinese and use mainlander dialects, then start talking about TW politics and see how often you will get bashed by TW people. Oh, not saying that there's no hatred against Mainlanders from Taiwanese. I know there are plenty of them. They're just not as outspoken in real life in comparison to the Mainlanders. After all, anti-China groups in Taiwan have plenty of supporters. |
Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Everyone is racist to China. /thread. |
guyklc said: After all, anti-China groups in Taiwan have plenty of supporters. Same in Japan, they got supporters for anti-China and anti-Korea groups. For mainlanders, although personal experience differs, in general, there's no strong reason for them to hate TW or HK... unless someone got personally discriminated by them. Anyway, racism brings more hates. People who are neutral tend to avoid politics & history in daily chats. |
bottleJan 29, 2012 10:50 AM
Mouhappai said: Fui said: Honestly I don't think Japanese people really care. My parents don't. I communicate with Japanese people daily and from my (limited) experience with the matter they're just totally chill with Chinese people. I think this is just because Japanese parents don't go out of their way to brainwash their kids...because they don't care enough. But I do know Chinese individuals who are affected by their parents' dislike for Japanese people. It's sad to see. It's just awkward. You seriously should be worrying about your own life more than something someone did 70 years ago to someone of your ethnicity. Like go study something or do something for your community. Does anyone remember the nico incident? I am aware that everyone is a Japan fan here, but let's not put them on a pedestal just because. There are Chinese who are racist and some who are not, the same goes for Japan. You don't go "Chinese people are racist, but Japan just don't care 'cause they're boss like that." Seriously everything said in this thread is just a bunch of overgeneralizations imo. The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans share a lot of media attention. There's a HK TV channel in Japan, and the HK film industry is also pretty big over there. Celebrities from Korea, Japan and Hong Kong make stops in each other's countries to meet fans, promote movies, do TV shows, take part in game shows and stuff. The thing is these shows and celebrities are *uknown* in the west, no one would watch them if they showed them on American TV. Has anyone ever heard of Cine City Hong Kong in Tokyo? That would be the equivalent of a weeaboo shop in the west; mugs, posters, figurines, DVDs, music and books that teach you how to speak 広東語, amongst other things. And this all began during the older generation of Asians. Plenty of Chinese kids also grew up watching Japanese anime, and it's not like their parents are limiting their exposure to Japanese media. I kind of left out China in all of this, but Hong Kong are Chinese too. Either way I'm just showing that a majority aren't as racist as people seem to think they are. And those who are racist exist mostly on the internet making overgeneralizations, like us lolol. Also to add (not directed at anyone in particular), you being Asian doesn't make your opinion more authentic than anything said by others. I have learned to question any comments made about Asians, by westernized Asians. I said based on my limited experience. I merely stated from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I have met several individuals who are racist to Japanese but none vice versa (internationally or at home). In either case it's sad to hear that. Because from streams I've seen Japanese people have listened to Chinese songs and sung along, and treated Chinese individuals internationally almost like celebrities. But again, that's from my personal experience. |
| Racism is ALWAYS ugly. I think what has been done to black people is inexcusable. I think what has been done to native Americans is inexcusable. I think what has been done to Aborigines is inexcusable. The simple truth is almost our entire race is inexcusably racist. And when you consider that following the eruption of Toba most of our race was eliminated, and all of our ancestors really come from a VERY small slice of genetic stock, to think that any of us are all that different regardless of surface cosmetic details is really only what it is, a lack of good education. But that's the problem with racism eh, most of it is driven by ignorance and people with small minds. |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
| spoke to a chinese taxi driver the other night who hated the japs.. i asked him why and he said Nanjing.. he said the chinese are burning because the japs never apologised properly. his name was kevin and he has a chinese wife and they visit china every 3 months. he also told me that china is now capitalist and they are changing their ways |
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| from what I 've seen,not all chinese hate japanese.As evidence,there are many chinese love anime,there are tons of forum about anime or japanese culture in chinese.If they hate Japan so much,they won't buy anime from Japan.Only minority of them hold grudge about the massacre in Nanjing done by japanese since it happen long time ago Some Chinese say Japan government alter the history about the masasarce of Nanjing and they say they hate Japanese because of this.I dunno the detail but I believe some media in Japan convey the message of "Japan had done something terrible to China long time ago."For example,in this anime(ghost hunt): http://myanimelist.net/anime/1571/Ghost_Hunt there was one eposide that the main female character(Mai) apologise to the Hong Kong man(Lin)because her country has done something terrible to China.This anime is broadcast in Japan openly.In this case,we can see some Japanese already accept this trth and feel sorry.So,I,myself,as a chinese(although I'm not from China)hope that chinese should not hold grudge to Japan anymore.Chinese shouldn't do something like laughing at Japanese when the big earthquake happen and their nuclear reactor melt down(In my knowledge,some chinese laugh at japanese and say they deserve this in Internet when 311 earthquake happen). |
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| Japan in their typically 1st world patriotism, badly denouncing anything, except themselves, that pulls the shallow facepalm... China in their typically increasing ego due to their increasing economy and dependency of the world to them... end result: a typical battle of mouth stretching and tongue sticking(childish raspberries)...meh |
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