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01-23-12, 10:36 AM

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JonyJC said:
Stop buying movies and anything related, they suck anyway so we may as well let movie theaters become popcorn stands best way to get to a percentage of the people trying to pass this.


http://ycombinator.com/rfs9.html <-- A plan to do pretty much exactly that.

For those who don't like clicking links:

 
01-23-12, 10:53 AM

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freedom of internet

R.I.P.

- I guess civil society will lose before economic sharks.
 
01-23-12, 10:59 AM

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Hasn't America already signed ACTA some time ago? And you still watch anime and tv series online there, right? ( <- question to american users) Maybe it won't be that devastating. Come on, can the government/internet provider really follow all people moves in the internet? Sounds like science-fiction. Or "1984".
I think that majority of films, tv series and stuff has already moved to the internet. Government should accept that and, if they do (really do) want to stop piracy, provide some solution online instead of blocking access to some websites. For example, sites with high quality films where you pay for watching (but not too much) and money goes to the film's creators. And fighting piracy at the same time. Sounds too utiopia-like... okay, maybe it's not possible at all...
And of course - stop ACTA, long live freedom!
 
01-23-12, 11:09 AM

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How do we stop it or are we too late? I'm concerned.
 
01-23-12, 11:16 AM

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How do we stop it or are we too late? I'm concerned.

Go downtown and search for a sewer with a red lid on it. Climb down and walk straight ahead, take the next turn right and you'll find a button with a sign above that says "ACTA elimination button". Push the button; problem solved.

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There's nothing you can do really, except spreading the word and uphold the protests.
The Internet is a very bad place, you should never go there.
 
01-23-12, 11:16 AM

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It'd be cool if Obama would just do something about the economy instead of all this bullshit.
It'd be cool if Obama was competent in any way, shape, or form.

I guarantee you he wouldn't have threatened to veto SOPA if there wasn't such an active opposition. Just trying to secure votes for reelection.
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01-23-12, 11:29 AM

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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.
 
01-23-12, 11:39 AM

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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.


They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.


 
01-23-12, 12:17 PM

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Hoppy said:
Day2Dream said:
Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.


They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.

Good old Eminent Domain. It's been around since right around the American Civil War I believe (not a history guy, not even of my own country, so don't quote me on that). They do at least have to offer "fair compensation," though, whatever they'll decide that means.
 
01-23-12, 1:58 PM

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Hoppy said:
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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.

They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.

That's like ripping a section off on your country especially if you're going to house a lot of people. The death sentence would be more economic at that scale...
 
01-23-12, 2:12 PM

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Forget desember 20, the world is ending now
 
01-23-12, 8:53 PM

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Well put...but honestly...why does limiting piracy have to compromise freedoms. If you ask me, having my iPod taken away because it has pirated music on it just doesn't seem right...
 
01-23-12, 9:08 PM

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EVA_UNIT_02 said:
Well put...but honestly...why does limiting piracy have to compromise freedoms. If you ask me, having my iPod taken away because it has pirated music on it just doesn't seem right...
I'm pretty sure that's not legal in any way, shape, or form. I'm ignorant, but it seems they're trying to do something they simply can't have the power to.
 
01-24-12, 2:06 PM

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Don't you think those laws are something more than just for preventing piracy?
cause you know, the industry is rather gaining by free downloads than loosing. and you don't need to be an economist to know that popularity=profit.

what I mean is, there are many informations about governments on the internet, that governments aren't found of ( wikileaks? ).

wouldn't this law allow to shut mouth of everyone who knows something uncomfortable?
something like people who knew too much were ''disappearing'' the old days.

lulz conspiracy theories.
 
01-24-12, 2:22 PM

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ACTA or how to rape the world's economy.

-Rich will get richer
-Poor will get poorer
-Most people that download illegaly mp3/movies/animes won't ever pay for them so it will result in the product being less known which will in the end produce less money on the long term.
-Because of said product not being as much widely known as it was when it was actually possible to get it for free the production studios will have to invest more into publicity which will result in work which less quality which will also result in a drop in the sale.

For country such as Japan where anime/manga is actually a big part of the economy this will be a huge blow and will result in Japan's economy dropping quite a while.

Meanwhile chinese people get beated up behind school, car run on child, rapist rape, murderer kill and many people die of poverty but hey, these event are IRL. Who care about IRL when you have internet.
 
01-24-12, 5:36 PM

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http://rt.com/news/acta-internet-censor-treaty-591/

ACTA was ratified by US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand Morroco, Singapore in 2011?

They gonna police everything we do on internet. They gonna take away internet freedom. This is a tragedy
 
01-24-12, 9:29 PM

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http://rt.com/news/acta-internet-censor-treaty-591/

ACTA was ratified by US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand Morroco, Singapore in 2011?

They gonna police everything we do on internet. They gonna take away internet freedom. This is a tragedy
This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
 
01-24-12, 11:31 PM

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This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
The new world order actually started to be put into motion when the people started revolutions against communism. Many countries, like mine, needed to be quickly absorbed after by NATO, EU and other 'people's' alliances and be put into USA's sphere of influence so they can get more power when needed. It's no joking matter when I say that the Americans do almost everything they want in my country (thus the protests that recently started against the current government) and I'm not happy about that. //true thoughts
Next, the new world order needed a reason to be grown, so they simply blew the twin towers up. Whether they were brought down by the terrorist or imploded using charges, then that is another discussion but whatever happened, it was still a conspicuous event (everything is linked too well together). After the twin towers collapsed, the USA finally had the reason to start waging war, and while the globalization worked at its maximum swallowing whole world markets, they could spread their military presence as well. //unproved conspiracies
In my opinion, the new world order was finally in its last step when USA declared SOPA and PIPA, while working on ACTA in the behind scenes. If you cannot see it, the Internet is the last form of free-speech and it grew far too powerful for those up the ladder and now they're trying to bring it down. It's way too obvious what they're trying to do, so people finally started to get a grasp of the situation. We might face a war in this conditions. //pessimistic thoughts

Note: When I talk about USA, I talk about the corporates, not the people. The people don't have any fault in the matter.

As a fun fact, you won't be able to use 'God help us!' in the near future because it will be copyrighted by the church xD
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01-25-12, 4:20 AM

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koleare said:
DraconisMarch said:
This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
The new world order actually started to be put into motion when the people started revolutions against communism. Many countries, like mine, needed to be quickly absorbed after by NATO, EU and other 'people's' alliances and be put into USA's sphere of influence so they can get more power when needed. It's no joking matter when I say that the Americans do almost everything they want in my country (thus the protests that recently started against the current government) and I'm not happy about that. //true thoughts
Next, the new world order needed a reason to be grown, so they simply blew the twin towers up. Whether they were brought down by the terrorist or imploded using charges, then that is another discussion but whatever happened, it was still a conspicuous event (everything is linked too well together). After the twin towers collapsed, the USA finally had the reason to start waging war, and while the globalization worked at its maximum swallowing whole world markets, they could spread their military presence as well. //unproved conspiracies
In my opinion, the new world order was finally in its last step when USA declared SOPA and PIPA, while working on ACTA in the behind scenes. If you cannot see it, the Internet is the last form of free-speech and it grew far too powerful for those up the ladder and now they're trying to bring it down. It's way too obvious what they're trying to do, so people finally started to get a grasp of the situation. We might face a war in this conditions. //pessimistic thoughts

Note: When I talk about USA, I talk about the corporates, not the people. The people don't have any fault in the matter.

As a fun fact, you won't be able to use 'God help us!' in the near future because it will be copyrighted by the church xD
No, I totally agree. I was just saying there are a ton of ignorant asses out there who just call people who talk about it paranoid and crazy. Now that their rights are being stripped away, it'll be interesting to see what ignorant retards will continue living in their own world.

Sometimes, I wish I was as ignorant as those people, because hearing about this stuff just stresses me out--and there's nothing I can do to fix it. Sometimes, I wish I just didn't know anything and could keep frollicking through life, blissfully unaware. But then I'd be in for one hell of a rude awakening.
 
01-25-12, 10:16 AM

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Maddo_scientisto said:
ACTA or how to rape the world's economy.

-Rich will get richer
-Poor will get poorer
-Most people that download illegaly mp3/movies/animes won't ever pay for them so it will result in the product being less known which will in the end produce less money on the long term.
-Because of said product not being as much widely known as it was when it was actually possible to get it for free the production studios will have to invest more into publicity which will result in work which less quality which will also result in a drop in the sale.
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My thoughts exactly. I dont understand one thing. 95 % of WORLDS society is against ACTA, SOPA etx and they still going to be signed.... So this means that really words like democracy, freedom are just bullsh@t. We're going back to Socialism

I think that the present time ( few months, maybe 1 year or 2 from now) will be very important. It will determine what will happen with our freedom. I will say it again Because the statement that all those SOPAs PIPAs ACTAs are created just to destroy piracy is f@cking bullsh@t

What will stop them from using those laws to restrain the whole internet. Politics, companies will control all the materials ( for example they will delete messages that are criticizing them). They will have the power and there will always be person to use it

Its like with dna manipulation. The cause is good ( saving human lives, cure for cancer, to prevent hunger etx) But its also ( very:P) possible that some maniac will rise and use this technology to for example to create a human perfect army etx ( so he will use it for evil- yes i love SF and Fantasy)

Those laws give to much power and restrain the internet

Ok im going to watch few anime when i still can. Few hours till Japan sings ACTA
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01-25-12, 12:25 PM

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I must buy a few external hard drives and download a mass collection of anime. I don't have the money to buy them or the internet speed to download the mass collection that comes to mind.
I plan on watching the videos someone posted about acta but I'm at college right now.
Maybe I can find some blogs or something about it to read for now. If acta got passed the internet wouldn't be the same anymore.
 
01-25-12, 1:26 PM

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I must buy a few external hard drives and download a mass collection of anime. I don't have the money to buy them or the internet speed to download the mass collection that comes to mind.
I plan on watching the videos someone posted about acta but I'm at college right now.
Maybe I can find some blogs or something about it to read for now. If acta got passed the internet wouldn't be the same anymore.
Are you talking about Japan or elsewhere? Because it's already passed in a lot of places. Which is terrifying. Apparently it doesn't go into motion until sometime in 2013 however.
 
01-25-12, 4:01 PM

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I wasn't really talking about any country in particular. I live in the united states and according to other peoples' comments its already passed here. 2013 is real soon when you think about it. The other things it mentioned in that one video is horrible too. Some people really rely on generic drugs. I take a generic anti depressant but that's not life threatening really but what about the poor people with cancer or certain diseases. I don't really understand the thing about the seeds though.
 
01-25-12, 7:03 PM

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Well then, *puts strike cap on* lets do this. I am ready for another blackout protest. I will even start boycotts if I have to anywhere they sell merchandise. I wonder if the search engines, social networks.and.all those who protested against SOPA/PIPA will.protest again...Anonymous is a given, maybe Lulzsec will resurrect even. Oh well, we should rally up as.many communities as we can and get another blackout going, harass congressmen some more, etc as.much as we can.possibly do non-violently. Lets make some history folks.
 
01-26-12, 4:48 PM

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should i worry about this?
 
01-26-12, 8:40 PM

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should i worry about this?
Of coarse not, its not like you don't use Youtube or anything...
 
01-27-12, 3:05 AM

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Romania signed ACTA. I've got nothing to say, no comment. I'm thinking of cutting myself from the Internet, lol.
There are two good things though.
Seems like ACTA won't be put into action in EU if it isn't voted by all EU countries in June. Apparently, Netherlands, Estonia, Cyprus, Slovakia and Germany didn't sign the agreement, so nothing will happen for now (way to go to those countries), at least until June.
The second thing is this (apparently this is was the site of the Romanian National Institute of Physics and Nuclear Engineering - lol, I didn't open anything from there, but seems like garbage) - LE - seems like it's finally down, lol.
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01-27-12, 5:29 AM

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Didnt EU sign this shit?
Hopefully not coming not Norway. But It will most likely considering the norwegian politics sucks.
 
01-27-12, 8:41 AM

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01-27-12, 10:25 AM

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Didnt EU sign this shit?
Hopefully not coming not Norway. But It will most likely considering the norwegian politics sucks.
They signed it. It can't be put into motion until the Parliament has given its approval though, which will be in June. It can still be stopped if only one vote is against it in the Parliament. If all countries vote for, we'll enter a new Internet Era ;D
 
01-27-12, 12:15 PM

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This is the end of democracy. Democracy is all about free speech and the rule of the people. Yet this ACTA shit is being signed without even bothering to inform the population, much less asking their opinion on this.

Don't talk to me about character development if Kaizuka Inaho or Slaine Troyard are in your favorites.
 
01-27-12, 12:26 PM

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This is the end of democracy. Democracy is all about free speech and the rule of the people. Yet this ACTA shit is being signed without even bothering to inform the population, much less asking their opinion on this.


Yes this is the main problem I have with it.
It wouldn't bother me that much if ACTA was accepted by the majority of the people but the fact that a few dozens of men that barely use internet themselve are deciding what will happen with it make me sick.
 
01-27-12, 12:51 PM

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I also see tons of people losing their jobs and the whole IT industry slowing down. Many internet providing services will either go bankrupt or simply cease to exist. What would be the use to pay for internet if it's so much trouble and doesn't grant you access to any information you may need ? The only free source of knowledge will be gone and since books are expensive already, the future generation will only turn dumber and dumber. Way to go and make people more stupid than they already are.

Don't talk to me about character development if Kaizuka Inaho or Slaine Troyard are in your favorites.
 
01-27-12, 12:57 PM

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It's all about money, sadly.
Poland signed it damn...so basicly noOne will have access to anime anymore meh.


"Everything you can do legally today in the EU, you would be legally able to do if Acta is ratified."
So you're saying man that EU will tell me what I can do and what not even when it comes to internet? EU do not allow you to watch anime, watch youtube or google sites that EU hates....FAIL.



http://krzysztofgonciarz.com/2012/01/wygralismy/
For all ppl around the world. Just Try to call/write to our/your goverment/rulers and convince them not to sign this in full glance, because there is still a chance to win! Second round April!
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01-27-12, 1:06 PM

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This is the end of democracy. Democracy is all about free speech and the rule of the people. Yet this ACTA shit is being signed without even bothering to inform the population, much less asking their opinion on this.

You believe in democracy? Naive.

It's signed but not ratified yet.

 
 
01-27-12, 1:43 PM

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This article speaks about modyfing the treaty. It can still not be ratified as a whole, US did that.

 
01-27-12, 1:44 PM

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"Everything you can do legally today in the EU, you would be legally able to do if Acta is ratified."
So you're saying man that EU will tell me what I can do and what not even when it comes to internet? EU do not allow you to watch anime, watch youtube or google sites that EU hates....FAIL.


His saying: "Everything you can do legally today in the EU, you would be legally able to do if Acta is ratified."
What he forget to mention is: "It's just that now we will know everything you do and can throw you in jail for the most stupidest things easily".
 
01-27-12, 2:41 PM

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The only free source of knowledge will be gone and since books are expensive already, the future generation will only turn dumber and dumber. Way to go and make people more stupid than they already are.


i wouldn't agree to that. Using only internet source doesn't make you smarter. Yes you can find things in internet faster and more accurate ( you know "ctrl + F" button) and read only parts of a text that you need. Its a plus. But in the same time if you were searching for the same information in a book you had to read a lot more. More reading= more knowledge.
Of course this is only a simple example but i don't think that internet made people smarter. More lazy =YES

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SailorKagome said:
This is the end of democracy. Democracy is all about free speech and the rule of the people. Yet this ACTA shit is being signed without even bothering to inform the population, much less asking their opinion on this.


Yes this is the main problem I have with it.
It wouldn't bother me that much if ACTA was accepted by the majority of the people but the fact that a few dozens of men that barely use internet themselve are deciding what will happen with it make me sick.


The same here. I believe over 90 % of worlds society is against all this ACTAS yet politicians are doing what they want...hey is it a good prognostic for the future??
 
01-27-12, 2:42 PM

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It's all about money, sadly.
Poland signed it damn...so basicly noOne will have access to anime anymore meh.


I beleive that it won't go that way at least.
More service like Crunchyroll's will probably see the day if ACTA is put in action.

Crunchyroll pay for the liscence to stream the anime they do so watching anime on CR is completely legal. The problem now is that this service is not available world-wide. When pirating anime will become impossible then someone in EU might see profit in doing a CR-like business and he will do.
I don't think those service will stay free though but they might be offered for a small monthly price much more interesting than actually buying anime DVD/BR.

It also wouldn't be impossible for the actually good subber to start doing professionaly work for said agency because let's face it: CR got a few good subber but most of them are average at best.

ACTA is bad, i'm against it but when I see people whining only because they won't be able to watch anime anymore and not because of how morally wrong this whole treaty is then it makes me a sad panda.
 
01-27-12, 2:55 PM

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SailorKagome said:
The only free source of knowledge will be gone and since books are expensive already, the future generation will only turn dumber and dumber. Way to go and make people more stupid than they already are.


i wouldn't agree to that. Using only internet source doesn't make you smarter. Yes you can find things in internet faster and more accurate ( you know "ctrl + F" button) and read only parts of a text that you need. Its a plus. But in the same time if you were searching for the same information in a book you had to read a lot more. More reading= more knowledge.
Of course this is only a simple example but i don't think that internet made people smarter. More lazy =YES



I agree with you but Internet is a good source of information for poor people. In my country, paying for internet is cheaper than buying a book. Whenever I study for an exam, I also download lots of books ( mostly in PDF) from torrents or scribd, books that I honestly don't afford. That's why internet is good, because it's cheap. And even though is not as good as reading a book, it's still better than nothing.

Don't talk to me about character development if Kaizuka Inaho or Slaine Troyard are in your favorites.
 
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The so called attack against piracy, is actually an attack against bloggers and freedom of speech on the internet.

Like they give a damn about us downloading movies and mp3's illegaly.

But did you know that the news and articles of various news agencies, and the images and videos therein, are also copyrighted?

With laws such as SOPA/PIPA/ACTA these will be affected too, as in others will not be able to reproduce these articles, images and videos in their sites which will therefore result in a monopoly of opinion on the internet by the official news agencies.

I think this is their true goal. To reign in the internet freedom of speech and alternative news and opinions.
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01-28-12, 2:21 AM

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SailorKagome said:

I agree with you but Internet is a good source of information for poor people. In my country, paying for internet is cheaper than buying a book. Whenever I study for an exam, I also download lots of books ( mostly in PDF) from torrents or scribd, books that I honestly don't afford. That's why internet is good, because it's cheap. And even though is not as good as reading a book, it's still better than nothing.


Yeah your right. Thats why i think that rather creating ACTA ( and all those problems that it comes with - restricting the internet, freedom of speech etx) they should create a new price policy. I know its nothing new but really if they would fight piracy with lower prices it would be beneficial to all

And they should stop talking b@llshit that with lower prices it wouldn't be cost-effective.If in todays world with piracy a movie /music star earns hundreds of dollars for a singe role in a movie/concert then it means thats cost-effective. And for example screenwriters must protest cause they don't have money ( and their work is often much more important then the actors)
They just need a change in the industry politics not in the internet

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I think this is their true goal To reign in the internet freedom of speech and alternative news and opinions.


Yeah All those ACTAS are not a fight against piracy. Its a fight to have power over internet. And thats the saddest thing for me. Politicians are saying that they are doing it for the good of society In reality its all about power
 
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The so called attack against piracy, is actually an attack against bloggers and freedom of speech on the internet.

Like they give a damn about us downloading movies and mp3's illegaly.

But did you know that the news and articles of various news agencies, and the images and videos therein, are also copyrighted?

With laws such as SOPA/PIPA/ACTA these will be affected too, as in others will not be able to reproduce these articles, images and videos in their sites which will therefore result in a monopoly of opinion on the internet by the official news agencies.

I think this is their true goal. To reign in the internet freedom of speech and alternative news and opinions.


Agree on that. As i said many time the strong openness of the internet feels very threatening to them and they want to turn it into another control medium in the way they managed to basically control most of the usual press like papers and TV.
 
01-28-12, 12:20 PM

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I am not worried until congress enacts legislation enacting it into law.It is a treaty regardless of what Obama is trying to call it and as such it needs congress to write legislation to enact it into law.


I do not know if anyone remembers that illegal in Texaswho was executed several months age for raping and murdering a 16 year old girl , he tried claiming his consular rights were denied. The supreme court said that even though the US signed a treaty granting consular rights congress must enact legislation in order for that international law to apply.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leal_Garcia_v._Texas
Leal Garcia v. Texas

The Court did not stay the execution because Congress must enact legislation in order for international law to apply.
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01-29-12, 11:27 PM

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ACTA is not an act, it's a trade agreement.
They can form an international legal group but can they by-pass a country's legal system?
 
01-29-12, 11:30 PM

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This is what happens when trolls succeed in pissing off the government officials.

 
02-03-12, 1:22 AM

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Anonymous hacked the website of my country's Ministry of Justice today. Demanding our politicians should not sign ACTA. Which they did, anyway.

However I'm thankful that they tried. Though I still don't trust them, they said big truths in the video that they uploaded on the hacked site. For that I'm thankful too. I guess it won't hurt to support them in their fight against ACTA, at least.
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02-03-12, 2:48 AM

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By the way, if anyone wants to help, you can sign this Anti-ACTA petition which will be delivered to decision-makers in Brussels :]
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?slideshow
 
02-03-12, 3:28 AM

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Strider said:
By the way, if anyone wants to help, you can sign this Anti-ACTA petition which will be delivered to decision-makers in Brussels :]
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?slideshow


I don't think this will achieve anything, my friend. Other than that in a very possible dystopian soon-to-come future, they will round us up for signing up there. :P

Oh no problem, they're gonna get me anyway!
Signature? I ain't got no signature! I don't need no signature! I don't have to show you any stinkin' signature!
 
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