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Jan 22, 2012 3:21 AM
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http://krzysztofgonciarz.com/2012/01/acta-in-poland-the-current-situation-in-english/



http://prawo.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/551044,stan_wojenny_odpowiedzia_na_atak_hakerow_prezydent_podpisal_ustawe.html,1,5

It's says that our president just signed a paper in which they can conduct martial law in case of internet attack...bullshit. Also, in addition to this they said that those attacks at polish websites by anonim. were just site errors not attacks. Lastly, youtube, instead of highlighting acta videos try to cover it with shitty videos...meh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGlB36XrbI4&feature=player_embedded


ACTA would establish a new international legal framework that countries can join on a voluntary basis and would create its own governing body outside existing international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.

Nate Anderson with Ars Technica pointed out that ACTA encourages service providers to collect and provide information about suspected infringers by giving them "safe harbor from certain legal threats". Similarly, it provides for criminalization of copyright infringement on a commercial scale, granting law enforcement the powers to perform criminal investigation, arrests and pursue criminal citations or prosecution of suspects who may have infringed on copyright on a commercial scale. It also allows criminal investigations and invasive searches to be performed against individuals for whom there is no probable cause, and in that regard weakens the presumption of innocence and allows what would in the past have been considered unlawful searches.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0
I only learned about ACTA last night. I was seriously broke up after I learned about it. It's way more dangerous to people than SOPA and PIPA ever were. I actually wonder if SOPA and PIPA were only a distraction from the real danger... ACTA. Once ACTA gets signed in more countries, it will be the end of the Internet. The biggest problem is that those who actually signed ACTA may have never used internet, being done by simple representative.

Anyway, if tl;dw that video, under ACTA, you can get arrested for using someone's idea, not necessarily a copyright; this goes without saying that this is worldwide.
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First there was SOPA, then there was PIPA and now this. How much more fucked up can the internet become?
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First there was SOPA, then there was PIPA and now this. How much more fucked up can the internet become?


ACTA has been going on for a while but those who try to ably it where doing it in secret meetings so no word can get out. The fact that they where hiding from the people should tell you all.
I wonder if a normal citizen doesn't have the right to sue the people behind it for such actions. They aren't even the elected official as i heard so why to they have the right to impose anything?

According to ACTA our ISPs will be forced to not just provide internet connection but read storage and surveillance everything we do and tell them if everything they want. Talking about Orwellian nightmare. So basically no privacy what so ever. You are already being treated as a dangerous existence simply because you exist.
Fucked up shit right there and this a global thing not country specific. Even more dangerous than SOPA and PIPA. As someone said i wonder if SOPA and PIPA wasn't just a distraction.




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I head that at 26.01 in Tokio, Japan gover. will also sign this sh.it.

No anime?
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I doubt it. From what I know, Japan already has strict laws regarding pirating of copyrighted material, yet here we are, still getting our weekly dose of anime. The problem will appear the moment the ISP will start to scan that content. Still, regarding this subject, I still wonder how the ISPs are going to scan through whole terabytes of data flowing at once.
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The very first thing I do after my session is to call my ISP and ask if they will obey it. If yes I will just quit their services and look for other one or just hide my downloading somehow-sick...also if they will agree with sth like this without informing me with some changes in agreement(I do have to sign it and I did not agree before when signing one) I will sue them for spreading my internet life to other ppl.


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I think, they will provide them with our site history or sth.
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My brief thoughts. Rather than ban (which is the simplest) producers and the state could diversify its current product range, increase the scope of its availability and adjust prices within reason that people could afford them. The government instead of the restrictions should give some relief, facilities for vendors. Well, but no-martial law because there is no other option, who needs dialogue anyway.
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SOPA is like a insect compared to this monster called ACTA
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You guys do know that the Obama administration already approved the signing of this WITHOUT congressional approval? So even when the law comes into play nothing will ever happen in the United States since congress won't allocate any funds towards making a department that will police this law. Nonetheless just to be safe I'd highly recommend writing to you congressman/woman to make sure they oppose it in the future.
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You guys do know that the Obama administration already approved the signing of this WITHOUT congressional approval? So even when the law comes into play nothing will ever happen in the United States since congress won't allocate any funds towards making a department that will police this law. Nonetheless just to be safe I'd highly recommend writing to you congressman/woman to make sure they oppose it in the future.


Pretty much this however I worry about Europe though because if anything they'll be hit the hardest from such legislation.


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http://www.subiron.pl/stopacta/V_.jpg
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''STOP ACTA, STOP CENZOURSHIP''


In my country they arent aware of what they sign I qess.
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This make me wonder if the NWO is ture.
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jrgcool35 said:
You guys do know that the Obama administration already approved the signing of this WITHOUT congressional approval? ... Nonetheless just to be safe I'd highly recommend writing to you congressman/woman to make sure they oppose it in the future.

Don't have to look far to understand why or how. Look at the dreaded and much despised NDAA bill which passed during this New Year. Clearly there is no care shown, with the addition of tactical passage. I'm confident in saying that calling officials will have little impact due to such. There will be underhanded ways found, used to advance.
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It'd be cool if Obama would just do something about the economy instead of all this bullshit.
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Didn't I hear about ACTA like 5 years ago? Is this the same ACTA?
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Didn't I hear about ACTA like 5 years ago? Is this the same ACTA?
Actually 4 xD
Unfortunately, it is. The agreement faced serious opposition back then, so they continued to devise it in secret. It just recently got out of the water again. (click)
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koleare said:
AbstractCalamity said:
Didn't I hear about ACTA like 5 years ago? Is this the same ACTA?
Actually 4 xD
Unfortunately, it is. The agreement faced serious opposition back then, so they continued to devise it in secret. It just recently got out of the water again. (click)

Man... I wrote a paper on how bad the original bill was for my high school History class! Got an A, too, if memory serves.
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Last night I read the entire bill ACTA. Conclusions that have occurred to me:
- ACTA is about everything and nothing and can be interpreted in different ways,
- Regulation that existed up to now in many countries have more rigorous,

But I worry about paragraphs:
- If you suspect that a company or person producing counterfeit products, you can halt the production, without proof of guilt,
- Internet provider is obliged to provide our data if there is a possibility that we break copyright law.

I also think that if will fall servers such as megaupload or megavideo is created in their place other servers in countries that are not related to law ACTA. I think that the ACTA could be even the opposite effect, like the Law on the Prohibition of the early twentieth century in the USA. Piracy will expand even more.When it comes to Internet censorship, I think that it is difficult to control such a structure that is the Internet.
Let us say also true that many countries, including Poland, is not ready to fight software piracy. In our country, the ruling elites are too parochial to effectively fight something that they have no idea. If a politician says that a DDoS attack not act of hacking it shows his "great knowledge" about computer science and related fields.
If a large part of the network in Poland, the basic password that gives access to the router's is the password "admin", then I doubt the effectiveness of the fight against piracy in my country. Probably a large part governing of the country know the ruling on issues strictly at the level of information is to enable video on youtube, or send an e-meil.

I'm sorry for my english.
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Jan 23, 2012 10:28 AM

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Stop buying movies and anything related, they suck anyway so we may as well let movie theaters become popcorn stands best way to get to a percentage of the people trying to pass this.
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JonyJC said:
Stop buying movies and anything related, they suck anyway so we may as well let movie theaters become popcorn stands best way to get to a percentage of the people trying to pass this.


http://ycombinator.com/rfs9.html <-- A plan to do pretty much exactly that.

For those who don't like clicking links:

Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM

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freedom of internet

R.I.P.

- I guess civil society will lose before economic sharks.
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Hasn't America already signed ACTA some time ago? And you still watch anime and tv series online there, right? ( <- question to american users) Maybe it won't be that devastating. Come on, can the government/internet provider really follow all people moves in the internet? Sounds like science-fiction. Or "1984".
I think that majority of films, tv series and stuff has already moved to the internet. Government should accept that and, if they do (really do) want to stop piracy, provide some solution online instead of blocking access to some websites. For example, sites with high quality films where you pay for watching (but not too much) and money goes to the film's creators. And fighting piracy at the same time. Sounds too utiopia-like... okay, maybe it's not possible at all...
And of course - stop ACTA, long live freedom!
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How do we stop it or are we too late? I'm concerned.
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How do we stop it or are we too late? I'm concerned.

Go downtown and search for a sewer with a red lid on it. Climb down and walk straight ahead, take the next turn right and you'll find a button with a sign above that says "ACTA elimination button". Push the button; problem solved.

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There's nothing you can do really, except spreading the word and uphold the protests.
The Internet is a very bad place, you should never go there.
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It'd be cool if Obama would just do something about the economy instead of all this bullshit.
It'd be cool if Obama was competent in any way, shape, or form.

I guarantee you he wouldn't have threatened to veto SOPA if there wasn't such an active opposition. Just trying to secure votes for reelection.
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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.
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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.


They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.


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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.


They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.

Good old Eminent Domain. It's been around since right around the American Civil War I believe (not a history guy, not even of my own country, so don't quote me on that). They do at least have to offer "fair compensation," though, whatever they'll decide that means.
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Lol. So they want to put half the world in prisons. I hope they got enough space.

They can evict people in small rural towns to make real estate for prisons.

That's like ripping a section off on your country especially if you're going to house a lot of people. The death sentence would be more economic at that scale...
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Forget desember 20, the world is ending now
Jan 23, 2012 8:53 PM

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Well put...but honestly...why does limiting piracy have to compromise freedoms. If you ask me, having my iPod taken away because it has pirated music on it just doesn't seem right...
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Well put...but honestly...why does limiting piracy have to compromise freedoms. If you ask me, having my iPod taken away because it has pirated music on it just doesn't seem right...
I'm pretty sure that's not legal in any way, shape, or form. I'm ignorant, but it seems they're trying to do something they simply can't have the power to.
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ACTA or how to rape the world's economy.

-Rich will get richer
-Poor will get poorer
-Most people that download illegaly mp3/movies/animes won't ever pay for them so it will result in the product being less known which will in the end produce less money on the long term.
-Because of said product not being as much widely known as it was when it was actually possible to get it for free the production studios will have to invest more into publicity which will result in work which less quality which will also result in a drop in the sale.

For country such as Japan where anime/manga is actually a big part of the economy this will be a huge blow and will result in Japan's economy dropping quite a while.

Meanwhile chinese people get beated up behind school, car run on child, rapist rape, murderer kill and many people die of poverty but hey, these event are IRL. Who care about IRL when you have internet.
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http://rt.com/news/acta-internet-censor-treaty-591/

ACTA was ratified by US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand Morroco, Singapore in 2011?

They gonna police everything we do on internet. They gonna take away internet freedom. This is a tragedy
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http://rt.com/news/acta-internet-censor-treaty-591/

ACTA was ratified by US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand Morroco, Singapore in 2011?

They gonna police everything we do on internet. They gonna take away internet freedom. This is a tragedy
This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
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This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
The new world order actually started to be put into motion when the people started revolutions against communism. Many countries, like mine, needed to be quickly absorbed after by NATO, EU and other 'people's' alliances and be put into USA's sphere of influence so they can get more power when needed. It's no joking matter when I say that the Americans do almost everything they want in my country (thus the protests that recently started against the current government) and I'm not happy about that. //true thoughts
Next, the new world order needed a reason to be grown, so they simply blew the twin towers up. Whether they were brought down by the terrorist or imploded using charges, then that is another discussion but whatever happened, it was still a conspicuous event (everything is linked too well together). After the twin towers collapsed, the USA finally had the reason to start waging war, and while the globalization worked at its maximum swallowing whole world markets, they could spread their military presence as well. //unproved conspiracies
In my opinion, the new world order was finally in its last step when USA declared SOPA and PIPA, while working on ACTA in the behind scenes. If you cannot see it, the Internet is the last form of free-speech and it grew far too powerful for those up the ladder and now they're trying to bring it down. It's way too obvious what they're trying to do, so people finally started to get a grasp of the situation. We might face a war in this conditions. //pessimistic thoughts

Note: When I talk about USA, I talk about the corporates, not the people. The people don't have any fault in the matter.

As a fun fact, you won't be able to use 'God help us!' in the near future because it will be copyrighted by the church xD
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koleare said:
DraconisMarch said:
This is outright tyrranical and draconian. Ideas like a new world order suddenly don't seem so farfetched, now, do they?

God help us.
The new world order actually started to be put into motion when the people started revolutions against communism. Many countries, like mine, needed to be quickly absorbed after by NATO, EU and other 'people's' alliances and be put into USA's sphere of influence so they can get more power when needed. It's no joking matter when I say that the Americans do almost everything they want in my country (thus the protests that recently started against the current government) and I'm not happy about that. //true thoughts
Next, the new world order needed a reason to be grown, so they simply blew the twin towers up. Whether they were brought down by the terrorist or imploded using charges, then that is another discussion but whatever happened, it was still a conspicuous event (everything is linked too well together). After the twin towers collapsed, the USA finally had the reason to start waging war, and while the globalization worked at its maximum swallowing whole world markets, they could spread their military presence as well. //unproved conspiracies
In my opinion, the new world order was finally in its last step when USA declared SOPA and PIPA, while working on ACTA in the behind scenes. If you cannot see it, the Internet is the last form of free-speech and it grew far too powerful for those up the ladder and now they're trying to bring it down. It's way too obvious what they're trying to do, so people finally started to get a grasp of the situation. We might face a war in this conditions. //pessimistic thoughts

Note: When I talk about USA, I talk about the corporates, not the people. The people don't have any fault in the matter.

As a fun fact, you won't be able to use 'God help us!' in the near future because it will be copyrighted by the church xD
No, I totally agree. I was just saying there are a ton of ignorant asses out there who just call people who talk about it paranoid and crazy. Now that their rights are being stripped away, it'll be interesting to see what ignorant retards will continue living in their own world.

Sometimes, I wish I was as ignorant as those people, because hearing about this stuff just stresses me out--and there's nothing I can do to fix it. Sometimes, I wish I just didn't know anything and could keep frollicking through life, blissfully unaware. But then I'd be in for one hell of a rude awakening.
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ACTA or how to rape the world's economy.

-Rich will get richer
-Poor will get poorer
-Most people that download illegaly mp3/movies/animes won't ever pay for them so it will result in the product being less known which will in the end produce less money on the long term.
-Because of said product not being as much widely known as it was when it was actually possible to get it for free the production studios will have to invest more into publicity which will result in work which less quality which will also result in a drop in the sale.
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My thoughts exactly. I dont understand one thing. 95 % of WORLDS society is against ACTA, SOPA etx and they still going to be signed.... So this means that really words like democracy, freedom are just bullsh@t. We're going back to Socialism

I think that the present time ( few months, maybe 1 year or 2 from now) will be very important. It will determine what will happen with our freedom. I will say it again Because the statement that all those SOPAs PIPAs ACTAs are created just to destroy piracy is f@cking bullsh@t

What will stop them from using those laws to restrain the whole internet. Politics, companies will control all the materials ( for example they will delete messages that are criticizing them). They will have the power and there will always be person to use it

Its like with dna manipulation. The cause is good ( saving human lives, cure for cancer, to prevent hunger etx) But its also ( very:P) possible that some maniac will rise and use this technology to for example to create a human perfect army etx ( so he will use it for evil- yes i love SF and Fantasy)

Those laws give to much power and restrain the internet

Ok im going to watch few anime when i still can. Few hours till Japan sings ACTA
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I must buy a few external hard drives and download a mass collection of anime. I don't have the money to buy them or the internet speed to download the mass collection that comes to mind.
I plan on watching the videos someone posted about acta but I'm at college right now.
Maybe I can find some blogs or something about it to read for now. If acta got passed the internet wouldn't be the same anymore.
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I must buy a few external hard drives and download a mass collection of anime. I don't have the money to buy them or the internet speed to download the mass collection that comes to mind.
I plan on watching the videos someone posted about acta but I'm at college right now.
Maybe I can find some blogs or something about it to read for now. If acta got passed the internet wouldn't be the same anymore.
Are you talking about Japan or elsewhere? Because it's already passed in a lot of places. Which is terrifying. Apparently it doesn't go into motion until sometime in 2013 however.
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I wasn't really talking about any country in particular. I live in the united states and according to other peoples' comments its already passed here. 2013 is real soon when you think about it. The other things it mentioned in that one video is horrible too. Some people really rely on generic drugs. I take a generic anti depressant but that's not life threatening really but what about the poor people with cancer or certain diseases. I don't really understand the thing about the seeds though.
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Well then, *puts strike cap on* lets do this. I am ready for another blackout protest. I will even start boycotts if I have to anywhere they sell merchandise. I wonder if the search engines, social networks.and.all those who protested against SOPA/PIPA will.protest again...Anonymous is a given, maybe Lulzsec will resurrect even. Oh well, we should rally up as.many communities as we can and get another blackout going, harass congressmen some more, etc as.much as we can.possibly do non-violently. Lets make some history folks.
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should i worry about this?
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should i worry about this?
Of coarse not, its not like you don't use Youtube or anything...
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Romania signed ACTA. I've got nothing to say, no comment. I'm thinking of cutting myself from the Internet, lol.
There are two good things though.
Seems like ACTA won't be put into action in EU if it isn't voted by all EU countries in June. Apparently, Netherlands, Estonia, Cyprus, Slovakia and Germany didn't sign the agreement, so nothing will happen for now (way to go to those countries), at least until June.
The second thing is this (apparently this is was the site of the Romanian National Institute of Physics and Nuclear Engineering - lol, I didn't open anything from there, but seems like garbage) - LE - seems like it's finally down, lol.
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Didnt EU sign this shit?
Hopefully not coming not Norway. But It will most likely considering the norwegian politics sucks.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16757142

make of it what you will.
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Didnt EU sign this shit?
Hopefully not coming not Norway. But It will most likely considering the norwegian politics sucks.
They signed it. It can't be put into motion until the Parliament has given its approval though, which will be in June. It can still be stopped if only one vote is against it in the Parliament. If all countries vote for, we'll enter a new Internet Era ;D
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This is the end of democracy. Democracy is all about free speech and the rule of the people. Yet this ACTA shit is being signed without even bothering to inform the population, much less asking their opinion on this.

Don't talk to me about character development if Kaizuka Inaho or Slaine Troyard are in your favorites.
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