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01-15-12, 6:08 PM

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So i've seen all the leaked stuff that came out today so my excitement for this show is at its peak right now. I just wanted to ask what you guys think so far. Personally i feel like it has the potential to be even better than the first. But i know some people think going on after the show ended is wrong in so many ways, and to those people i say why? Another great show from the brilliant minds of the first with a story relating to parts of the first. Whats not to like? So id just like some input on your guys thoughts. Have at it
 
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01-15-12, 7:26 PM

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totally not anime

it is totally awesome though

Toph was great; can't wait to check out Korra
 
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01-15-12, 8:32 PM

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I've always considered it an anime.
But I am SO excited for it! I am refusing to watch any of the leaks. :|
 
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01-15-12, 8:35 PM

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Well is it Japanese no but it is animation with people who got a lot of inspired from anime. Then cant it be anime?
 
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01-15-12, 8:36 PM

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Yeah but that's like calling Pokemon or DBZ an anime...
 
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Yeah but that's like calling Pokemon or DBZ an anime...

But they are anime.
 
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01-15-12, 8:43 PM

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Three words.

Cannot. Freaking. Wait.

I love the Avatar series and I'm hoping this series will be as good as the original.


 
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01-15-12, 9:07 PM

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IllegalCyrus said:
FilthyDoughBoy said:
Yeah but that's like calling Pokemon or DBZ an anime...

But they are anime.

Lmao yea Pokemon and Dbz are definitely anime.
 
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01-15-12, 9:40 PM

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Kipcha said:
Three words.

Cannot. Freaking. Wait.

I love the Avatar series and I'm hoping this series will be as good as the original.


i agree! ^-^

OP: where did you find the leaks?
 
01-16-12, 12:03 AM

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BoldBrad said:
Well is it Japanese no but it is animation with people who got a lot of inspired from anime. Then cant it be anime?

Yes, some define anime as having a "Japanese style" and some define it as being from Japan. I guess the letter of the law at MyAnimeList is that "anime" here only includes animation from Japan, and that's why there is such a strong response in this forum. But I agree with you that it can be called anime by the first definition.

Anyway, yes, I'm really looking forward to it. I thought they nailed it on the first series.
 
01-16-12, 12:09 AM

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verdstein said:
BoldBrad said:
Well is it Japanese no but it is animation with people who got a lot of inspired from anime. Then cant it be anime?

Yes, some define anime as having a "Japanese style" and some define it as being from Japan. I guess the letter of the law at MyAnimeList is that "anime" here only includes animation from Japan, and that's why there is such a strong response in this forum. But I agree with you that it can be called anime by the first definition.

Anyway, yes, I'm really looking forward to it. I thought they nailed it on the first series.


Having "Japanese style" is not a defining part of being anime.

 
01-16-12, 1:12 AM

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>Having "Japanese style" is not a defining part of being anime.

Some would disagree.

an·i·me
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a Japanese style of motion-picture animation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime

Definition of ANIME
a style of animation originating in Japan
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime

an·i·me (n-m)
n.
A style of animation developed in Japan
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime
 
01-16-12, 2:02 AM

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I can't wait to see it! , to bad it will air (if the information is right) in autumn in my country. That is just too long ...
 
01-16-12, 2:20 AM

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thanks for the heads up. loved the fire training video :)
 
01-16-12, 7:26 AM

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verdstein said:
>Having "Japanese style" is not a defining part of being anime.

Some would disagree.

an·i·me
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a Japanese style of motion-picture animation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime

Definition of ANIME
a style of animation originating in Japan
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime

an·i·me (n-m)
n.
A style of animation developed in Japan
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime


And Avatar doesn't even meet the criteria of the definitions you posted.

Plus "Japanese style" isn't saying there's some magical set of ingredients that make a show anime but rather that Japanese style is created by Japanese folks.

 
01-16-12, 8:21 AM

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This is general discussion. That means topics do not have to be about anime. gg.

But yeah, I will probably watch it if they put it on netflix. I enjoyed the first one quite a bit.
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01-16-12, 10:00 AM

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Anime_Name said:

And Avatar doesn't even meet the criteria of the definitions you posted.

That's a reasonable interpretation. Of course, there are plenty of people (some in this thread) who do think that Avatar meets those criteria, so it is open to debate.

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Plus "Japanese style" isn't saying there's some magical set of ingredients that make a show anime but rather that Japanese style is created by Japanese folks.

These are dictionary definitions, made to be precise. If these three sources meant to define anime as being made in Japan, they would simply have called it "Japanese animation" or "animation made in Japan." Instead, "style" is the foremost defining factor in all three of those definitions. That's not to say that the definition at MAL is wrong - it's just not the single possibility in the universe.

Anyway, peace. What do you think of Avatar as a source of entertainment?

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01-16-12, 10:34 AM

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verdstein said:

That's a reasonable interpretation. Of course, there are plenty of people (some in this thread) who do think that Avatar meets those criteria, so it is open to debate.

It isn't open to debate on this site. Avatar is not an anime according to this site's standards. This is the only thing that matters.
 
01-16-12, 11:11 AM

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Totally can't wait. I wish that some things about were different, though.
 
01-16-12, 1:12 PM

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what leaked stuff?
hate capital letters.
deal with it.
 
01-16-12, 1:40 PM

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A bunch of videos showing korra and katara(now like really old) and some fighting scenes

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/01/15/video-a-new-look-at-avatar-sequel-the-last-airbender-legend-of-korra
 
01-16-12, 1:55 PM

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I think the discussion about Avatar being an anime or not is pretty old..

@Topic: Not a fan of Avatar (just watched a few episodes while they were showing here in Germany) but it does look and sound interesting. I like the locations/settings and I love that the new Avatar is female. I think I'll give it a try.
 
01-16-12, 3:57 PM

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Ya had no idea this was an issue. Ive always considered it an anime and well i always will. Might not meet a dictionary definition and even the site might say its not but to me it is and i guess we could argue this all day till we all dont care anymore.


There is absolutely no point arguing if Avatar is an anime or not. Because it's a common FACT that it is not.


Since when has something being fact ever stopped anyone?

...because evolution totally never happened. eyeroll.jpg

Just gotta learn to live with people like that :P

On topic though; it looks pretty good. Might be the first Nick cartoon I've watched since...avatar lol
 
01-16-12, 4:00 PM

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I don't get how there's people stupid enough to think Avatar is anime or even Japanese to begin with.

Then I remember this is the internet and I underestimate people.

Anyway, I tried to watch the first first awhile back. Was pretty bad. It got cancelled in my country and didn't even finish it's run it was that bad I guess. This new series doesn't look any better.

Nickelodeon trying to make wannabe anime is always a funny thought, though. I think it's a bit flattering anime is that popular in America, don't you think?
 
01-16-12, 4:13 PM

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America really needs to give up these kinds of shows, since they never work. Censorship killed the first series something fierce, to the point you can't kill people on screen in a fighting series? God, imagine if Death Note couldn't kill anyone, or Cowboy Bebop? They should stick to comedy shows like Spongebob which don't require more mature writing than they can get away with on a kid's channel.
 
01-16-12, 4:15 PM

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Armiga21 said:
America really needs to give up these kinds of shows, since they never work. Censorship killed the first series something fierce, to the point you can't kill people on screen in a fighting series? God, imagine if Death Note couldn't kill anyone, or Cowboy Bebop? They should stick to comedy shows like Spongebob which don't require more mature writing than they can get away with on a kid's channel.


While censorship blows, a show can still be good without showing death or gore.
 
01-16-12, 4:21 PM

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Not when it still tries to go to those places and fails miserably. What was that one episode? "I'll end your destiny myself if you hurt him" or "You're in for more than hurt if you face me"? This is the kind of stupid death avoidance people make fun of 4Kids for. Then again, at least 4Kids Luffy still got to punch and beat up people, so 4Kids gets a least some credit there.
 
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Anime is just a shorten version for "animation". >.< I hate it when people make it a huge deal about the category when they themselves haven't studied in that area. The fans made the criteria is more likely.

But BACK TO THE TOPIC: I can't wait. It looks more serious-looking than the original series and i just hope it's promissing. It'll most likely be set up in my DVR once it comes out.
 
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Here in Japan, everything is referred to technically as "anime", however, foreign animation is not a concern here so Japanese fans have never had a reason to differentiate between the two. When people say anime here, we think of Shin-chan, Pocket Monsters, Doraemon, One Piece, Detective Conan, and other Japanese programming. From what I've seen, the word was adopted to specifically mean Japanese animation in the western cultures since there is a need to seperate them. In this case, calling it anime would be disrespectful to both Japan and the Americas anime fanbase I feel.
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01-16-12, 5:35 PM

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Armiga21 said:
Not when it still tries to go to those places and fails miserably. What was that one episode? "I'll end your destiny myself if you hurt him" or "You're in for more than hurt if you face me"? This is the kind of stupid death avoidance people make fun of 4Kids for. Then again, at least 4Kids Luffy still got to punch and beat up people, so 4Kids gets a least some credit there.


But I loved the 4Kids One Piece opening :D
 
01-16-12, 5:39 PM

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I don't get how there's people stupid enough to think Avatar is anime or even Japanese to begin with.

Then I remember this is the internet and I underestimate people.

Anyway, I tried to watch the first first awhile back. Was pretty bad. It got cancelled in my country and didn't even finish it's run it was that bad I guess. This new series doesn't look any better.

Nickelodeon trying to make wannabe anime is always a funny thought, though. I think it's a bit flattering anime is that popular in America, don't you think?



Stupid? Well thx i did forget this was the internet and another human beings opinion that differs from your own automatically makes me stupid. Sorry i underestimated this site and its potential to draw out the worst in people such as yourself. But hey i bet there is a place somewhere in this world for people like you. O wait i forgot......there isn't.

And ya you can have your opinion on avatar that's fine no big deal there but be able to explain your opinion with out jumping to name calling. Your the reason why the internet can suck......so just get over yourself. PLEASE!
 
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BoldBrad said:
Doryuzu said:
I don't get how there's people stupid enough to think Avatar is anime or even Japanese to begin with.

Then I remember this is the internet and I underestimate people.

Anyway, I tried to watch the first first awhile back. Was pretty bad. It got cancelled in my country and didn't even finish it's run it was that bad I guess. This new series doesn't look any better.

Nickelodeon trying to make wannabe anime is always a funny thought, though. I think it's a bit flattering anime is that popular in America, don't you think?



Stupid? Well thx i did forget this was the internet and another human beings opinion that differs from your own automatically makes me stupid. Sorry i underestimated this site and its potential to draw out the worst in people such as yourself. But hey i bet there is a place somewhere in this world for people like you. O wait i forgot......there isn't.

And ya you can have your opinion on avatar that's fine no big deal there but be able to explain your opinion with out jumping to name calling. Your the reason why the internet can suck......so just get over yourself. PLEASE!


Well, people on the internet can be rude at times.

But he's not wrong, its not a matter of opinion, its a fact.
 
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Jrittmayer said:
BoldBrad said:
Doryuzu said:
I don't get how there's people stupid enough to think Avatar is anime or even Japanese to begin with.

Then I remember this is the internet and I underestimate people.

Anyway, I tried to watch the first first awhile back. Was pretty bad. It got cancelled in my country and didn't even finish it's run it was that bad I guess. This new series doesn't look any better.

Nickelodeon trying to make wannabe anime is always a funny thought, though. I think it's a bit flattering anime is that popular in America, don't you think?



Stupid? Well thx i did forget this was the internet and another human beings opinion that differs from your own automatically makes me stupid. Sorry i underestimated this site and its potential to draw out the worst in people such as yourself. But hey i bet there is a place somewhere in this world for people like you. O wait i forgot......there isn't.

And ya you can have your opinion on avatar that's fine no big deal there but be able to explain your opinion with out jumping to name calling. Your the reason why the internet can suck......so just get over yourself. PLEASE!


Well, people on the internet can be rude at times.

But he's not wrong, its not a matter of opinion, its a fact.


Well i can agree that maybe in definition it isnt an anime but then what do you call something so close to it. And to all those people yes dragon ball z and pokemon are animes lol
 
01-16-12, 8:53 PM

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I loved Avatar!!! Although it's not considered anime, it's one of the best "kid" shows I have ever seen. The plot is so epic, and it's HILARIOUS XD They're truly was a perfect blend of seriousness and comedy. Also, the characters were awesome!
I'm excited for The Legend of Korra!!!!!!! WOOT! ^^
 
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BoldBrad said:
Well i can agree that maybe in definition it isnt an anime but then what do you call something so close to it.


I'm not sure I follow. There's noting "so close" about it, it's nothing at all like anime to be perfectly honest.
 
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Well i can agree that maybe in definition it isnt an anime but then what do you call something so close to it.


I'm not sure I follow. There's noting "so close" about it, it's nothing at all like anime to be perfectly honest.



and id have to disagree lol. But as you can tell alot of people do
 
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Anyway, I tried to watch the first first awhile back. Was pretty bad. It got cancelled in my country and didn't even finish it's run it was that bad I guess.
So TV ratings are what determine if said show is good or not?
Welp, I guess Sazae-san is the best anime ever made.
 
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verdstein said:

These are dictionary definitions, made to be precise. If these three sources meant to define anime as being made in Japan, they would simply have called it "Japanese animation" or "animation made in Japan." Instead, "style" is the foremost defining factor in all three of those definitions. That's not to say that the definition at MAL is wrong - it's just not the single possibility in the universe.
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Those three sources do define anime as being made in Japan. Again "Japanese style" in the context of animation is read as both meaning what the country of origin is and how said country handles animation. However definitions get ignored and misread(shifting the focus of words) in order to debate this sort of topic because calling a cartoon "anime inspired" or "anime style" simply isn't cool enough for some people. They need to quibble about wording so they can technically call a cartoon they like, anime.

Even if style is the most important factor, Avatar's style isn't anime or Japanese in any way. The most it did was tell a story from start to finish, which is an accomplishment for Western animation as most shows don't have a story or the ones that do end up getting cancelled before the story is concluded. Other than that the visuals are Chinese ripoffs and everything else is executed solidly within Western animation limitations.

Well i can agree that maybe in definition it isnt an anime but then what do you call something so close to it.

You say it's close or come up with a new name.
Apple cider is just a few steps away from being apple juice but people don't call it apple just because it's close.

 
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Tiago97 said:
So TV ratings are what determine if said show is good or not?
Welp, I guess Sazae-san is the best anime ever made.


Actually it says quite a bit when late-night adult-only 3:AM anime can air all it's episodes but a children's cartoon can not. Must have been really bad ratings. Though I guess the question is why would they bother with fake anime when they have the real stuff? Makes logical sense if you think about it.

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Even if style is the most important factor, Avatar's style isn't anime or Japanese in any way. The most it did was tell a story from start to finish, which is an accomplishment for Western animation as most shows don't have a story or the ones that do end up getting cancelled before the story is concluded. Other than that the visuals are Chinese ripoffs and everything else is executed solidly within Western animation limitations.


Indeed. About the only credit you can give the show is it's one of the rare American shows that managed to finish it's story before cancellation. Pretty rare, but I don't think that's reason enough to really praise it. If you have to preface any praise with "for Western animation" then it really cheapens the whole thing and you have to wonder if it's not just being praised for the sake of novelty. Saying it is like anime is pretty reaching though.. the plotting and characters were very distinctly American at their core, even if they had Asian paint slapped on them. I don't think you can have Sokka acting like a gangster and talk like he's from the modern age with slang and still claim it's following in authentic Asian culture and dialog. They didn't even pronounce the names by their proper Asian pronunciation most of the time. It still had a ways to go.
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Anime_Name said:
Those three sources do define anime as being made in Japan. Again "Japanese style" in the context of animation is read as both meaning what the country of origin is and how said country handles animation.


Mhm. I have seen this form of debate in my family.
"I only got one cookie for desert. I want another."
"You ate two. I watched you do it.
"I ate One."
"No two. See, there were five and now there are three."
"One."
"Are you kidding? Two."
"One."
...
"One"
...
"One"
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"One"
"OK fine, take a cookie."


Before I start handing out the cookies, here's a reminder of the first three dictionary definitions of "anime" that came up on Google.

an·i·me
a Japanese style of motion-picture animation
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime
ANIME
a style of animation originating in Japan
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
an·i·me (n-m)
A style of animation developed in Japan
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime

So, if "Japanese style" implies made only in Japan, then why do we have "Japanese style" buildings, clothing, music, and cuisine being made outside of Japan?

If the writers of those three dictionary definitions believed that anime is intrinsically "made in Japan" then why didn't they write those words? e.g.
CHAMPAGNE. 1. : a white sparkling wine made in the old province of Champagne, France
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champagne

Now, back to my all-night Avatar marathon.
 
01-17-12, 5:33 AM

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Either way, I am looking forward to it. Enjoyed Avatar. not the ending with angs fight. Zukos fight was good though.
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XD This is news to me! I can't wait, I love Avatar.
 
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Darn, I'm not gonna be silent about this. Avatar was a great show for me. Got all episodes, and just recently rewatched the entire thing. Can't wait for the new season!
 
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Darn, I'm not gonna be silent about this. Avatar was a great show for me. Got all episodes, and just recently rewatched the entire thing. Can't wait for the new season!


Ya your telling me. I made this to take about the show and turned into a debate. I think someone kinda got me thinking. I guess the reason i want it to be an anime because calling it a western kids show just sounds wrong on all levels. The show is far better than anything ive seen and beats out alot of the anime out there. So maybe thats where im comming from. But yes i do admit now that it is not an anime (Definition : Japanese made and all that). So could we please just talk about how good season two will be. only word i got for it is AWESOME!!!!!
 
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Technically it would be a new series, not a new season. Since Season 3 book of fire was the last season for the Last Air bender.
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I guess the reason i want it to be an anime because calling it a western kids show just sounds wrong on all levels.


But that's what it is. It follows all the conventions and falls into all the pitfalls of every other Americna kid's action show. It's nothing unique or different compared to Danny Phantom or Teen Titans or any other kid's show out of America.

You can like it all you want, but arguing objective words and meanings for the sake of not having to like an American kid's cartoon is a bit silly. I think the fact Japan doesn't want it, the country of anime, should be the only proof you need, even if you ignore straight definitions.
 
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Interesting article here about American cartoons in Japan. No mention of Avatar though.
http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/various-thoughts-concerning-american-cartoons-in-japan/
 
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Western Kids Show is not neccessarily a negative thing. Batman The Animated Series is a "Western Kids Show," and that series is awesome. But on subject, this is interesting news, and makes me want to bump the original series to a higher priority on my plan to watch list.
 
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So, if "Japanese style" implies made only in Japan, then why do we have "Japanese style" buildings, clothing, music, and cuisine being made outside of Japan?


Because those things have specific ingredients, processes, and orders that when properly implemented recreate those various items. As such Japanese animation does not have a blueprint on how it is made in order for it to be recreated and aslo fully recognized as Japanese animation outside of Japan.


If the writers of those three dictionary definitions believed that anime is intrinsically "made in Japan" then why didn't they write those words? e.g.
CHAMPAGNE. 1. : a white sparkling wine made in the old province of Champagne, France
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champagne


You do know only champagne from Champagne is called champagne(unless it's from a company that was grandfathered in before the law was made), right? Dictionaries leave out the term "made in" because the definition's are clear enough that it can be inferred and that anything close to the defintion but not quite fitting would be called names like "anime-like", "anime inspired", or "anime-ish" without unnecessarily disambiguating the definition.
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mellors said:
Western Kids Show is not neccessarily a negative thing. Batman The Animated Series is a "Western Kids Show," and that series is awesome. But on subject, this is interesting news, and makes me want to bump the original series to a higher priority on my plan to watch list.


Good point very true. And ya its a good series and i would recommend.

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I guess the reason i want it to be an anime because calling it a western kids show just sounds wrong on all levels.


But that's what it is. It follows all the conventions and falls into all the pitfalls of every other Americna kid's action show. It's nothing unique or different compared to Danny Phantom or Teen Titans or any other kid's show out of America.

You can like it all you want, but arguing objective words and meanings for the sake of not having to like an American kid's cartoon is a bit silly. I think the fact Japan doesn't want it, the country of anime, should be the only proof you need, even if you ignore straight definitions.


As for this ya i guess i am silly. My bad lol. I wasnt looking objectively. Happens to all of us. my bad
 
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