| Personally i prefer older anime and manga caus I love nostalgia and I usually hate those cutesy looking teenagers with fluffy personalities. I prefer older animation style to be honest, especially for action and horror anime. |
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| Mainly because of the art. |
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| Because they simply aren't popular. Because the market doesn't like it. Because the current population doesn't like it. Because moe IS popular. This kind of question is like trying to ask why a 1 metre is 1 metre long and not any longer. |
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Zmffkskem said: Because they simply aren't popular. Because the market doesn't like it. Because the current population doesn't like it. Because moe IS popular. This kind of question is like trying to ask why a 1 metre is 1 metre long and not any longer. I only agree on point 3 and 4. While you said they aren't popular, yet people nowadays keep comparing anime nowadays to the old ones like DBZ and Pokemon. I think art is a major factor for people who grow with HD technology in their childhood, so that's probably why some old anime got remastered. Not to mention the availability of old anime in the internet is getting lesser and lesser. Even if you go to bookstore, Doraemon manga which was freaking popular 5-10 years ago would be not as available as it used to be. Also, if you look at the average age of the MAL users, they were born in 1990s so they will see newer anime in the TV and newer manga in the bookstore. |
| Because they have no taste? That's the only explanation I can think of. More often than not, they are getting their manga online, so stock isn't an issue. There's some scanned older titles. I hear this all the time and it really bothers me: art REALLY isn't an issue for older manga--there's some seriously skilled artists and beautiful manga out there, overflowing with style and personality. There's websites and a number of tumblr accounts that showcase it. But without even looking into it, someone will dismiss the possibility of reading something older saying "I won't read it because it's ugly." Then they go on to read the most bland, generic contemporary styled stuff ever.. there's no helping that level of ignorance. Different isn't ugly. |
| I'm only 16, but I grew up with Sailor Moon and I absolutely LOVE the old anime/manga style. But maybe a part of the reason why they aren't as popular anymore is because the story lines are much more cliche to us nowadays than they were back when those series were published. At that time, series like Sailor Moon and DBZ were revolutionary, but since then they have been done over and over again. Despite that, I still love older anime and manga and I just wish they were more widely available! |
| 1. art 2. *usually* old ones are focused on the old topics... 3. ...and they can't reach minds of 20yrs old kids today. |
| Many are turned off by the art and animation. Plus, there are many newer titles so the older ones are overlooked or forgotten. |
| Personally a lot of new art looks really bland and generic. I read that pandora hearts and hate the childish animation. Ugly is better than that cutesy bullcrap they give us todays. Most of todays stories are more generic and cliche than older ones. Im sick of teenagers with love issues fighting unscary pathetic demons. |
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| Because the ideas are old... sure they might be fresh and new at their time but nowadays many mangas/animes are inspired by that very ideas thus making the plot of the "old ones" doesn't stands out... Take Dragon Ball for example... IIRC it was the first shounen which combine action,light hearted comedy, and simple art in JUMP thus the shounen demographic we now knew but in relation to that, it means you can find this kind of story anywhere... so is there really any need to read DB when you can read something which has similar story + better arts? I agree with those who said "New ones" tends to have cliched ideas tho... like I said the newer ones are inspired by the success of the olds... which makes the new mangas pretty much fall in two categories *three if you think moe blobs deserve it's own category* 1. Petty Rip-off 2. Interesting manga with improvised ideas I'll support the latter... altho I couldn't care more about the former Well that aside it's not like I hate reading old mangas...It's just that I don't really fancy reading it.. Maybe it's because I didn't grew up in the era where little kids practicing kamehameha after school or playing tags while sensing each other Ki's that I don't understand it's hype? Edit : What's the definition of older manga(s) anyway..? The one published before 1990s? |
foulJan 15, 2012 5:24 AM
| Pre Astro Boy...? Okay~ Then please ignore my previous post.... never mind about the era where little kids practicing kamehameha after school or playing tags while sensing each other Ki's, I'm wasn't even born yet... even 20 years after it's serialization ended *facepalm* |
| Old school elitists whose opinions go along the lines of, "Oh you like something that was created post-2000? Your opinion is not valid then," put me off of reading older manga that I would otherwise be interested in. I have read older stuff and quite frankly I enjoy them when I do - a few of my favourites are older titles - but yeah, people going the opposite route of never touching anything new and condescension towards other people who do is much worse, in my opinion. |
| you know digimon and sailor moon and kaitou jeanne were all old animes yet the still strive in this world in ways i don't know how. I think its fun rewatch these animes again.Its so fun to go back and see childhood days again :X and the art is another reason i mean like if we still drew like that i don't think it would be considered old. |
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| Majority of the people here are rather young Old(er) manga are (more) difficult to obtain (often I can't even read them online) I'm getting more and more into the "old-school" manga - the "old art" isn't really an issue for me (unlike with anime.. I'm just not the biggest fan of totally outdated animation). I disagree with fool saying "Because the ideas are old... " - often these ideas are timeless; or you've just not been reading the "right" old school manga:) |
Raitei_Dono said: No taste. When I joined this site I had hoped to interact with like minded people instead what I see here are just teens obsessing over which 12 year old is cuter.New anime/manga are exact copies of each other with a few minor changes(hair colour is changed from pink to red:p) Just looking at the recommendations forum makes me sad. I feel ya. |
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BlackSabotage said: Raitei_Dono said: No taste. When I joined this site I had hoped to interact with like minded people instead what I see here are just teens obsessing over which 12 year old is cuter.New anime/manga are exact copies of each other with a few minor changes(hair colour is changed from pink to red:p) Just looking at the recommendations forum makes me sad. I feel ya. NOTHING HAS CHANGED Even the 90s had people who thought all new anime and manga was garbage. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.anime/browse_thread/thread/7a62e5730b48dca3 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.anime/browse_thread/thread/79635125e02959c6/ https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.anime/browse_thread/thread/5143c339f1fd9785/256a129c1f836f8 The 80s probably had them too. Same with the 70s. Nothing changes. Take off the rose-tinted nostalgia goggles. |
| ^ That is a beautiful list you compiled there. |
| Often, a lot of popular stuff either; has an anime too, or has been in publication during the rise of scan sites. |
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| well since I'm a 20 year old anime watcher i can definitely say i don't like the animation pre 2000. this holds true for non anime movies and such as well. i think people around my age probably just don't know good old ones unless their told. |
| I dislike liars <img src="http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg580/Matt_Alvarez/Araragikunlied-2-1-1.png" /> |
| I am kinda sad for some of the comments here. You may think they're not popular, that's prolly because there was no easy internet access like we have now to get any news or discuss about them around the world. But truth is, they WERE popular back then. Had they not popular, there won't be those so-called-legends which lead to several titles inspired from them. Arts suck? Well, it's a matter of taste. I never care about arts so I won't fuss much this matter, tho' I actually find older manga arts are also beautiful (shoujo) and manly (shounen). Nowaday's anime, despite very-well animated, were actually quite simplified for easier drawing purpose. I like them both tho'. But to say the stories are lame.... .... are you kidding me? ಠ_ಠ Btw, for the thread question, I second what sleeplesstown said. :) sleeplesstown said: They've been around for so long that there's no press about them. Some stand the test of time and remain popular for decades, while others are forgotten and become hidden gems. It mostly comes down to random chance and isn't indicative of actual quality. It doesn't help that a lot of older manga can be really hard to find. People in 20 or 30 years aren't going to remember half the stuff that the kids born in the 90s like now. Just about every form of media becomes less popular over time. So it goes. |
| I might have to agree about it being because of the art. Personally I LOVE a manga and anime drawn in old school art. I'll look at it and think "meh, maybe it'll be good" but more than half the time, it ends up having a much better story line and concepts and doesn't drag out with boring fillers that make the series simply too long to stay kept up with. |
| El. Psy. Congroo. |
Enjolras1830 said: i have very different lidea of old to you Yeah, but you have access to those older shows and series. I can find a decently solid amount of anime and manga up to the early 80's, but before that.... virtually none have been translated/scanlated. Even some of the ones that I like from the 80's and 90's I can't watch because they weren't translated (I can't even watch most of Tokyo Pig, for example - and that's from the 90's!). |
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Tsundere-moe said: well since I'm a 20 year old anime watcher i can definitely say i don't like the animation pre 2000. this holds true for non anime movies and such as well. i think people around my age probably just don't know good old ones unless their told. There are plenty available, such as the movie Beautiful Dreamer, the series of Ranma 1/2 (which is HILLARIOUS by the way...), Ronin Warriors, X'amd of Lost Memories :) |
| El. Psy. Congroo. |
| Admittingly between my friends a lot of people i've talked to at cons. Usually only about 5 older animes people ever talk about (or what I consider old) Being, Dragon ball, Sailor moon, Gundam, Cyborg 009, and Lupin the third. It kind of depends on interests though. I've personally been a big person for art, though sometimes story takes over for me. Though both tend to be a bit modern. |
| Availability would be one factor, It's not that easy to find vintage anime/manga anymore. Pretty much the art is a let down to most. |
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| It is hard to find older manga to read online and older anime. I did have some luck on the original Lupin III which is quite old |
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| Majority of the users on here are in their teens and are more fond of current gen shows. It just looks bad and outdated, kind of like how most teens don't listen to older music. |
| I think its probably cause new generation likes newer things. Also the difference in art quality/scan quality and they're harder to find online |
| Am I the only person who thinks most modern art looks like shit compared to the old? Seriously look you cant tell me pandora hearts has better art than Akira or Hokuto no ken. |
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BlackSabotage said: Am I the only person who thinks most modern art looks like shit compared to the old? Seriously look you cant tell me pandora hearts has better art than Akira or Hokuto no ken. Sorry but I think modern looks better. |
JoeLT said: BlackSabotage said: Am I the only person who thinks most modern art looks like shit compared to the old? Seriously look you cant tell me pandora hearts has better art than Akira or Hokuto no ken. Sorry but I think modern looks better. You mean more boring and generic? God passion for the arts is dying. |
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| I do have more problems with old anime than with old manga. I think some of the animations of old anime are just a bit too slow in my taste, and this bothers me when I watch such a series. I have tried Berserk, but I just had to quit after a while. Reading the manga is less of problem, because you can decide your own pace and the arts do not really age as much as the animation. Even though all this, I mostly read new manga... I do not know why, I follow my interests and no old manga seems to pop up. What are real 'old-manga classics' that I should at least try? |
| 'There are no facts, only interpretations' - Nietzsche |
| cause its fucking impossible to find like 90% of the pre 1990 stuff translated, only the really popular well known shows from those times are possible to find, theres a good reason why alot of anime's from the 70's and 80's only have like 20 people putting it on their list |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: cause its fucking impossible to find like 90% of the pre 1990 stuff translated, only the really popular well known shows from those times are possible to find, theres a good reason why alot of anime's from the 70's and 80's only have like 20 people putting it on their list You can find it if your not lazy. |
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| When anything "old" is mentioned it always seems to attract the elitists, and their opinions on how everything made nowadays is trash. Seeing a pompous buffoon touting that their favorites are far more impressive and their tastes are much more refined doesn't help draw in willing viewers/readers of older anime/manga. |
BlackSabotage said: You can find it if your not lazy. How do you find that which does not exist? Enlighten me. A lot of anime go un-translated (in English), even some newer shows. Pafrog said: When anything "old" is mentioned it always seems to attract the elitists, and their opinions on how everything made nowadays is trash. Seeing a pompous buffoon touting that their favorites are far more impressive and their tastes are much more refined doesn't help draw in willing viewers/readers of older anime/manga. It works both ways. There's just as much people (from what I see on this site, more) who refuse to watch "older" shows because of art style/animation. The only difference is that those people can't be labeled as "elitists", but it doesn't make them any better/worse. |
Pafrog said: When anything "old" is mentioned it always seems to attract the elitists, and their opinions on how everything made nowadays is trash. Seeing a pompous buffoon touting that their favorites are far more impressive and their tastes are much more refined doesn't help draw in willing viewers/readers of older anime/manga. It works both ways. There's just as much people (from what I see on this site, more) who refuse to watch "older" shows because of art style/animation. The only difference is that those people can't be called elitists. Sorry, I was only going off of one side of the conflict/argument because a lot of people had already posted about newer viewers disliking anything with an older art style. I fully agree with you though, a lot of people are going to keep missing out on good anime/manga if they keep those sort of opinions, same goes for the elitists. There's been good titles from all generations, but it all depends on personal taste, and that's very hard to change, so it's not worth trying to push an anime/manga onto a person if he/she is adamant about not wanting to watch/read it. |
MissileSoup said: BlackSabotage said: You can find it if your not lazy. How do you find that which does not exist? Enlighten me. A lot of anime go un-translated (in English), even some newer shows. What about the ones that do exist? plenty of good old manga is translated. |
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BlackSabotage said: What about the ones that do exist? plenty of good old manga is translated. That's true. But the person you quoted was specifically referring to those which are not translated. Pafrog said: ... Indeed, there are merits in both. I just don't think singling out the radicals of each side has any meaning, and that seems to always be the direction taken in these discussions. |
| Nah, we will join the 'club' 10 years later, it's inevitable. |
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