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| Ok, so where did this come from? O_O I had no idea that this teaser of an "alternative version" of FSN was going to be released and it really amazed me!!! I mean, it could be a great series, if they had the b*lls to actually make it... |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: Ayaka= Shirou (obvious), Rin (Cos Ayaka came form a mage family and hv a sister,Aika) Sankureido Faan = Kirei (Faan know the Ayaka family for a long time, also affiliated the church) Aika = Sakura (obvious,Ayaka big sister?), Ilya (a loli, probably powerful mage), Arcruid? (her appearance remind me of tat), Kirei (probably the last mage to beaten like F/SN), F/Z Caster (overly obsesses/love Saber) I think different. If look on relations, not characters than Ayaka = Shiro Aika = Illiyasviel Misaya = Rin yes, their characters are very different but look(except of Ayaka, she's more like female ver. of Tsukihime's Shiki) and positions are fitting Agree on the 'female ver. of Shiki' (the glasses :3), but u gonna agree tat Faan is like Kirei, rite? Misaya = Rin? It doesn't shown tat much. |
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GodlyKyon said: Leon-Gun said: -Mika said: Yes, this is basically an OVA teaser of Kinoko Nasu's original Fate script which he was forced to change in order to conform to Japanese Otaku conventions of what a Visual Novel should be. Honestly, if they could have made it at least half as awesome as that OVA teaser, I trhink it had the potential to far surpass what Stay Night currently is, Otaku be damned.I've heard of this before, where Saber was a male at first. Eh, if she was less annoying then it would probaby be better. Wasn't that mostly Studio Deen's fault? From what I heard, the Visual Novels are quite good. It's believable because Studio Deen Produceds A LOT of shitty series. Yes. The VN is a LOT better than the Anime ! ...by far. I would like ufotable to do at least the Heaven Feel's route after F/Z to 'complete' the story (kind of..) =) AidanAK47 said: Shiro is not useless. I mean come on girl give the guy some credit. He's not exactly taking on some nobodies and losing miserably. These are legendary heroes. Not even superman could beat these guys. The fact he can even stand his ground with them deserves merit. I don't think the thing Shiro and Saber had was love. I believe it was more puppy love. Both were inexperienced in the matter. Honestly it's not really that unbelievable that they would be interested in one another. The sword in the stone didn't specify whether the one who pulls it should be a man or a women but in any case it's equally ridiculous to make a child with no experience or background a King. So the fact that's it's a woman doesn't make it less logical. In fact it actually helps justify Arthurs downfall. After all wouldn't people attempt to take down a woman if she proved to be a better king than any man? Might start giving ladies idea's... I get what you mean. Really do. It could be possible. It would make sense put this way. However the story people usually know from Books and stuff is about Male King (probably because it would be weird to have a Female as a 'King' tho... ). The folklore is about a Male... that's probably why he was a Male Character in Fate as well and everything got changed for unknown purpose but the 'Eroge Purpose' was probably there... Not gonna argue if Arthur was Male or Female lol. No way to know. Shirou being useless depends on the moment... In the Fate, he's often taking hit. Yes, his opponent is stronger than him tho but that opponent isn't stronger than Saber. He act like Saber is a normal woman - When she isn't - and that is getting in the way of what he should be doing at this point : Trying to Survive. He's speaking nonsense of saving people and being a super hero by saving people. He is giving more importance to other lives than his. He's not a very useful and powerful character... and then, comes UBW where he gets good and is pretty much the one to get rid of He's might not be useless but he's not the most reliable Master either but, Shirou didn't really understand what was going on around him and had no experience at Magic except training in his Shed at night about repairing stuff so... =/ Nothing that can compare to the Heroine we were introduce to here. Yes, she seems to complain a lot who knows it might be a good character AND a good duo with a Male Saber... ! ;) |
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| @GodlyKyon Yes VN is a lot better but still. Arc Fate which is the first in novel and centers around Saber was made much less "dark" in final script than it's shown in this OVA >Misaya = Rin? It doesn't shown tat much. She is Archer's master and in primary script her character was much more "evil" |
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| I like this version. It gives Fate a more psychological impact. |
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| That was pretty fucking meh. Good thing this is just a prototype and not the actual story... and the shitty subs didn't help. 6/10 |
| I WANT MORE....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DNT KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANYMORE......!! I JUST WANT MORE OF THIS SHHEETTT....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry..... sugar rush... =w= |
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| not going to speak bad about FSN.. FSN is awesome. but, if this is turned out to be whole anime series/movie, it will be awesome too. the story and character seems interesting.. with this "teaser" hope this will have good feedback and got a whole anime series adaptation |
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Leticia said: Ok, so where did this come from? O_O I had no idea that this teaser of an "alternative version" of FSN was going to be released and it really amazed me!!! I mean, it could be a great series, if they had the b*lls to actually make it... It's basically just a rough draft/outline of what Nasu wanted to do. Obviously some things were changed for the better and some things were changed just to appeal to a larger market, which was very successful. Just something you have to do in the business. After T-M made a name for themselves now they can use their popularity as leverage to get people to buy stuff they put out. That's why we got KnK movies almost a decade after the original novel was written. People would have ignored it if T-M didn't already have a reputation, not to mention the funding to make 7 movies wouldn't have been there. And now their next VN is based on an even older Nasu story with Aoko as the main character. Anime studios do this all the time. Just look at shows Gainax has made for example. They'll do some adaptations of stuff that will sell well and then they make something they want to make and don't have to worry about it underselling. I remember reading a translated interview a while ago with Nasu and Takeuchi about Tsukihime, how Nasu really didn't want to do any sex scenes but Takeuchi insisted because that's what sells, so Nasu made him come up with how those scenes would go and just wrote it from there, which is why we have some pretty funny analogies in those scenes sometimes. Apparently Takeuchi insisted there be maids, and when asked what kind he immediately says "TWIN MAIDS" edit: actually I found it: http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/kanwatsukihime/index.html Interesting read, it's like they're an old married couple sometimes. |
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GodlyKyon said: Nah, here I was referring to the VN. The VN is good, but there's a huge difference between the Fate route and the other two "darker" routes. Fate/Prototype is a taste what the "Fate" route original draft was going to be before they changed it to appeal to the market.Leon-Gun said: -Mika said: Yes, this is basically an OVA teaser of Kinoko Nasu's original Fate script which he was forced to change in order to conform to Japanese Otaku conventions of what a Visual Novel should be. Honestly, if they could have made it at least half as awesome as that OVA teaser, I trhink it had the potential to far surpass what Stay Night currently is, Otaku be damned.I've heard of this before, where Saber was a male at first. Eh, if she was less annoying then it would probaby be better. Wasn't that mostly Studio Deen's fault? From what I heard, the Visual Novels are quite good. It's believable because Studio Deen Produceds A LOT of shitty series. And in case people don't get it, the VN is divided in 3: Fate - Saber and Shirou's tale of love (which is what the anime was based on). Unlimited Blade Works - Archer's personal story about the clashing of ideal and reality. Heaven's Feel - everything is revealed and ideals are shattered. A far more personal and in a way, more "selfish" tale of love than Fate route. From what I saw in this teaser, even if it retains the Master/Servant love story, it has a darker feeling which makes it seem closer to the other two routes. I always felt the Fate route was too different to the rest of the game. Most people hate SHirou but that's because all they ever saw was the SHirou of Fate, a more stupid and chavinistic idiot who couldn't even fight for his ideals. Shirou is almost a different person in UBW and Heaven's Feel. |
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| I liked the lack of Shirou in this one, but the male Saber can't even compare to the female one. Thats just bacause I'm a guy, I guess xD |
| Do want it to be animated into a real series, I would definitely watch it. I like Sajyou Ayaka better than Emiya Shirou in terms of personality complex, mainly because her cowardly response to Grail War is far more realistic than Shirou trying to save everyone after only few days knowing about an existence called Grail War. In my opinion, when we are faced with the same predicament as Ayaka (born into a magus family, bound to participate in the Grail War whether she likes it or not), the most natural reaction would be fear of what lies ahead, but what happened with Shirou was the exact opposite. Shirou, who doesn't even have any known assets, ignorantly joined the war without any feelings of fear or the slightest bit of logic at all. |
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wishbook said: 100% AGREED! Moreover Ayaka seemed to give out a better emotional response whereas Shirou was sporadic IMO.I like Sajyou Ayaka better than Emiya Shirou in terms of personality complex, mainly because her cowardly response to Grail War is far more realistic than Shirou trying to save everyone after only few days knowing about an existence called Grail War. In my opinion, when we are faced with the same predicament as Ayaka (born into a magus family, bound to participate in the Grail War whether she likes it or not), the most natural reaction would be fear of what lies ahead, but what happened with Shirou was the exact opposite. Shirou, who doesn't even have any known assets, ignorantly joined the war without any feelings of fear or the slightest bit of logic at all. |
Yumekichi11 said: wishbook said: 100% AGREED! Moreover Ayaka seemed to give out a better emotional response whereas Shirou was sporadic IMO.I like Sajyou Ayaka better than Emiya Shirou in terms of personality complex, mainly because her cowardly response to Grail War is far more realistic than Shirou trying to save everyone after only few days knowing about an existence called Grail War. In my opinion, when we are faced with the same predicament as Ayaka (born into a magus family, bound to participate in the Grail War whether she likes it or not), the most natural reaction would be fear of what lies ahead, but what happened with Shirou was the exact opposite. Shirou, who doesn't even have any known assets, ignorantly joined the war without any feelings of fear or the slightest bit of logic at all. Considering everything Shirou went through as a kid and how he grew up idolizing a man he thought was a hero and wanted to be one ALL OF HIS LIFE and he also didn't want others to go through the things he went through, I think his reaction to the Holy Grail War and why he joined it is believable. But, this is because of the characterization up to that particular point in the visual novel. You never really get a feel for him in the anime. Ever. I can't comment on Ayaka, though. As I refuse to watch this until UTW translates it. |
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insan3soldiern said: Some people may think of Shirou's life experiences and way of thinking as abnormal to begin with. Yumekichi11 said: wishbook said: 100% AGREED! Moreover Ayaka seemed to give out a better emotional response whereas Shirou was sporadic IMO.I like Sajyou Ayaka better than Emiya Shirou in terms of personality complex, mainly because her cowardly response to Grail War is far more realistic than Shirou trying to save everyone after only few days knowing about an existence called Grail War. In my opinion, when we are faced with the same predicament as Ayaka (born into a magus family, bound to participate in the Grail War whether she likes it or not), the most natural reaction would be fear of what lies ahead, but what happened with Shirou was the exact opposite. Shirou, who doesn't even have any known assets, ignorantly joined the war without any feelings of fear or the slightest bit of logic at all. Considering everything Shirou went through as a kid and how he grew up idolizing a man he thought was a hero and wanted to be one ALL OF HIS LIFE and he also didn't want others to go through the things he went through, I think his reaction to the Holy Grail War and why he joined it is believable. But, this is because of the characterization up to that particular point in the visual novel. You never really get a feel for him in the anime. Ever. I can't comment on Ayaka, though. As I refuse to watch this until UTW translates it. May I also add, for the people who are still hung on Shirou's "people die" line, it isn't just Shirou's exclusive line. I think the movie skipped it but Rin says it in the UBW route too (when she goes on an outburst because Shirou doesn't care at all about his life). |
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| I don't understand why they would put this much effort in a 12-minute OVA and not do anything else with it? I really hope they decide to pick up on this after Fate/Zero... this looks absolutely badass. |
| Saber is better as a female. And I'd prefer a Heaven's Feel route over this. |
| This one more male...i need harem..demn |
| Personally I think Fate prototype has potential to be a great anime series or at least a 3 or 4 ovas. As like many have said already, I think this was just a teaser to see if the fans like it or not before they make an anime on it. Otherwise, I think it was just a waste of money to spend on this 12 minute special if they are not going to expand it |
| The story would be way different then FNS. For example, Gilgamesh, while still Archer, is not an actual enemy. He's more neutral and is Saber's rival. He would even help them defeat Berserker. He wouldn't have the annoying superriority complex, and wouldn't use the word "mongrels" in each sentence. Plus, he's much more badass, fighting with swords himself. Also, I think his armor is more fitting for Gilgamesh then a full body armor. Think about it, back then, everyone is thought to wear togas, and nobody wore full body anything. |
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| Would definitely watch this if it became a real series. |
| For a moment it really looked like a trailer, i would definitely watch a series of this. archer being an actual archer... that's cool. |
DmonHiro said: I certainly doubt a Gilgamesh without a superiority complex can exist (he's always been depicted as a tyrant who even thought himself better than the gods) but his armor in FSN is indeed anachronistic and out of place for his era.The story would be way different then FNS. For example, Gilgamesh, while still Archer, is not an actual enemy. He's more neutral and is Saber's rival. He would even help them defeat Berserker. He wouldn't have the annoying superriority complex, and wouldn't use the word "mongrels" in each sentence. Plus, he's much more badass, fighting with swords himself. Also, I think his armor is more fitting for Gilgamesh then a full body armor. Think about it, back then, everyone is thought to wear togas, and nobody wore full body anything. |
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| I didn't mean he would have it at all. I mean it wouldn't be as bad. There's no way Gilgamesh, the king of the world, wouldn't be a little arrogant. But to keep that up 24/7 was a little annoying. PS: I Goddamn want that goddamn music. Where do I get it? |
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DmonHiro said: The story would be way different then FNS. For example, Gilgamesh, while still Archer, is not an actual enemy. He's more neutral and is Saber's rival. He would even help them defeat Berserker. He wouldn't have the annoying superriority complex, and wouldn't use the word "mongrels" in each sentence. Plus, he's much more badass, fighting with swords himself. Also, I think his armor is more fitting for Gilgamesh then a full body armor. Think about it, back then, everyone is thought to wear togas, and nobody wore full body anything. In Nasuverse, Uruk was a technologically superior civilzation. So yeah, he'd wear full plating. If not for anything but to show off his status as king. That's the only thing that hasn't really changed, Uruk was somehow a superpower that had a monopoly on artifacts. Also, I like how his two swords function as his bow. That was incredibly awesome. Never saw that coming, and it was pretty epic. But who was berserker? |
nedstark1990 said: I really want a real series of this ME TOO it looked really good. much better then FSN |
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| There was some GREAT stuff in there. Would love to see a couple OVAs or even a series. Although the prototype Emiya is.. eww XD. Though her magic was kewl. :> |
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| *sigh* It's more of a prototype RIn than a proto Emiya. Emiya Shirou, as he was in the visual novel was created more or less from scratch. The Visual Novel went through many edits to end up as it did. From what I can tell the Ayaka/Arthur relation was more of a protected/protector than Shirou and Arturia's. |
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| This really deserves a series of its own. It's very magnificent and much darker. |
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| Oh wow, why couldn't FSN be this good? Keeping Arthuria ( > Arthur) but replacing Shiro with this girl they could have eliminated half the problems the FSN anime had. Now I want a FSN remake. A proper version of it, like this and Fate/Zerp. |
| I would totally watch this, and I'd probably prefer it to a remake of FSN just because FSN I've already seen. I do think though that FSN is an improvement on this prototype. I always thought making King Arthur a female was actually brilliant, and unlike most people I enjoyed Emiya. Sure, he was a sexist dick, but I sort of thought it made him more interesting. Like, if you have to pick a character fault, would you prefer the more generic social anxiety or cowardice that we usually get? Anyways, the prototype's still awesome and I want to see it now. |
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Seabury said: He was actually not as much of a feminist dick in UBW or Heaven's Feel. In fact, he was very proactive in the war in Heaven's Feel and allowed Saber a lot more freedom.I would totally watch this, and I'd probably prefer it to a remake of FSN just because FSN I've already seen. I do think though that FSN is an improvement on this prototype. I always thought making King Arthur a female was actually brilliant, and unlike most people I enjoyed Emiya. Sure, he was a sexist dick, but I sort of thought it made him more interesting. Like, if you have to pick a character fault, would you prefer the more generic social anxiety or cowardice that we usually get? Anyways, the prototype's still awesome and I want to see it now. |
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| I was a bit disappointed, but the fact for me was that FSN was where all the polishing of the story's coolest points were. |
| Wow. I admit I really wish this became a tv show or VN. Seems like Gil (if that's him) is way less overpowered, Excalibur is actually scary even to him, Saber is male (whole Arturia thing annoyed me to no end) and even protagonist girl seems to be quite interesting. Pitty it will 99.9% never be made into anything else except this. Real pitty. |
Yumekichi11 said: LOL?!?!?!?Therefore 10/10. *Falls out of chair laughing* Nice MALgraph. My anime rating distribution 10 - █████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 120 (12%) 09 - ██████████████████████████████ - 415 (42%) 08 - ████████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 216 (22%) 07 - ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 044 *(4%) 06 - ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 033 *(3%) 05 - ████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 098 (10%) 04 - ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 028 *(3%) 03 - ██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 025 *(3%) 02 - █░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 011 *(1%) 01 - █░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 003 *(0%) rated anime: 993; mean score: 7.93 (generated with MALgraph on Jan 13th, 2012) |
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| Watched it with the horrible fast-subs. Male Saber does look really promising. Though the OVA seemed way more darker than fate stay night. Maybe its actually good that they altered many things else who knows what more dark stuff the series if at all ever made would contain >.< . And no offense to anyone when I say this cause it was for me a bit disturbing to watch. But then again it would be delightful to see a male saber in an alternative fate universe. |
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| the subs were so horrible it w as rather unwatchable. seems like this would be more for female viewers. it wasn't bad, seemed to have potential but who knows if it would go anywhere. |
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DraconisMarch said: Yeah so I was very impressed. That's all. Yeah my score are like that. However few are in the 10s.Yumekichi11 said: LOL?!?!?!?Therefore 10/10. *Falls out of chair laughing* Nice MALgraph. My anime rating distribution 10 - █████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 120 (12%) 09 - ██████████████████████████████ - 415 (42%) 08 - ████████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 216 (22%) 07 - ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 044 *(4%) 06 - ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 033 *(3%) 05 - ████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 098 (10%) 04 - ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 028 *(3%) 03 - ██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 025 *(3%) 02 - █░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 011 *(1%) 01 - █░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ - 003 *(0%) rated anime: 993; mean score: 7.93 (generated with MALgraph on Jan 13th, 2012) |
| *jumps up and down with hand raised* Ooh, ooh, male Saber! Pick me! Be my servant! I'm a meganekko too! Seriously though, it'd be nice to see how this would've turned out. Hey, male Saber can actually say Excalibur pretty well. The 'ex' part actually sounded like it should and not 'ekusu'. |
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