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Quinn kind of sucks. She has 525 range and no steroid. Her passive targets randomly and q is kind of weird. I suppose her E is supposed to be sort of an escape/gap closer but its terrible, unless you change into valor. Valor form is okay, but since you're an ad carry, you can't just go into melee range. And the damage when transforming out of valor form sucks.

Pretty much trash but incredibly underrated. Her laning is pretty good and her dueling/split pushing potential is actually damn good. She just has a realllyyy bad "gap closer/escape" minus her ultimate which has its obvious issues. Her damage is pretty underwhelming and she pretty much just gets wrecked in team fights. I can't think of a good reason to pick her as an ad carry since she is lackluster in that in pretty much all ways.

As a top laner, I see some potential if she is played like teemo where you just are annoying and take turrets like a man. Her W lets her see ganks and her ultimate is pretty much the ultimate get out of jail free card. She can also split push and not worry too much about her team getting caught since her ult lets her get to a fight near instantly no matter where she is.

Zac and Karma discussion onward.

Zac is ok. Karma seems OP - so much mana efficient poke

I find Zac is a decent replacement for Amumu, now that he's been nerfed. He is fairly tanky and has several forms of CC. Karma on the hand seems strong, good thing there are not many good Karma players out there as of now

Karma feels entirely different. Since you can only use her ult once on a set cooldown, it is much harder to wave clear in mid lane. Old karma could bait so well, but I feel like now she has more damage rather than utility.

I think it's the other way round. She now has more utility than damage, since when built with pure AP items she simply doesn't output nearly as much damage as other similar champions (Lux or Morgana).

Anyway my thoughts on Karma now is that she's a subpar mid, decent top and finally a good support. What I like about support Karma is her ability to zone out the opponents, set-up kills and peel for her carry if there's a gank. Similar to Lulu. With 38% cooldown reduction I manage to get the Mantra cooldown down to 27secs, allowing me to use it twice in some teamfights. It's also nice having a Shurelya's and Locket without having to actually buy the items.

That damn Zac passive is annoying when playing against him.

Tips: Ban Zac - since retarded ADC don't know how to run when Zac is channeling his jump

I only played againsed zac once before but the person using him was not very experienced with him so i didnt see him at his full potential. But i would love to see how Karma plays out, i may even get her.

I watched onebadbrad's stream and Karma has fuckin crazy burst.

tbh i think zac is only good if you know how to play him whenever i have seen team mates use zac they have done horribly.I really like karma, i just started using her since it is free week and i am going to buy her!

Karma is even worse after the rework. All they did is make her more annoying to play as and against.

Zac is OP. When he ults, you can't even see anything because your screen is covered with his green thingie.

Lissandra ,Sejuani and Trundle discussions onward.

Sejuani is in a much better spot now, being able to jungle with around 50 armour from level one really helps. Her kit is mostly the same, meaning that she retains one of the best initiates/counter-initiates in the game, just that she has a stronger early game in terms of resilience and early ganks. Before her early ganks provided 30% slow & semi-consistent damage, but now it's; knock-up, 50% slow & consistent damage.

Well I'm going to try more matches as Sejuani and my friend with Lissandra, to see whether there are any counters to that CC, insta-kill, combo.

Trundle Ult is now OP because it deals %maximum health instead of a flat amount. So now you can't build health as counterplay anymore.

Lissandra works well as a tanky jungler but anywhere she goes she has mana problems.

My friend who plays Lissandra says he has no mana problems with her. Heck, in twisted treeline he can start with a Chain Vest and Health pots and do just fine.

As for Trundles Ult. I played against one earlier, as Sejuani and it counters me HARD. Now I'm actually scare of the troll more then other junglers like Hecarim, Lee Sin & Volibear