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02-28-12, 2:09 PM

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Alice the Intention is the white rabbit... right? Or did I misunderstand?
Same ! That'd be so cute with them being all like... "I didn't say that... [she did].."
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02-28-12, 2:28 PM

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cielleia said:
Alice the Intention is the white rabbit... right? Or did I misunderstand?
Same ! That'd be so cute with them being all like... "I didn't say that... [she did].."

Yes, she is. What I meant was like it'd be fun (more weird, actually) if there were a B-Rabbit in white version. 8D

Awwn, it'd be so cute. <33 But Jack once said she'd usually get lost in the conversation, I guess there was a time when Alice couldn't just control her body anymore, like deciding when she wanted to switch places with her sister or not.
 
02-28-12, 2:53 PM

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Liinah said:
Yes, she is. What I meant was like it'd be fun (more weird, actually) if there were a B-Rabbit in white version. 8D

Awwn, it'd be so cute. <33 But Jack once said she'd usually get lost in the conversation, I guess there was a time when Alice couldn't just control her body anymore, like deciding when she wanted to switch places with her sister or not.

I bet one does exist !

Well it could do with timing. I don't think they switched places at the same time all the time.
Like when Oswald asked so it's you today?
Also, they probably talked about different things since their personalties are completely different and thus the thread was lost unless the other understoood the topic or could follow up with it(?).
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03-01-12, 5:36 AM

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Guys.. How do you understand the whole situation now?

B-rabbit was Lacie's chain, before he belonged to Alice, right? That episode with "blood red rain", when Lacie killed those people, and there were chains (metallic) like chains that B-rabbit uses, and also there were shadow behind Lacie, reminding the silhouette of rabbit.

Then it came to Alice.

Then
1) Jack killed Alice, took B-rabbit, used his chain (I'd like to know about it more and to see it) to divide B-rabbit into the two parts. He took the first part, Oz, and made a contract.

or

2) Jack used his chain to divide B-rabbit into the two parts. He took the first part, Oz, made a contract and only then killed Alice (maybe using Oz)

After that..

If there hadn't been B-rabbit before Alice had died we could have said "She turned into the chain!", BUT we know, that there were this chain BEFORE Alice had died.

So the second part of B-rabbit... Did it unite somehow with dead Alice (or Alice somehow united with this half of chain), so we get Alice that we know "now" ? Or it just looks like Alice and has some of her memories?
 
03-01-12, 10:15 AM

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Well maybe Oz went with Alice back to the surface world after Lacie died to be her friend ?
Oh I don't know anymore..
I'm not even sure what is called ''Alice'' IS the real Alice.
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03-01-12, 1:11 PM

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cielleia said:
Well maybe Oz went with Alice back to the surface world after Lacie died to be her friend ?


Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her.
 
03-01-12, 1:18 PM

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Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her.

Break also said the Abyss now looks like broken toy box to some people(after the Tragedy).
I like that theory fits with their innocence. <3
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03-02-12, 1:07 AM

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Sow said:

Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her.


I like this supposition.

But there is still open question: why the second part of B-rabbit looks like Alice? Does it just looks like she or it is really Alice who somehow united with the chain? Hope Jun-sama will explain this.
 
03-02-12, 11:04 AM

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Miss_Tangerine said:
Sow said:

Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her.


I like this supposition.

But there is still open question: why the second part of B-rabbit looks like Alice? Does it just looks like she or it is really Alice who somehow united with the chain? Hope Jun-sama will explain this.


Hmm~ I think that Oz's actual body (B-Rabbit) was given to alice, since the one he's using is apparently not his.
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03-03-12, 12:06 AM

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cielleia said:

I'm not even sure what is called ''Alice'' IS the real Alice.


I came to idea..

Let's suppose that one part of B-rabbit just looks like Alice.

So, what's happened to real Alice 100 years ago? She was killed.. but did she die? Remember the very first chapters. The first time when Oz found watches. The girl, who throttled him, has DARK hair. And B-rabbit-Alice then didn't remember that event, it wasn't she, who throttled Oz.. and we thought that it was Alyss.. But why her hair was dark? Alyss has light hair and she hadn't reasons to make her hair look like hair of Alice.. Maybe Alice is in the Abyss too? Right now.
 
03-06-12, 5:50 AM

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I began re-reading and just finished ch5. That phrase of Break! He said that Oz has 3 ways. 1) He will fall to he Abyss 2) he will search for the memories and find a way how to save himslef and 3) ! "When you find out what is your fault, I.." Sounds like he knows what's his fault. And now we know that his fault is that he is B-rabbit, so.. Break knew it from the very beginning?
Well, he was surprised when they found out that Jack's words were lie, so he can't know the whole story, but maybe he knows more than we think.
 
03-06-12, 7:05 AM

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Miss_Tangerine said:
I began re-reading and just finished ch5. That phrase of Break! He said that Oz has 3 ways. 1) He will fall to he Abyss 2) he will search for the memories and find a way how to save himslef and 3) ! "When you find out what is your fault, I.." Sounds like he knows what's his fault. And now we know that his fault is that he is B-rabbit, so.. Break knew it from the very beginning?
Well, he was surprised when they found out that Jack's words were lie, so he can't know the whole story, but maybe he knows more than we think.


I think so..or emily just told him
 
03-06-12, 7:13 AM

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TheLandofMyYouth[s said:
or emily just told him



Emily might be "dark horse".. Maybe she is universal evil in disguise!
And let's always remember uncle Oscar.. He is so "pure" character.. He might be psycho. :3
 
03-06-12, 7:43 AM

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Oh yeah I can defintely see Oscar going psycho LOL.
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03-06-12, 7:52 AM

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I think so: Break looks more freaky, but actually he's normal (yes, he killed many people in the past, but he's not psycho). Vinsent looks more normal, than Break. We can see his mad side mostly when he's alone.. And most of the society see in Vincent a charming smiling young man. Though he looks more normal, he's more psychotic than Break.. So the more crazy the person looks the more normal it is.. and back to front. So look at uncle Oscar.. He looks absolutely normal! He's positive man, Gil finds him ideal parent.. such a good kind uncle. But following this logic he must be the maddest psycho!
 
03-06-12, 8:19 AM

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That doesn't fit. Oz seems normal and he isn't psycho. (At least Oz not whatever he did)
 
03-06-12, 8:25 AM

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TheLandofMyYouth said:
That doesn't fit. Oz seems normal and he isn't psycho. (At least Oz not whatever he did)

Oz seems normal... when he's not being his true self B-Rabbit, who is a well known killer. Derp. o Uo
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03-06-12, 8:31 AM

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Well.. he's not a psycho, but he is b-rabbit. Maybe uncle Oscar isn't psycho, but he might be not so usual man, I mean this.
Ada also looks like pretty girl "with flowers instead of brain" (as Alice said) but remember that chapter when poors Vince said that he wanted to know her more.. That face.. i'll always remember it. xD What a surprise it was, when she showed her secret interests.)
 
03-06-12, 8:35 AM

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Miss_Tangerine said:
Well.. he's not a psycho, but he is b-rabbit. Maybe uncle Oscar isn't psycho, but he might be not so usual man, I mean this.
Ada also looks like pretty girl "with flowers instead of brain" (as Alice said) but remember that chapter when poors Vince said that he wanted to know her more.. That face.. i'll always remember it. xD What a surprise it was, when she showed her secret interests.)


I loved that "I could never hate you!" (lying).... 'ohmygod she went on for 5 hours..'
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03-06-12, 9:11 AM

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Miss_Tangerine said:

Remember the very first chapters. The first time when Oz found watches. The girl, who throttled him, has DARK hair. And B-rabbit-Alice then didn't remember that event, it wasn't she, who throttled Oz.. and we thought that it was Alyss.. But why her hair was dark? Alyss has light hair and she hadn't reasons to make her hair look like hair of Alice.. Maybe Alice is in the Abyss too? Right now.

It can be Alyss. She shares a body with human Alice and Alice has brown hair. It just could be that Alyss was possessing her body that time.

So, I have a little theory (?) about Oz's personality. Is based on some thoughts I had after watching the anime Fractale. I'll tell you some things about it, but since it's a major spoiler for the anime, if you're planning to watch then please don't read. ;; It's an amazing anime, I totally recommend it

Basing myself on that, I started thinking about Oz.
  • Oz is scared of being left alone because of his father: B-Rabbit (or the stuffed B-Rabbit Oz) had only two friends. Lacie and Alice. We still don't know if he could talk to Lacie or if only Alice was his "friend". I believe she forgot or left him alone once she got Cheshire and when Jack started visiting her again. She had friends, she had others who would protect her, she didn't need Oz anymore. This could be one of the reasons for Oz killing her in the tragedy, she was the one who betrayed him. Oz is scared 'cause his dad is the only person related by blood to him, so he doesn't want to be left by him. Even when Oz was kidnapped, he didn't care, 'cause he knew that the servant only saw him as a master, nothing else. Since he resembles Jack so much, he probably has the "sixth sense" about liars. B-Rabbit was betrayed once, so he turned out to be something adaptable to situations, therefore he wouldn't care whether someone lied to him again or not.
    However, Alice helps Oz too. She says "When you're feeling down, I will bite your cheeks again!" (which was her way to cheer him up). It's almost like she's saying: "You were there for me once, now I'm here for you".
  • Oz likes exploring: Alice was always (or almost all the time) in the tower, alone. She couldn't see anything beside the forest she could see from her window. Oz probably felt that and that's why he's now curious and like to know things. He wanted to do what Alice couldn't, so he could show and teach her. Is actually quite cute how he teaches her things now, like how she can't eat roses (the ones Echo once took to Oz). XD

    Now, I don't think the one Alice refers to when she says "Wouldn't you always come here?" right in the manga/anime beggining is Oz. I mean, he's just a toy. How would he come and go? Unless he couldn't stay out of the abyss and used the toy as a vessel.
    Yet I still think she is referring herself to Jack.

    I wonder how the manga will end. Maybe Oz will merge with B-Rabbit and become a chain again and then make a new contract with Alice. Maybe chains making contract together can let them stay in the real world, idk.
    And random thing, this picture shows Stuffed B-Rabbit. Or at least I suppose it is.

    I wanted to comment this for so long, but MAL stopped working here for 3 days. ;A;;;
 
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