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12-22-11, 11:32 PM

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I certainly wasn't expecting it to end like that.
I'm content with how everything turned out, except for there not being a canon KanbaxHimari ending.
/biased pairing fan.

I didn't cry or feel it was as emotive as others are making it to be, though....
Second best anime of 2011, imo.

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12-22-11, 11:36 PM

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I loved it. One of the best anime of 2011.

10/10
 
12-23-11, 12:13 AM

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I knew i wouldnt like the ending.

I just hated the brother resurection + everyone else not remembering just for the sake of not being a sad ending , i really hated that.

I guess it could be worse...
 
12-23-11, 12:20 AM

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The ending was very satisfactory, especially for an anime. It was a very happy ending with a heavy price. I felt it compared to Madoka Magica's ending, except not as cruel and bittersweet.

As for the series, I don't doubt it was outstanding. I know it was outstanding. Though I'm gonna have a hard time recommending this to people because I'll have trouble explaining/selling them on it. I don't totally understand it myself. But I will enjoy learning more in future viewing hopefully. A beautiful masterpiece.

 
12-23-11, 12:27 AM

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Dont get why people liked the ending so much here , lot of unexplained shit.

why were kanba and shouma in those boxes? what were the true intentions of shouma father? (is he even his father?)

What about the apple that himari got from shouma? how did ringo/double h knew about the phrase of the spell?


meh the more if think of it the more i dislike it.
 
12-23-11, 12:45 AM

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why were kanba and shouma in those boxes? what were the true intentions of shouma father? (is he even his father?)


Shouma's father wanted to change society into something more fair so everyone could be equally happy. Those intentions were good, the problem were his methods.

As for the boxes, they represent humans' inherent selfishness, which might prevent us from reaching out to others and create inter-personal relationships.

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What about the apple that himari got from shouma? how did ringo/double h knew about the phrase of the spell?


The apple is just symbolic of reaching out to others. It represent the connection/bond between people.

The phrase of the spell are just word that are important to the one you cast the spell for. Double H's words were important to Himari, so that's why Ringo used those words as the spell. The spell just represent the will to sacrifice for someone else out of love, so the words don't really matter much.

Anyway, almost everything in penguidrum is symbolic or metaphorical, so it makes more sense if you don't try to take it too much as face value.
 
12-23-11, 12:47 AM

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Sadly lots of shit to assume for your answers.
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why were kanba and shouma in those boxes?
Due to the Goddess punishment. It was so heavy the boxes may show the uterus of the mother and them suffering in it. Perhaps it even alludes to them possible dying till the apple was given to them. I have no idea as to why they were shown at that age in those boxes.
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what were the true intentions of shouma father? (is he even his father?)
He is their real father from the eyes and other factors. Moreover his intentions were to change the world because he was sick of the child broiler.
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What about the apple that himari got from shouma?
Shouma had it due Kanba sharing one with him. Perhaps Kanba was about to share it with someone else till Shouma stole it to give to Himari.
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how did ringo/double h knew about the phrase of the spell?
Simply put due to them being all the time with Himari but most of all with Momoka minus Ringo. Perhaps H2 were around that time but more than anything they knew because of their connections of feelings that both the diary and many themes rely on a lot in this series.

BTW I edited to my final version of this series's post. Perhaps it might help understand some stuff. Correlated what I know into multi sections.

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12-23-11, 1:35 AM

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Vanisher said:
Dont get why people liked the ending so much here , lot of unexplained shit.

Something called opinion.
 
12-23-11, 1:40 AM

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The phrase of the spell are just word that are important to the one you cast the spell for. Double H's words were important to Himari, so that's why Ringo used those words as the spell. The spell just represent the will to sacrifice for someone else out of love, so the words don't really matter much.



Yeah but how did ringo knew the important words for someone is the spell? and then that means momoka knew something important of everyone she tried to save in the train? (maybe each one important word is written in the diary) or something important for satoneshi to make him banish.

in this ep kanba said that the apple is given to those who are going to die for their loves , this applies to kanba and shouma in this episode , but not for the apple shouma gave to himari.
 
12-23-11, 1:59 AM

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ahhh so amazing ;////;
can't stop crying > o <
really liked the part at the end where shoma and kanba were there again as kids ;////;
way too cute... way too sad...
MAWARU PENGUINDRUM YOU'LL ALWAYS STAY IN OUR HEARTS!!!
 
12-23-11, 2:00 AM

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good show 8/10.
 
12-23-11, 2:03 AM

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Vanisher said:

Yeah but how did ringo knew the important words for someone is the spell?


It's not that she knew. She wanted to save himari, to change her fate, so she chose those words, she bet on them (she said so herself).

I suppose you could say it was never about "knowing", but rather about believing. Ringo believed those words would work, and that's why they did.

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in this ep kanba said that the apple is given to those who are going to die for their loves , this applies to kanba and shouma in this episode , but not for the apple shouma gave to himari.


The apple is a lot of things. What Kanba says is a reference to Miyazawa Kenji's novel, but Miyazawa used the apple motif in many ways: to represent love, bonds between people, the universe itself, etc. But in the end, if you think about it, all these things are closely related.

The apple Shouma gave to Himari was a symbol of Shouma reaching out to her, saving her, and giving purpose to her life. It represents their ties as family, etc.
 
12-23-11, 2:08 AM

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Marathon this since morning, feeling dizzy right now.
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12-23-11, 2:17 AM

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this whole episode is the most WTF I have ever seen for this show

at the same time it breaking my heart DAMN YOU IKUHARA!

kanba turn into glass shard, shouma engulfs in that fire NOOOOOOOO my favourite character!, himari ressurected & naked AGAIN, sanetoshi still alive, himari & ringo become friends, that half apple, kanba & shouma letter to himari, shouma's I LOVE YOU to ringo, the children in ep 1 is the takakuras twin & the penguins followed them, himari has her own family adsdsdaffcgcvhg.............

so penguindrum is in shouma's heart after all..
eventhough there is certain unexplained stuff but it doesn't matter that ending is FABULOUS MAX~

7/10
 
12-23-11, 2:34 AM

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I think that Kanba & Shouma became children again since they decided to not share the fruit,I an alternating world or so called transfer of destiny in this world plus Shouma saved Ringo & Kanba saves Himari also so they are in their original forms but with memories jumbled & little Kanba & Shouma were being followed by Penguin of Himari & Masako's penguins because I think they are waiting for Kanba & Shouma to return to them.

Well this is what I can understand because what happened was really complex.

I am gonna really miss this now because it has been so great & what an amazing end,I was really teary.
 
12-23-11, 2:39 AM

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Damn, I love this show so much. Easily the show of the year for me. It makes my all time top 10 for sure.

That ending was just perfect. I could probably write an essay on why I love this show so much but for now I'm having difficulty doing anything but gushing.
As a shipfag, that Shouma/Ringo scene was amazing and heartbreaking. This sort of stuff is like my crack.

10/10

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12-23-11, 2:59 AM

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As always, when people don't understand it means it's awesome.

I personally don't get it. Or well, I get the overall story, I get the meaning and the symbolism.
What I don't get is where is the key that makes the overall plot "good". I get that the author thinks that "meaning" >>>>>>> narration but that's not what I like. Gosh, this is starting to reming me about Evangelion.

I will rewatch it. For now it's a "I don't know"/10
 
12-23-11, 3:03 AM

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Beatuiful in every inch. It couldn't be made better, it's bittersweet, fullfilling ans still many things are left up to viewer's interpratation.

Generally, I loved this show. It was pure Lynch on LSD. And there are so many references you could write a book. I can't clearly judge if Penguindrum is another milestone masterpiece in anime industry beacuse I'm still high on emotions, but surely no other anime kept me on the edge every week.

10/10 and adding to top 5


 
12-23-11, 3:07 AM

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confusing finale but emotional. I'll give it a 9
 
12-23-11, 3:09 AM

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You can't expect everything always to be handed out to you. Sometimes the writers WANT you to THINK. You will never know for sure why somethings went how they went. Find the best interpretation that sets your mind at ease.

I for one enjoy a series that leaves me with questions and gives me the chance to theorize.

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12-23-11, 3:11 AM

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I think Penguindrum has become one of my favourite anime. This ending ... wow, it was unexpected. I didn't expect my favourite character to die but if Shouma hadn't done what he had done then this would have meant that Ringo would have died :( the thing that devastated me the most when watching this was when everyone forgot about their existance... especially Ringo :( it made me think about how when Momoka died at least Yuri and Tabuki still had memories of her. I liked how they showed younger versions of Kanba and Shouma walking by the house which was like the other two boys that walked past in a previous episode. Very well done! Plus Shouma saying he loved Ringo was one of the best parts of the episode.

Before watching this episode the thing I wanted the most was a second season, an OVA or even a movie but now I think this is not very possible :( what else could they do now after this final episode (perhaps they could have everyone reunite again?? oh please, for Ringo and Shouma's sake :P haha)

But 10/10 for me for this series. I just wish it didn't have toe end!! Also I'm sorry if I didn't put anything in spoiler tags I wasn't sure if I was meant to because lots of people seemed to be posting stuff without the spoiler tags so I will just leave the post without them.
 
12-23-11, 3:14 AM

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Definitely one of the most impressing anime ending I have ever seen.
I 'm content with all the things left in the dark as it allows the viewers to figure them out by themselves rather than handing to them on a silver platter.
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12-23-11, 3:20 AM

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Great episode. Awesome anime.

I'm trying to remember where I've seen this "I don't have memories, then why am I crying?". But I've seen it before, I'm sure it is a common place xD


I was trying to remember the same... ¿Pandora Hearts? xD
 
12-23-11, 3:24 AM

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12-23-11, 3:31 AM

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8/10

T'was good, but the ending wasn't THAT great.
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12-23-11, 3:32 AM

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As always, when people don't understand it means it's awesome.
i instead think it's the opposite, when people don't understand they choose to dislike to don't risk to like it, but only because they themselfes have no idea how to rate it
or more often it's even more pitifull, when someone have no idea for him/herself just copy the one next to you
but anyway you can't ignore the awe factor ^_^ it doesn't need deep understanding to appreciate it

i liked a lot this serie, i'm a sucker for simbolism and metaphors, and the final message/moral is hearthwarming
if not for some little dragged parts of the show i would have rated it 10, for me now it's a 9.2, so a 9 overall

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Definitely one of the most impressing anime ending I have ever seen.
I 'm content with all the things left in the dark as it allows the viewers to figure them out by themselves rather than handing to them on a silver platter.
i really agree with that, some/most of us aren't infants anymore who needs to get feeded piece by piece to get an understanding of things by ourselfes
or some watch animes only to relax and don't want to have to think too much over them, that's not a wrong standpoint too, but such people should not get in animes like this one in the first place if they think like that
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12-23-11, 3:44 AM

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have hoped for more original ending, 6/10.
 
12-23-11, 3:46 AM

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Lestrade said:
Definitely one of the most impressing anime ending I have ever seen.
I 'm content with all the things left in the dark as it allows the viewers to figure them out by themselves rather than handing to them on a silver platter.


More like guessing instead of figuring , and im not content with it :(
 
12-23-11, 3:47 AM

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I was on a trip with no internet access, and this episode has been on my mind all day. I couldn't wait until I'm back home to turn on my laptop and watch this episode T_T

The Penguindrum turned out to be the apple that Kanba shared with Shouma to sustain each other's life, should've seen that with all the apple motif that saturated the series. The apple half is a symbol of Kanba's kindness and selflessness. His life was the most tragic out of all the cast since he practically lived for Himari and always sacrificed his happiness for others. He was an anti-hero more than anything. The scene where he shattered like a tin soldier on behalf of Himari was heart-wrenching and beautiful that I cried buckets of tears T_T I'm glad that his love was returned by Himari in the end like the boys in Ep 1 foreshadowed. And speaking of the boys from Ep 1, it was quite clever that they turned out to be Kanba and Shouma.

Moving to Shouma, he was a good comic relief throughout the series, but it always frustrated me that he got more love than Kanba that I found vastly superior in terms of characterization, but his scene with Ringo was just as heartbreaking as Kanba/Himari, and he did love her, the Shouma/Ringo in me did a backflip while watching him confes ;_; In the end, both Kanba and Shouma sacrificed themselves for love and got reborn in return.

So, it was a reset button ending in the end. Himari was happy with her parents before they passed away, Mario is healed, Kanba and Shouma got reborn, though everyone forgot who they were; I wonder if Ringo's parents are back together. With them all living in the same town and Himari remembering who they were, I don't see it impossible that they'll cross paths with each other. I'm now interested to read the novel's ending and see if it adds to the anime ending.

I would like to thank Ikuhara for returning to the director's seat and also all the groups that subbed this and made it available for us who suck at Japanese. I can see Nozomi licensing this and slapping something like "From the director of RGU!" on the cover to evoke interest.

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12-23-11, 3:54 AM

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Okay, I said how much I love the ending earlier, now, after the watching subs...
Some questions were left unanswered. Mainly about Child's Broiler and what Takakuras and Kiga has to do with it, and what exactly did Kamba's father do. Though I get a feeling it was explained but I missed it. derp I got a feeling that the key is somewhere in Sanetoshi's monologue, but idk idk.
I guess penguins are symbol of people in general, and the penguin's box was a symbol of an egoistical person - takeback to Sanetoshi's monologue. Everyone is trapped in their boxes called "self", but Kamba was selfless and shared the apple - which was reward for dying for love, which just implied Shoma and Kamba are alive to die for love someday, as they did. So the fact the people aren't exactly what Sanetoshi thinks they are ended up destroying his plans this time. The boxes and apples were symbolic, though. But I'm not exactly sure how. I have a certain idea, but it doesn't really fit since Shoma didn't seem like he was neglected by his parents...
And we have a moral from Tabuki/Yuri dialogue. A loved child will be a happy person. An unloved child is someone who becomes invisible, like the children in Child's Broiler, unless someone offers them the love.
Crap, this anime was beautiful.
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12-23-11, 4:08 AM

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Wow, I have no idea how people can write novel length stuff over a series... All I can say is that it just was beautiful, nothing more unfortunately..
 
12-23-11, 4:17 AM

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N-N-N-N-NO, T-THAT CAN'T BE IT. ASDFGHJKL; </3
Lots of questions have been left unanswered, but wow. Penguindrum has got to be one of the (if not) most impressive animes I've ever watched. I guess it's up to our imaginations to think up those answers. But nothing's better than official ones. :| OH COME ON, IKUHARAAA.

Although that ending was just confusing-- with the little Shouma and Kanba, I guess it was satisfying enough. I would've wanted to see a more climatic end, though. Seeing a world in which Himari never? met Shouma and Kanba is extremely depressing. And I cried when she opened that note omg. ;__________;

More episodes plz. I HOPE THERE'LL BE SPECIALS.
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12-23-11, 5:19 AM

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"I Love You" indeed T___T
 
12-23-11, 5:33 AM

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Mawaru Penguindrum Shonen Tropa?

I loved the show overall but was expecting more from the ending considering how unpredictable the show had been till this point. What about Mario-san and the uncrushable grandpa and a whole lot of characters who haven't been given context? Still it was an appropriately poignant ending which did resolve things nicely and answered all the core questions. Plus, it wasn't as anticlimactic as the FMA:Brotherhood ending for instance.
 
12-23-11, 5:41 AM

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It was pretty good but damn there are a lot of easily impressionable manchildren in here.
 
12-23-11, 5:52 AM

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"Why" sob sob...............its over. I wished it ended better although for this series it fit perfectly i just love those penguins. My re-watch value is in effect!
 
12-23-11, 6:00 AM

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Idk I'm not so statisfied with the ending, I like the first half better than the last half like srsly shit was better before ep 10
but okay
still one of my favorite series but this ep really didn't move me at all.

Oh yeah 9/10
 
12-23-11, 6:27 AM

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I CANNOT STOP CRYING, OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

When I thought they were dead the tears were just vtrgergvwefwerfc everywheree!!!

THEY SHARED THE APPLE OF FATE, SO THEY HAD TO DIE TOGETHER!!!!
*Still sobbing*

So many feelings, not enough words...! Simply beautiful from start to finish!;~;♥♥

I will never forger this anime, I will remember it, 'Forever and always!'

 
12-23-11, 6:28 AM

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that was so sad T_T
MY GOD the scene where Shouma takes out his heart or whatever and Kanba shares the fruit of fate with him is the most beautiful and the saddest moment I've ever seen.. and that music

for me, Kanba is the true hero in this show ,after this ep I love him the most

also, I believe Kan and Sho are really brothers, this is why they share the same eye color


11/10
 
12-23-11, 6:29 AM

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T.T It is not the happy ever after ending that I hoped for. But I have to say that this ending was just so amazing.
 
12-23-11, 7:27 AM

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I wish it had a better ending. I cried a river here TT.TT
this was the only anime that I cried that much. Well to be honest I'm not really satisfied with the ending. But one of the EPIC animes I've ever watched.

I'm looking foward for an OVA but after watching the Final Ep. I'm not sure if they are gonna make one but I hope they will...
 
12-23-11, 7:38 AM

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Ok, after rewatching the last 3 episodes a few times I think the anime ends up leaving me with even more mixed feelings. I liked it, but going through those episodes again didn't make me like it more... because I noticed even more flaws.

1. The reveal of the PenguinDrum was pretty halfassed. The apple represented love and kindness, but that makes little sense chronologically: Kanba always had two loving siblings and if it was after they were separated Shouma already had Himari as an adopted sister. Why was Kanba's kindness so relevant? How did Momoka know about it? The fact that Kanba has an apple in his cage but Shouma doesn't have one makes very little "sense", even in-universe.

2. Momoka and Sanetoshi remained glorified plot devices with really inane motivations. How did he gain magical powers? Why was Momoka, a completely normal girl, granted a fate altering spell?

3. If "LET US SHARE THE FRUIT OF FATE" was enough to change fate, what was the point of the diary?

4. Yuri and Tabuki's actions in the first 18 episodes are absurd in retrospective. What were they trying to do, anyway?

5. Masako's manipulation of Kanba's ex-girlfriends was pointless and served no real purpose in the story.

6.What was the source of PingGroup's seemingly limitless resources?
 
12-23-11, 8:06 AM

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WOW just WOW, Mawaru PenguinDUMB.


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12-23-11, 8:21 AM

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I agree with a previous post that stated that much of the heavy and obscure symbolism was pretentious posturing. The story could have been told better had the themes in it been more clearly stated, with each symbol and motif being clearly explained. Then again, the ambiguity means that the viewer is free to take whatever message out of this show that he or she wants. Perhaps there is no one set meaning for each of the symbols, and perhaps Ikuhara never had a concrete definition in mind. Therefore the mind-numbing amount of confounding symbols may have been a good thing after all.

As for the ending, pretty damn good. Although I never saw it coming (hell I never see anything coming) the idea of sacrifice, although done to death in storytelling, is a good one to me, and therefore can never be overdone.

9/10
 
12-23-11, 8:37 AM

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Someone explain the ending to me. ಥ_ಥ Why did Kanba died ?And how did Shoma take the fate transfer punishment from Ringo ?
 
12-23-11, 8:38 AM

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Had the goosebumps when Sho sacrificed himself for Ringo and when Himari cried.

I don't know if I completely grasped everything coz it's hard to distinguish reality and inner fantasy in this show plus the complexity of everything. It's so damn subjective to the audience perceptions esp. being a symbolic and metaphoric series so I guess there's no definite explanation for everything.

But nonetheless, it was an amazing and entertaining ride. 9/10
 
12-23-11, 8:42 AM

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The last few minutes after Sho said "I love you" to Ringo then died I cried non-stop....my otp.....T_T
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12-23-11, 8:52 AM

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Epic ending, it even made me cry, this ep was a clear 10/10, 9/10 for the series overall.
 
12-23-11, 8:58 AM

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great episode, soooo EPIC!!
the ending did make me cry, but i loved how they told us what the apple also means at the end..
anyways!! I loved this episode, and this anime as a whole!! I'm seriously debating whether to give it a perfect score... >_<
 
12-23-11, 9:11 AM

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Can someone please explain to me WTF just happened?
 
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