Nasty001 said: ichigo03 said: GodlyKyon said: Something I've been wondering for a while . While most people generally like both Kobato and Sena when they vote for either. I'd have to think this: do they like Yozora as well? Because the fandom can be split like that. The answer of this question can determine the general census. Well, the thing about Yozora is that no one can figure out what kind of character she is. For example: Sena: An Oujou-sama type character who in reality just wants real friends instead of lackeys. She's likable because even though she acts conceded, the viewers can see that she's actually a good person and even though Yozora bullies her, she still makes an effort to be friends with her. Kobato: A loli who cares deeply for her big brother and likes to cosplay her favorite character, she's a very likable character because of her innocent interactions with Kodaka, Sena, and Maria. Kodaka: Our main protagonist who only wants friends but has gotten a bad reputation because of his looks. He's likable because unlike most harem male leads, he's actually calm and collected in most "Ecchi" situations, also he doesn't act like an idiot the entire episode. Yozora: Anti-social, a huge bully, and brings others around her down. Unfortunately, that's really what she's been for 11 episodes, yeah she might be good looking and she might be funny sometimes, but most of the time her personality is just not as likable as the others. Again, I personally don't hate Yozora, but I can't seem to like her. I'd say that Yozura is unlikeable, but then again, she's probabaly the only childhood friend were Kodaka will end up with. I was thinking of that in the beginning,(before the anime started) but now I'm not so sure anymore. Not that it matters for this season since it will be a no choosing end. Terrible showing o ichigo03 said: GodlyKyon said: Something I've been wondering for a while . While most people generally like both Kobato and Sena when they vote for either. I'd have to think this: do they like Yozora as well? Because the fandom can be split like that. The answer of this question can determine the general census. Well, the thing about Yozora is that no one can figure out what kind of character she is. For example: Sena: An Oujou-sama type character who in reality just wants real friends instead of lackeys. She's likable because even though she acts conceded, the viewers can see that she's actually a good person and even though Yozora bullies her, she still makes an effort to be friends with her. Kobato: A loli who cares deeply for her big brother and likes to cosplay her favorite character, she's a very likable character because of her innocent interactions with Kodaka, Sena, and Maria. Kodaka: Our main protagonist who only wants friends but has gotten a bad reputation because of his looks. He's likable because unlike most harem male leads, he's actually calm and collected in most "Ecchi" situations, also he doesn't act like an idiot the entire episode. Yozora: Anti-social, a huge bully, and brings others around her down. Unfortunately, that's really what she's been for 11 episodes, yeah she might be good looking and she might be funny sometimes, but most of the time her personality is just not as likable as the others. Again, I personally don't hate Yozora, but I can't seem to like her. This means her character was shown horribly at best. But my main point was that even some may choose Yozora as the most favorite character, perhaps her fans only like her in the series? It's hard to express but basically I'm saying the people who voted for [non-Yozora heroine] may dislike her and like everyone else? Thus making her more unlikeable than any other heroine in this series? |
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| *Checks my Favorite characters* Nope. Kyon, please don't get into this "I knew Sena would be popular" argument please. Thank you. But yes, one of the things I disliked in this show was the harem ending. He needs to be with Yozora <33 They also leave out some of her funniest stories from the Light Novels sadly. |
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-Mika said: *Checks my Favorite characters* Nope. Kyon, please don't get into this "I knew Sena would be popular" argument please. Thank you. But yes, one of the things I disliked in this show was the harem ending. He needs to be with Yozora <33 They also leave out some of her funniest stories from the Light Novels sadly. I'm not though...... I'm not saying sena > sora, saying all that shut on the other thread was a mistake. And I am just too lazy to delete it all I'm trying to answer this thread. Yes Yozora has a lot of fans, I'm not too surprised because she is Thr first heroine and gave everyone a good 1st impression(though NEVER judge a character based on their 1st impressions). But I'm saying maybe there are a lot of people who find her to be unlikeable. For example, the Kobato and Sena fans. And that poll I made is not kade to determine who's "likeable" or not. Oh yeah Also. Alright you like Yozora, but why should Taka be with Yozora?(not bringing in who likes her or not, but series-wise) |
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SephiriAzure said: I don't find her unlikable..more like misunderstood. I don't think many people can put themselves in her shoes..but I'm sure she has reasons for been the way she is. Those reasons just have not been introduced. I actually like her, since her characters types usually..not always..but usually...have pasts that made them the way they are. I also love dark haired characters...there like a weakness, there are exceptions, but Yozora I like. Mind if you can tell me what would be a "good" reason for her to act that way? Because the readjusts gave in the novel sure is not one to me. Also, I only brought up Sena would be more popular than Yozora in the other thread because people were keep on talking about how ^No one could like Sena in the beginning. Did you make some typos on the last part? Because I'm nit sure what you are trying to say there. Btw. I'm pretty sure Yozora's first impressions were a lot better than Sena's, would that be a huge influence to why people like her? |
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| Maybe Yozora is more likable in manga or LN, then I don't understand why in anime she is showed as such way... We got 11 and I still don't get why she bullies everyone and always. Support characters look lot better than Yozora. I don't hate her, through whole series I want to try to understand her and try to like her, but I can't... "Another "problem" with Yozora's character in the anime with people is that, they look at her "picking" on Sena and hate her, more so because Sena automatically starts crying and can't take it." Even Sena not starts crying, when she bullies somebody I always think: "WTF you doing? Who the hell you think you are?" I really don't understand her... She want have friends, but how she treats them? Animators don't show us any reasons why she act like this? So how she could be likeable when they show her only bad sites of her? |
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-Mika said: Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. |
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Otsdarva said: You Pretty much summed it up. A lot of people go "oh, the LN shows good reasons for blah blah blah but then refuse to give examples. Please give examples to us non-LN readers or otherwise don't even bother bringing it up.-Mika said: Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. |
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potplant said: Your first paragraph was totally an attack but I'll dismiss it.Leon-Gun said: You Pretty much summed it up. A lot of people go "oh, the LN shows good reasons for blah blah blah but then refuse to give examples. Please give examples to us non-LN readers or otherwise don't even bother bringing it up. Even now the interpretation of Yozora's character given limited coverage of the anime is diverging. LN will NOT give examples of an 180 degree turn-around if that's what you are looking for. Nor is anyone's business to explain it to someone who doesn't bother looking for the LN (which is available, google thx), and with possibly a tinted glass to begin with. For for the sake of discussion, an analogy: on the topic of doing something well, let's call it 'running'. An athlete did 100m in 11 sec. A one-legged person did it in 17 sec. Apparently given the result the one-legged person OBVIOUSLY didn't try hard enough compared to the athlete. To apply here, the topic will be 'taking initiative with Kodaka'' and Sena is the athlete, Yozora is the one-legged one. That's simply due to the difference to their personalities. Guess what, there are areas Sena is 'one-legged' at as well, and she fared just as badly development-wise. I find it ironic that many who dislike Yozora's 'bullying' (a word used with emotion, which I believe is incorrectly applied because the underlying motive differs), is actually a manifestation of LACK OF EMPATHY, at the same time these viewers display the same towards Yozora's character. Interestingly this lack of empathy trait is shared by Sena, except she responds by being dismissive. It all comes down to Sena's strong points just so happens to align with what most find appealing, but this show is about how characters deal with their weaknesses. Let's just say people ind some flaws simpler to accept. Hiding your feelings behind pride is easy to accept because in a more broad sense it doesn't hurt others. Hiding your feelings behind a screen of verbal and sometimes physical attacks however does has visible victims. Some people likes this type of characters (but I've noticed they tend to like sadistic teasing in general) and some can't stand it. I particularly hate physical teasing or just exaggerated teasing in general. It's not like Yozora is the first character I've come to hate because of it. And the whole "give examples" bit I said was only said because I am actually getting sick and tired of people just going "but the LN gives you some different characterization" without at least one example to back them up. You expect me to read up the whole LN just to check whether my point stands or not? Why? If my point stands I will def not enjoy it, and I have plenty of others ways to waste my time than reading something I won't enjoy. |
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-Mika said: Gahhh You're soo annoying Kyon! Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Geez. Just because you don't think she's good or because you don't like bullies because you've been bullied or whatever, doesn't mean everyone shouldn't like her. just ssttoppppp D: People might've understood her more if we got that scene of Sena's room of Yozora. The fuck? I didn't say it's not okay to not like her, I want to understand WHY would you like her beside her first impression that she gave you. Otsdarva said: -Mika said: Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. Summed up my feelings in regard to her. agreed with the 3 points you provided. Leon-Gun said: Otsdarva said: You Pretty much summed it up. A lot of people go "oh, the LN shows good reasons for blah blah blah but then refuse to give examples. Please give examples to us non-LN readers or otherwise don't even bother bringing it up.-Mika said: Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. I am not exactly sure what they are talking about, because I read the LNs and I couldn't find an instance where she was giving a good reason to us. In fact, the reason she gave for hiding her secret was quite shitty. In the light novels she said she was too embarrassed to wear a skirt, and I think she blamed Kodaka for that...... that was it, nothing deep. Though I actually laughed because of Kodaka who pointed out if she just told him that it would've led to the situation where he say "prove it to me"...... yeah. Z-flame said: First of all, likeable =/= nice There can be a character that is an hypocrite, mean, and a liar; and yet some people could still like that character. Otsdarva said: -Mika said: Is there a problem with people liking Yozora? I would understand if she was a character like Shinji or Shu. Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. Ironically, some of these points could be use as a reason for some people to like her. Example of a person that finds her unlikeable could say: "Omg I hate how Yozora treats Sena and Maria. She's too mean." Example of a person that finds her likeable could say: "Lol. I love how Yozora treats Sena and Maria. She's enjoyable." Like I said before, what some people say why she's unlikeable could be used by other people that find her likeable. I would suppose that is the reason. Although I hardly could say I like Maria, I don't think she deserve so much bullying without good reasons. But ok, I guess her fans liked her because she didn't change at all. thanks Leon-Gun said: potplant said: Your first paragraph was totally an attack but I'll dismiss it.Leon-Gun said: You Pretty much summed it up. A lot of people go "oh, the LN shows good reasons for blah blah blah but then refuse to give examples. Please give examples to us non-LN readers or otherwise don't even bother bringing it up. Even now the interpretation of Yozora's character given limited coverage of the anime is diverging. LN will NOT give examples of an 180 degree turn-around if that's what you are looking for. Nor is anyone's business to explain it to someone who doesn't bother looking for the LN (which is available, google thx), and with possibly a tinted glass to begin with. For for the sake of discussion, an analogy: on the topic of doing something well, let's call it 'running'. An athlete did 100m in 11 sec. A one-legged person did it in 17 sec. Apparently given the result the one-legged person OBVIOUSLY didn't try hard enough compared to the athlete. To apply here, the topic will be 'taking initiative with Kodaka'' and Sena is the athlete, Yozora is the one-legged one. That's simply due to the difference to their personalities. Guess what, there are areas Sena is 'one-legged' at as well, and she fared just as badly development-wise. I find it ironic that many who dislike Yozora's 'bullying' (a word used with emotion, which I believe is incorrectly applied because the underlying motive differs), is actually a manifestation of LACK OF EMPATHY, at the same time these viewers display the same towards Yozora's character. Interestingly this lack of empathy trait is shared by Sena, except she responds by being dismissive. It all comes down to Sena's strong points just so happens to align with what most find appealing, but this show is about how characters deal with their weaknesses. Let's just say people ind some flaws simpler to accept. Hiding your feelings behind pride is easy to accept because in a more broad sense it doesn't hurt others. Hiding your feelings behind a screen of verbal and sometimes physical attacks however does has visible victims. Some people likes this type of characters (but I've noticed they tend to like sadistic teasing in general) and some can't stand it. I particularly hate physical teasing or just exaggerated teasing in general. It's not like Yozora is the first character I've come to hate because of it. And the whole "give examples" bit I said was only said because I am actually getting sick and tired of people just going "but the LN gives you some different characterization" without at least one example to back them up. You expect me to read up the whole LN just to check whether my point stands or not? Why? If my point stands I will def not enjoy it, and I have plenty of others ways to waste my time than reading something I won't enjoy. I was actually getting mad to because no one really cites the claims. I am reading the LNs and can't find anything I would regard a good example, which is why i want the YOZORA FANS to explain because in my perspective, I can't find any. |
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RitsuTainaka said: Nope, I found Meat far more unlikeable. All she does is whine and cry. Seriously? She way more than that... Pony out what they do each if you want to convince anyone. |
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LittleStar said: "Another "problem" with Yozora's character in the anime with people is that, they look at her "picking" on Sena and hate her, more so because Sena automatically starts crying and can't take it." Even Sena not starts crying, I don't know what you're getting at here, but - she whines and complains about it most of the time, or tries to counter attack, which never works. BL2W said: Honestly, I felt the same way at first. I found Yozora to be a huge downer and "unlikable," but eventually, I came to realize something: I believe that she's supposed to be that way. Now, for those who really do love Yozora, bear with me. Yozora is essentially an emo chick, so to speak--an emo chick who is anti-social, inconsiderate, and spiteful. In other words, because of her traits, Yozora is unable to make friends on her own; thus, I come full circle to the plot of this show. No. She has no friends because she has attachment problems, not because she's "emo", or has 1 trait from that. If that was the case, then Kuroneko from OreImo - must have been an emo aswell, huh? Anti social, bad attitude, name-callings, wears black most of the time, etc. I know you meant the basic traits of an emo, but that doesn't necessarily make a person "emo". That just makes it a part of "who they are" not "what they are". I really just dislike the term "emo" lol... |
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BL2W said: Honestly, I felt the same way at first. I found Yozora to be a huge downer and "unlikable," but eventually, I came to realize something: I believe that she's supposed to be that way. Now, for those who really do love Yozora, bear with me. Yozora is essentially an emo chick, so to speak--an emo chick who is anti-social, inconsiderate, and spiteful. In other words, because of her traits, Yozora is unable to make friends on her own; thus, I come full circle to the plot of this show. Her character would have this effect, yes. I guess she is also pretty much responsible why the friendship of the characters do not become fully realized. RealScreamer said: LittleStar said: "Another "problem" with Yozora's character in the anime with people is that, they look at her "picking" on Sena and hate her, more so because Sena automatically starts crying and can't take it." Even Sena not starts crying, I don't know what you're getting at here, but - she whines and complains about it most of the time, or tries to counter attack, which never works. BL2W said: Honestly, I felt the same way at first. I found Yozora to be a huge downer and "unlikable," but eventually, I came to realize something: I believe that she's supposed to be that way. Now, for those who really do love Yozora, bear with me. Yozora is essentially an emo chick, so to speak--an emo chick who is anti-social, inconsiderate, and spiteful. In other words, because of her traits, Yozora is unable to make friends on her own; thus, I come full circle to the plot of this show. No. She has no friends because she has attachment problems, not because she's "emo", or has 1 trait from that. If that was the case, then Kuroneko from OreImo - must have been an emo aswell, huh? Anti social, bad attitude, name-callings, wears black most of the time, etc. I know you meant the basic traits of an emo, but that doesn't necessarily make a person "emo". That just makes it a part of "who they are" not "what they are". I really just dislike the term "emo" lol... Uh, no. I am not fully sure WHY she has no friends, but from the information given it is implied that way. she does not like people in higher class than her(or so she thinks they are), so that is the way she treats them. Kuroneko was no where near a bully, so you can't really compare them(if anything, compare her to Kobato) |
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ichigo03 said: Otsdarva said: She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. EXACTLY! Yozora is just a HUGE contradiction, she creates a club to make friends but then becomes increasingly Anti-social, a bully, and a downer to all the other members. Yozora would've been a MUCH better character if she acted more in tune to the things she says. Like I said before, Sena and Kobato are much more likable because they have personalities in which the viewer can relate to. Sena likes games and wants real friends, Kobato cares for her brother and has very interesting interactions with the characters around her. From the very beginning, it seems like Yozora is not really interested in anyone except Kodaka, it's obvious that she likes him (I guess because they were childhood friends) but she doesn't really want any friends or be social or any of the things she says. Another thing I don't understand about Yozora is that why would she be SO interested in a person that disappeared 10 years ago? That is such a forced relationship..... Also, they barely had ANY interaction in the series(Sena had plenty and Kobato had always been there with him) |
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GodlyKyon said: Uh, no. I am not fully sure WHY she has no friends, but from the information given it is implied that way. she does not like people in higher class than her(or so she thinks they are), so that is the way she treats them. Kuroneko was no where near a bully, so you can't really compare them(if anything, compare her to Kobato) Ugh. Reading into the novel, yes, she does. She was attached to the Cat&Kodaka, as Kodaka was her first friend ever, and took care of a cat with him. Loses both, in a flash, and she comes down to never making anymore friends?? That my friend, is an attachment issue. Highly seen in children and can continue on. Also - just to add on, I think everyone with a good memory remembers their "first" friend and cherished the silly moments you had, I know I still do. Lmao. No, see, you don't understand. That is, what Sena is. You clearly will never try to feel the frustration of being anti-social, because you're at a point where the way you see Yozora, makes you sick. More than obvious she lies to herself about most things, so she can be "socially accepted". The girl doesn't know right or wrong dealing with people. Which is why, she treats people like Sena, like shit. And it's obvious teasing to Maria - AGAIN - Who the fuck takes advice from a person who screwed you once before? Stupid. So for the love of Christ, people. Everyone's at fault, not just queen "Bitch", Yozora. smh. It's funny how no one said anything when Kobato cheered Yozora on to keep on harassing Maria. Kuroneko always talked crap about Kirino - Kirino did aswell. She also looked down upon Akagi Sena for being an a obsessive Yaoi fan, would also say a bit of negative things to Kyousuke. Only difference here is that Yozora and the rest of the Boku cast are too "over-the-top". But clearly, it's futile with you. No matter what, you won't be able to sympathize, as I'm sure you think being anti-social is an easy matter, when it's not. Seriously, no interaction with people for 10years? And she's suppose to be this positive and truthful girl for everyone to like? No. I'm surprised she's not fucking crazy...Well, perhaps she is a bit crazy with Tomo as a "friend".... These Yozora discussions are all just un-needed, The show doesn't even live up to the novel to discuss characters completely. |
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RealScreamer said: GodlyKyon said: Uh, no. I am not fully sure WHY she has no friends, but from the information given it is implied that way. she does not like people in higher class than her(or so she thinks they are), so that is the way she treats them. Kuroneko was no where near a bully, so you can't really compare them(if anything, compare her to Kobato) Ugh. Reading into the novel, yes, she does. She was attached to the Cat&Kodaka, as Kodaka was her first friend ever, and took care of a cat with him. Loses both, in a flash, and she comes down to never making anymore friends?? That my friend, is an attachment issue. Highly seen in children and can continue on. Also - just to add on, I think everyone with a good memory remembers their "first" friend and cherished the silly moments you had, I know I still do. Lmao. No, see, you don't understand. That is, what Sena is. You clearly will never try to feel the frustration of being anti-social, because you're at a point where the way you see Yozora, makes you sick. More than obvious she lies to herself about most things, so she can be "socially accepted". The girl doesn't know right or wrong dealing with people. Which is why, she treats people like Sena, like shit. And it's obvious teasing to Maria - AGAIN - Who the fuck takes advice from a person who screwed you once before? Stupid. So for the love of Christ, people. Everyone's at fault, not just queen "Bitch", Yozora. smh. It's funny how no one said anything when Kobato cheered Yozora on to keep on harassing Maria. Kuroneko always talked crap about Kirino - Kirino did aswell. She also looked down upon Akagi Sena for being an a obsessive Yaoi fan, would also say a bit of negative things to Kyousuke. Only difference here is that Yozora and the rest of the Boku cast are too "over-the-top". But clearly, it's futile with you. No matter what, you won't be able to sympathize, as I'm sure you think being anti-social is an easy matter, when it's not. Seriously, no interaction with people for 10years? And she's suppose to be this positive and truthful girl for everyone to like? No. I'm surprised she's not fucking crazy...Well, perhaps she is a bit crazy with Tomo as a "friend".... These Yozora discussions are all just un-needed, The show doesn't even live up to the novel to discuss characters completely. Kuroneko was more sympathsizable than Yozora. Fujoshis are looked down upon by people, especially men, that's why no one had any problems with it. Yozora is just a bitch to me. What she does is not entertaining and I saw nothing that would justify what she does in my heart. Yeah, it's useless to try to change my opinions about Yozora I suppose. You're right. ^No more discussion should be necessary. |
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GodlyKyon said: Kuroneko was more sympathsizable than Yozora. Fujoshis are looked down upon by people, especially men, that's why no one had any problems with it. Just to refresh my memory on the crap that was OreImo, what was so sympathetic about Kuroneko? I mean, there's absolutely no backstory on her, she's just like that, for the sake of being like that. But if I'm forgetting something, please do give me the details, I have forgotten 3/4's of that whole show. And Just to say, I like Kuroneko. Regardless, of what people like, it's still wrong to talk crap about it, even if it's yaoi. It's just like Sena playing those eroge, that's looked down upon. But this is a close minded world, I guess.. |
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| I'm a Yozora fan; in fact, she's the character that I enjoy the most in this show. Can she be mean? Yes. But is she unlikeable? No. The main reason people seem to dislike her is her treatment of Sena. While this is seen as cruel by some viewers, the characters themselves don't seem to think that. Sena comes back to the club every day, she still tries to interact with Yozora, and she has shown NO hints of being emotionally scarred by Yozora's so-called bullying. That's because her teasing is exaggerated, just like Sena's reaction of running and crying and screaming "Idiot Yozora!" is. It's supposed to be funny. This isn't a serious drama. What I don't get is why some viewers don't realize Sena is just as flawed as Yozora. She thinks of herself as better than anyone else. If she sees an opening to attack Yozora, you better believe she'd take it. Why do you think she's disliked by her female classmates? She's the one doing the rejecting of all the males, and she doesn't even try to be nice about it. She tells them to kiss her feet and treat her like a goddess. She doesn't even bother to learn the name of her female classmates. I like Sena, but I also see her for what she is. Same with Yozora. Both of them would be pretty much detestable in real life and it's no surprise they're friendless. That's the point! |
RealScreamer said: GodlyKyon said: Kuroneko was more sympathsizable than Yozora. Fujoshis are looked down upon by people, especially men, that's why no one had any problems with it. Just to refresh my memory on the crap that was OreImo, what was so sympathetic about Kuroneko? I mean, there's absolutely no backstory on her, she's just like that, for the sake of being like that. But if I'm forgetting something, please do give me the details, I have forgotten 3/4's of that whole show. And Just to say, I like Kuroneko. Regardless, of what people like, it's still wrong to talk crap about it, even if it's yaoi. It's just like Sena playing those eroge, that's looked down upon. But this is a close minded world, I guess.. What? some of the things Sena plays is pretty shameful...... in public |
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V-i-v-i said: Sena comes back to the club every day Sena comes back to the club every day, because of Kodaka, and she want have friends. I don't think she comes back for Yozora. Yozora isn't only one member in club. |
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LittleStar said: V-i-v-i said: Sena comes back to the club every day Sena comes back to the club every day, because of Kodaka, and she want have friends. I don't think she comes back for Yozora. Yozora isn't only one member in club. I don't think she's coming back for Yozora either. But she wouldn't come back if she felt that Yozora bullied her too much. Sena can call Kodaka to hang out; she's done it before already. |
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| Yeah, she should stop coming back because of Yozora? Why? What Sena do that SHE have to stop coming? There is other members in club, should Sena stop befriend with them, because of Yozora? That's funny, only Yozora have big problem in this club. Sometimes I wonder why Kodaka is so stupid and don't tell Yozora to stop! Sena don't run away, she stay in club. I have hope Yozora stop be so mean, and she will understand what she done. Or she meet someone else who start bulling at her, and she will feel how is it! |
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LittleStar said: Yeah, she should stop coming back because of Yozora? Why? What Sena do that SHE have to stop coming? There is other members in club, should Sena stop befriend with them, because of Yozora? That's funny, only Yozora have big problem in this club. Sometimes I wonder why Kodaka is so stupid and don't tell Yozora to stop! Sena don't run away, she stay in club. I have hope Yozora stop be so mean, and she will understand what she done. Or she meet someone else who start bulling at her, and she will feel how is it! Yozora may only be one member, but it's a club that she started. Sena could be friends with them outside the club if she wanted to. Btw, Yozora is powerless against Rika so there you go. |
| No. Yozora is god tier |
| tfw no gf tfw i keep getting the banhammer on here tfw Koleare keeps banning me every other day tfw I'm misunderstood by le mod |
| Actually, I think Yozora just wants Kodaka to herself. She only accepted Kobato because she was "his little sister"(no one can guess that though, ever. WINCEST WOOT). and I would say Sena is her biggest threat in the whole club, she wants to get back together with Kodaka again. Although some may say this is sweet, why the fuck make a club if your objective is not to make "a lot of friends" like you promised? I know she has problems with social gathering, this just make me dislike her more though, how inefficiently and not willing she is to corporate with other to get along. especially in the anime...... it's shown especially bad |
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| Since someone mentioned Kuroneko, it's nice to also point out that behind Ruri's curtain of anti-social behaviour and abusive language she actually cares for her friends and family (and sacrifices a lot to keep her family stable). She's done plenty of favors and helped Kirino when in need even when saying otherwise. I don't think Yozora has ever done anything for anyone and when she has (like the snacks she brings for Maria) they are just bribes or with ulterior motives. |
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GodlyKyon said: What? some of the things Sena plays is pretty shameful...... in public Indeed. But most people don't have a problem with it like they do with Yaoi. I think it is shameful, but it doesn't hurt anyone. So people stress over those types of stuff too much. Leon-Gun said: Since someone mentioned Kuroneko, it's nice to also point out that behind Ruri's curtain of anti-social behaviour and abusive language she actually cares for her friends and family (and sacrifices a lot to keep her family stable). She's done plenty of favors and helped Kirino when in need even when saying otherwise. I don't think Yozora has ever done anything for anyone and when she has (like the snacks she brings for Maria) they are just bribes or with ulterior motives. In saying that, that all happened when the show was ending and Kuroneko had some decent air time, right? Boku is more than likely getting a second season, Yozora will more than likely get development. And honestly, Yozora actually cares for the people in her club, the girl can't express her feelings at all. Come on, she takes the time to tease Sena and Maria, every chance she gets? And even plays games with Sena?? Both are lying to themselves and are friends, they both just don't notice yet. Same goes for everyone else's relationship in the club. If she really did hate everyone. her words would be more serious and not exaggerated bullcrap. ___ I think it would be better if people just say they don't like Yozora because she's an "Unsociable" person. Coming up with development issues in a pretty "bleh" adaption, "jealousy", "mean" and assumptions that are way off are just extremely silly to me. Especially when this is an a exaggerated comedy with 90% of humor that "annoys" people, in a series that's most likely not finished - with everyone in the cast being flawed. It's apparently okay for Sena and Rika to sexually harass Kobato, huh? No one says a negative word about it, even though Kobato is obviously scared. I really don't get some people.. Anyways, bleh, just "bleh". Topic got old, discussed so many times and so many opinions tossed over without either side getting it. |
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RealScreamer said: GodlyKyon said: What? some of the things Sena plays is pretty shameful...... in public Indeed. But most people don't have a problem with it like they do with Yaoi. I think it is shameful, but it doesn't hurt anyone. So people stress over those types of stuff too much. Leon-Gun said: Since someone mentioned Kuroneko, it's nice to also point out that behind Ruri's curtain of anti-social behaviour and abusive language she actually cares for her friends and family (and sacrifices a lot to keep her family stable). She's done plenty of favors and helped Kirino when in need even when saying otherwise. I don't think Yozora has ever done anything for anyone and when she has (like the snacks she brings for Maria) they are just bribes or with ulterior motives. In saying that, that all happened when the show was ending and Kuroneko had some decent air time, right? Boku is more than likely getting a second season, Yozora will more than likely get development. And honestly, Yozora actually cares for the people in her club, the girl can't express her feelings at all. Come on, she takes the time to tease Sena and Maria, every chance she gets? And even plays games with Sena?? Both are lying to themselves and are friends, they both just don't notice yet. Same goes for everyone else's relationship in the club. If she really did hate everyone. her words would be more serious and not exaggerated bullcrap. ___ I think it would be better if people just say they don't like Yozora because she's an "Unsociable" person. Coming up with development issues in a pretty "bleh" adaption, "jealousy", "mean" and assumptions that are way off are just extremely silly to me. Especially when this is an a exaggerated comedy with 90% of humor that "annoys" people, in a series that's most likely not finished - with everyone in the cast being flawed. It's apparently okay for Sena and Rika to sexually harass Kobato, huh? No one says a negative word about it, even though Kobato is obviously scared. I really don't get some people.. Anyways, bleh, just "bleh". Topic got old, discussed so many times and so many opinions tossed over without either side getting it. Alright, I will just say I hate Yozora because she psychologically assaults people like a bitch, while it's not amusing either. So it's settled, people mainly are entertained by Yozora or not, that is it. Or else they like her because of her looks. I guess Kobato's reactions are cute? I suppose Sena is more similar to some fans. I like her. I also dislike Yaoi, but Fujoshi can be repelling. |
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| I like characters that are tough and abrasive like Yozora. But I never felt she was uncaring or heartless deep down. And I definitely don't believe that she dislikes Sena either, just like Kobato and Maria don't truly dislike each other. Yozora treats all people the same, the difference is only how each person handles it. It's just like how some people are easily offended by sarcasm, some handle it fine without taking offense, and others still can dish it right back. It's just personalities. Yozora has got a sort of prideful resentment towards being openly nice and friendly. Basically, since she was lonely and without friends, she just convinced herself that she didn't want friends anyway and that she resented all the traits they seemed to have and all the things they seem to do (aka, cognitive dissonance). She makes a point of acting like she believes this too, in order to convince others that she should be envied, not pitied. But she doesn't really feel this way. She's just stubbornly shy about showing weakness or imperfections. I think some people dislike her because she so stubbornly maintains her act. She never caves in to her emotions, but rather she keeps them bottled up. She acts only as she thinks she should act, not how she feels. So some people see her as a cold-hearted, uncaring, self-serving bitch. But I don't see it that way. She should be pitied, not disliked. She doesn't dislike the others. She's just putting on the tough girl act so that nobody will even think to give her the pity she deserves. |
| If you read the light novels, you'll come to like Yozora more because her character has more depth than Sena. As the story progresses, Yozora will (very) slowly defrost and show her true emotions more often while Sena just becomes more and more of a pervert (even more so than Rika). |
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legwkio said: If you read the light novels, you'll come to like Yozora more because her character has more depth than Sena. As the story progresses, Yozora will (very) slowly defrost and show her true emotions more often while Sena just becomes more and more of a pervert (even more so than Rika). Which I guess is the origin of her infinite amounts of Doujins. It's entertaining actually |
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Otsdarva said: Yozora has continually been cruel to a multitude of characters. I'm surprised anyone likes her at all because poor restraint and hypocrisy aren't valued qualities. Shinji and Shu are stressful because of their archetype and stereotype. Yozora is disliked because her mash-up of archetype and personality. I only felt sympathy towards her once, and that was episode 1. She legitamizes bullying by doing it to Sena while she explicitly stated she hates it. Let's not forget about Maria on this one either. this kind of social cruelty makes her hard to be likable because what she is doing and what she says she wants are two different things. She want friends but refuse to be socially acceptable. She wants the neighbor's club to be active in public places but refuses to be around crowds. She wants cooperation but outright makes it impossible to get any from her. You see, these quirks just make her uncomfortable to watch. While some of her moments are actually teasing (the playful variant.) most often she is either giving Sena or Maria a hard time, or is backsiding any efforts for the neighbor's club activities. I don't like her for the above. People are free to like her. There isn't a problem. I just find her insufferable. Hopefully me going "I'm" and "Yozora" instead of "This" and "That is" helped with subjectivity. You pretty much say why i almost hate Yozora existence in the series. RealScreamer said: GodlyKyon said: What? some of the things Sena plays is pretty shameful...... in public Indeed. But most people don't have a problem with it like they do with Yaoi. I think it is shameful, but it doesn't hurt anyone. So people stress over those types of stuff too much. Leon-Gun said: Since someone mentioned Kuroneko, it's nice to also point out that behind Ruri's curtain of anti-social behaviour and abusive language she actually cares for her friends and family (and sacrifices a lot to keep her family stable). She's done plenty of favors and helped Kirino when in need even when saying otherwise. I don't think Yozora has ever done anything for anyone and when she has (like the snacks she brings for Maria) they are just bribes or with ulterior motives. In saying that, that all happened when the show was ending and Kuroneko had some decent air time, right? Boku is more than likely getting a second season, Yozora will more than likely get development. And honestly, Yozora actually cares for the people in her club, the girl can't express her feelings at all. Come on, she takes the time to tease Sena and Maria, every chance she gets? And even plays games with Sena?? Both are lying to themselves and are friends, they both just don't notice yet. Same goes for everyone else's relationship in the club. If she really did hate everyone. her words would be more serious and not exaggerated bullcrap. ___ I think it would be better if people just say they don't like Yozora because she's an "Unsociable" person. Coming up with development issues in a pretty "bleh" adaption, "jealousy", "mean" and assumptions that are way off are just extremely silly to me. Especially when this is an a exaggerated comedy with 90% of humor that "annoys" people, in a series that's most likely not finished - with everyone in the cast being flawed. It's apparently okay for Sena and Rika to sexually harass Kobato, huh? No one says a negative word about it, even though Kobato is obviously scared. I really don't get some people.. Anyways, bleh, just "bleh". Topic got old, discussed so many times and so many opinions tossed over without either side getting it. I get it, and i know that the character type of Yozora you could like it or not, but i dont really "hate" or "dislike" the character, i think it's ok for the most part except for one tinny reason that really bothers me, she is the "childhood friend" I know that this show is like 90% comedy and 10% romance, but Yozora fails the 95% of that 10% and thats why i dislike Yozora. If she wasnt the main heroine i wouldn't care at all, but her character is really underdevelop, apart from creating the club, she does close to nothing as a character in the series just in the final episode they give us a legitimate reason to like her as a heroin wile the whole show is based on Sena and Kodaka getting closer to each other. But to me she fails as a heroine wile they make me like Sena in spite that i don really like "fan service" characters as main heroines. And dont bring the LN or manga here, this is for the anime series, if she really get any development on the possible 2 season we'll see that, but, based only in this 13 episodes i dont like her. Tenchi_Ryu said: She's a shits load better than Ume from Ben-to A Brick is a load better than Ume. |
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EvilSniperTom said: GodlyKyon said: RealScreamer said: GodlyKyon said: What? some of the things Sena plays is pretty shameful...... in public Indeed. But most people don't have a problem with it like they do with Yaoi. I think it is shameful, but it doesn't hurt anyone. So people stress over those types of stuff too much. Leon-Gun said: Since someone mentioned Kuroneko, it's nice to also point out that behind Ruri's curtain of anti-social behaviour and abusive language she actually cares for her friends and family (and sacrifices a lot to keep her family stable). She's done plenty of favors and helped Kirino when in need even when saying otherwise. I don't think Yozora has ever done anything for anyone and when she has (like the snacks she brings for Maria) they are just bribes or with ulterior motives. In saying that, that all happened when the show was ending and Kuroneko had some decent air time, right? Boku is more than likely getting a second season, Yozora will more than likely get development. And honestly, Yozora actually cares for the people in her club, the girl can't express her feelings at all. Come on, she takes the time to tease Sena and Maria, every chance she gets? And even plays games with Sena?? Both are lying to themselves and are friends, they both just don't notice yet. Same goes for everyone else's relationship in the club. If she really did hate everyone. her words would be more serious and not exaggerated bullcrap. ___ I think it would be better if people just say they don't like Yozora because she's an "Unsociable" person. Coming up with development issues in a pretty "bleh" adaption, "jealousy", "mean" and assumptions that are way off are just extremely silly to me. Especially when this is an a exaggerated comedy with 90% of humor that "annoys" people, in a series that's most likely not finished - with everyone in the cast being flawed. It's apparently okay for Sena and Rika to sexually harass Kobato, huh? No one says a negative word about it, even though Kobato is obviously scared. I really don't get some people.. Anyways, bleh, just "bleh". Topic got old, discussed so many times and so many opinions tossed over without either side getting it. Alright, I will just say I hate Yozora because she psychologically assaults people like a bitch, while it's not amusing either. So it's settled, people mainly are entertained by Yozora or not, that is it. Or else they like her because of her looks. I guess Kobato's reactions are cute? I suppose Sena is more similar to some fans. I like her. I also dislike Yaoi, but Fujoshi can be repelling. >I guess Kobato's reactions are cute? Wut. I would say the face Sena puts on while calling Yozora stupid while running away is cute. Yet if it's Yozora it's wrong but if it's full on sexual harassment that makes the younger character scared and makes Sena look like a complete paedophile it's okay? Some flawed logic you have there... I personally see full on paedophilia through sexual harassment a lot harsher than a few insults. uh, no. I am just stating the general census. their interaction give the fans a friendly feeling regarding to Sena rather than her trying to harm Kobato, which Yozora does apparently for fun, or so it't the impression it gives. Kobato's character is really designed to be cute, so everyone likes her. I guess Sena makes the fans feel the same way she does? Have you seen in animes where the girls grab each others' boob in the lockerroom? I suppose you can say Sena is like that to Kobato...... |
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| ^^^ Still, that's not something to defend. I'm sure if it was reality, most of us would be in jail. What would be our excuse? The girl had a cute reaction? lmao... Sery said: If she wasnt the main heroine i wouldn't care at all, but her character is really underdevelop, apart from creating the club, she does close to nothing as a character in the series just in the final episode they give us a legitimate reason to like her as a heroin wile the whole show is based on Sena and Kodaka getting closer to each other. But to me she fails as a heroine wile they make me like Sena in spite that i don really like "fan service" characters as main heroines. And dont bring the LN or manga here, this is for the anime series, if she really get any development on the possible 2 season we'll see that, but, based only in this 13 episodes i dont like her. Which is why I don't know how people can judge so quickly and why I use material other than the anime. These 12 episodes IMO, have been nothing but comedy and fanservice. And no, I don't see Sena's pool episode to be "development". She just starts to like Kodaka, nothing else - her character still is a major Tsundere just like after "Yozora's revealing" - she will still be a complete sadist. In saying that. No one really developed. Rika is still a weird pervert, Maria is still a whiny child, Yukimura is still...doing whatever she's doing, lol..etc. Remember, it's not only Yozora and Sena in the running, the other girls didn't have much time either. Most importantly, of course they had to give a few episodes to Sena, Yozora already has "the upper-hand" in all of this, so no need to make it completely obvious that she's gonna "win". Shia-Neko-Chan said: Yozora's very unlikeable because she's simply a manipulative bully with no real redeeming qualities. Of course, there are those who like bullies (or just bully characters), so it's natural she has some fans.  It's natural that most people can understand characters and not just blindly hate them. People liking "bully characters" is silly. |
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