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04-24-12, 8:04 AM

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Kakkoi-Kun said:
Why did the (now) main assassin willingly die? And is this the true end for assassin O:?
I don't know which version you watched, but in the BD there is a scene which was cut from the TV airing, that explains how Kotomine used a Command Spell to order all of the Assassins to attack. The female Assassin who got her head cut off knew they didn't stand a chance so she didn't fight back or run.
 
05-22-12, 11:54 PM

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Great episode and with the blu ray it comes out to about 30 minutes. The only qualm I have with this ep was that we didn't get so see a longer scene of Rider's men taking out the assassins, but I know that would take up a huge budget. That NP was amazing though.

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Archer's (F/SN) reality marble contains a load of noble phantasms but Rider's contains a load of servants. take that Emiya Shirou!


Not exactly. Archer's NP contains whatever weapon Archer can create or re-create (which is a ton) in his mind. He could create a NP for each of Rider's men and take them out if he uses UBW. But that brings up a question can two reality marbles exist at the same time?

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05-25-12, 12:38 AM

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stAtic91 said:
Kakkoi-Kun said:
Why did the (now) main assassin willingly die? And is this the true end for assassin O:?
I don't know which version you watched, but in the BD there is a scene which was cut from the TV airing, that explains how Kotomine used a Command Spell to order all of the Assassins to attack. The female Assassin who got her head cut off knew they didn't stand a chance so she didn't fight back or run.


More specifically, Kirei ordered the Assassins to achieve victory at any cost, meaning no retreat. Being an order she couldn't refuse, that was the only thing the assassin leader could have done. I just love how the scene was set up, with Rider inviting every one of the assassins for a drink, the rejection, and the onslaught that followed.

A formal and social tea party of kings, now I've seen everything. Great episode, from Rider's lecture to Saber breaking down to Archer not get angry, for once. And Archer using his Noble Phantasm to make refreshments was just unexpected.

Rider's speech and his declaration that he no longer views Saber as a king but as a little girl with bad ideals is something I've wanted to see for a long time, since reading F/S.
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05-25-12, 3:34 PM

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Rider's Noble Phantasm was the best part of this episode by far. Perhaps the best part of all of Fate/Zero so far.
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06-23-12, 3:57 AM

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After watching this episode, it is certain, Rider(Iskandar) is my favorite character created by TYPE-MOON, there really is no contest about it, every moment with this character is just plain awesome.
 
06-23-12, 4:33 AM

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EOTW said:
Great episode and with the blu ray it comes out to about 30 minutes. The only qualm I have with this ep was that we didn't get so see a longer scene of Rider's men taking out the assassins, but I know that would take up a huge budget. That NP was amazing though.

bakari said:
Archer's (F/SN) reality marble contains a load of noble phantasms but Rider's contains a load of servants. take that Emiya Shirou!


Not exactly. Archer's NP contains whatever weapon Archer can create or re-create (which is a ton) in his mind. He could create a NP for each of Rider's men and take them out if he uses UBW. But that brings up a question can two reality marbles exist at the same time?

I think this can be answered easily with a "no they can't". One reality would replace the other one because summoning a Reality Marble is literally dragging someone into the caster's Personal Reality where the world's rules don't apply. Now which Reality Marble would be better is a good question. Rider's is very powerful and has less of a charging time to unleash, but Archer is ALWAYS using his in some form (his weapons all comes from his Reality Marble). Also, Rider can't keep it open if his army is taken out in large numbers because HE'S NOT A MAGE. Archer is an ctual Mage so he can use it to his full extent and you have to weaken Archer himself to get out unlike Rider's which disappears if enough of his army is taken out (though Gil can still break it with Ea since Ea is just hackz).


 
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What a waste. They were gone in not even a minute of fight. but well, maybe there is still one left?

Rider is really impressive.
 
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Leon-Gun said:
EOTW said:
Great episode and with the blu ray it comes out to about 30 minutes. The only qualm I have with this ep was that we didn't get so see a longer scene of Rider's men taking out the assassins, but I know that would take up a huge budget. That NP was amazing though.

bakari said:
Archer's (F/SN) reality marble contains a load of noble phantasms but Rider's contains a load of servants. take that Emiya Shirou!


Not exactly. Archer's NP contains whatever weapon Archer can create or re-create (which is a ton) in his mind. He could create a NP for each of Rider's men and take them out if he uses UBW. But that brings up a question can two reality marbles exist at the same time?

I think this can be answered easily with a "no they can't". One reality would replace the other one because summoning a Reality Marble is literally dragging someone into the caster's Personal Reality where the world's rules don't apply. Now which Reality Marble would be better is a good question. Rider's is very powerful and has less of a charging time to unleash, but Archer is ALWAYS using his in some form (his weapons all comes from his Reality Marble). Also, Rider can't keep it open if his army is taken out in large numbers because HE'S NOT A MAGE. Archer is an ctual Mage so he can use it to his full extent and you have to weaken Archer himself to get out unlike Rider's which disappears if enough of his army is taken out (though Gil can still break it with Ea since Ea is just hackz).



Well, I guess you could say it comes down to who has the better master if we are talking about their servant forms (Rider can keep his marble open if his master provides him with enough magical energy and vice versa). However if we are talking about the heroes fighting each other in their original legends, It wouldn't even be close. Counter Guardian Emiya would mop the floor with Alexander. Hell Counter Guardian Emiya would even destroy Gilgamesh.
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that was...epic
 
07-23-12, 9:31 PM
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This episode really stunned me. The philosophy of kingship was something I almost never heard about in length from an anime.

I don't think Saber's philosophy is wrong. In all probability I would still agree with her more than Iskandar. The real difference lies in context and timing of their roles. If there was a modern Heroic Spirit then his views would be fundamentally different than both Saber's and Rider's, probably.

They really tried to glorify the role of a tyrant selfish leader, while criticizing the altruistic self-doubting leader. Both are technically extremes of humanity itself, I really don't see how Iskandar is more "relatable" than Saber's. But alas, I'm a person of the 21st century, not in feudal times or classical periods. Thus, I shall say simply that this episode was bloody well-executed. Start with an enlightening discussion that tries to remain faithful to their each mythic tales, then capping it off with a ridiculously awesome reality marble butchering the detested 30 something thieves. It will probably be one of the most memorable, if not the most, episode I've seen for quite a while.
 
07-31-12, 4:29 PM

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Leon-Gun said:
I think this can be answered easily with a "no they can't". One reality would replace the other one because summoning a Reality Marble is literally dragging someone into the caster's Personal Reality where the world's rules don't apply. Now which Reality Marble would be better is a good question. Rider's is very powerful and has less of a charging time to unleash, but Archer is ALWAYS using his in some form (his weapons all comes from his Reality Marble). Also, Rider can't keep it open if his army is taken out in large numbers because HE'S NOT A MAGE. Archer is an ctual Mage so he can use it to his full extent and you have to weaken Archer himself to get out unlike Rider's which disappears if enough of his army is taken out (though Gil can still break it with Ea since Ea is just hackz).


The greater mystery wins. That means Iskandar's inner world has the advantage to override Archer's.

After re-reading the novels again, I overlooked this:

Rider, who perceived the threat simply through instinct, pressed on Bucephalus' reins.
"It's coming!"
He yielded the first move to Archer. That was fine. Even though he yielded it, it was just one blow. Ionian Hetairoi would trample that lonely golden shadow without waiting for the next.


Rider allowed Gilgamesh to shoot first. A crucial mistake. It was weird before I noticed this, since he could manipulate the positions of his enemies and troops within the marble.

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They really tried to glorify the role of a tyrant selfish leader, while criticizing the altruistic self-doubting leader. Both are technically extremes of humanity itself, I really don't see how Iskandar is more "relatable" than Saber's.


If this was true, they would glorify Gilgamesh. The series does a good job to present the virtues and weakness of all sides.

Rider's greatest treasure is his bond with his followers; his desires are the same as theirs. That was what the reality marble was about: flawless cooperation. Just like Gilgamesh's path is forged on the great amount of treasures and possessions he had. Saber might care about her people, but she valued her own lofty ideals more than the relationships with them. That's how her power and figure is built on timeless ideals.

In the current ideas of management, Rider would be considered a so so leader, but still a leader. Saber wouldn't even really considered a leader at all since she fails in the basic foundation of modern leadership: communication.

Now she's still a king, so are Rider and Gilgamesh.
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08-09-12, 7:09 AM

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Best episode so far, I loved every bit of the dialogue!
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08-22-12, 8:25 AM

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Awesome episode. Saber is now my favorite female character I guess.

Saber in her doomed memory flashback in the spoiler: (1280*800)


Also loved Iskarian/Rider he was such a badass. Nice change, as he usually is just big words lol

Is Assassin really dead ? He seemed pretty weak overall lol

 
08-22-12, 8:46 AM

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Awesome episode. Saber is now my favorite female character I guess.

Saber in her doomed memory flashback in the spoiler: (1280*800)


Also loved Iskarian/Rider he was such a badass. Nice change, as he usually is just big words lol

Is Assassin really dead ? He seemed pretty weak overall lol

Yeah he/they is dead.With a good master that cares enough to use Assassins powers he would be able to do something more than catching Kiritsugu's bat.
Kiritsugu would be the perfect Master for the Assassin class.Now if he could do Assassin beat Gil,Rider in a fight it's very doubtful.Targeting the Masters would do the job.
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09-08-12, 4:20 PM

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Even in Real life alexander the great was a badass historical figure!
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09-12-12, 1:44 AM

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Hate to say this as a Saber fan, but she got owned. Like seriously owned.
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09-13-12, 9:13 AM

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Rider sure is awesome!
 
09-14-12, 2:00 AM

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Saber is way too idealistic.
 
09-14-12, 9:04 PM

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haha, Love Rider! I never liked the way Saber thought about her past, but Rider sure put it into words!

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09-15-12, 4:05 PM

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I don't agree with King Arthur(ia) way of thinking, so it was good to see Iskander leading all those servant in battle for him. That's what a King should be, a true leader respected by his people. I also like Gilgamesh in his evilness. Great dialogues in this episode and a fantastic reality marble.

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After watching this episode, it is certain, Rider(Iskandar) is my favorite character created by TYPE-MOON, there really is no contest about it, every moment with this character is just plain awesome.


Great character, also badass and brave.

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