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12-09-11, 11:30 PM

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TenkaseiRyo said:
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no i have repsect for thoese who show me it i like the Manga of DN but the anime has very bad pacing epiosde 1 Covers the whole of volume one of the Manga thats at lest 8 chapters


No it doesn't. Volume 1 of Death Note has 7 chapters and ends with the sequence with the bus hijack. The bus hijack is in Episode 4 of the anime. But then you never do bother with accuracy do you? lol...

108 chapters/37 episodes = Just under 3 chapters per episode. At the pace your suggesting the show would have been a 12 episode series. The reason your arguments are invalid so much of the time is because you miss BASIC facts like this.

Oh and the first high grossing Ghibli film in the West was Princess Mononoke, which was distributed by Miramax, not Disney.

if ther were paiceing issues why did the chronology of the story need to be messed with and you cannot stand up for the director for this if the pacing is as spot on as you why did the chronology need tweaking


Other than the slight change to the ending, there is no notable difference between the manga and anime. The chronology is the same...provide an example please.
 
12-10-11, 5:43 AM

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mellors said:
TenkaseiRyo said:
mellors said:
TenkaseiRyo said:
no i have repsect for thoese who show me it i like the Manga of DN but the anime has very bad pacing epiosde 1 Covers the whole of volume one of the Manga thats at lest 8 chapters


No it doesn't. Volume 1 of Death Note has 7 chapters and ends with the sequence with the bus hijack. The bus hijack is in Episode 4 of the anime. But then you never do bother with accuracy do you? lol...

108 chapters/37 episodes = Just under 3 chapters per episode. At the pace your suggesting the show would have been a 12 episode series. The reason your arguments are invalid so much of the time is because you miss BASIC facts like this.

Oh and the first high grossing Ghibli film in the West was Princess Mononoke, which was distributed by Miramax, not Disney.

if ther were paiceing issues why did the chronology of the story need to be messed with and you cannot stand up for the director for this if the pacing is as spot on as you why did the chronology need tweaking


Other than the slight change to the ending, there is no notable difference between the manga and anime. The chronology is the same...provide an example please.

i Inoue noted that, to best incorporate the manga's plot into the anime, he "tweak[ed] the chronology a bit" thats a quote form the director so you doubt the word of god
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12-10-11, 5:53 AM

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TenkaseiRyo said:
i Inoue noted that, to best incorporate the manga's plot into the anime, he "tweak[ed] the chronology a bit" thats a quote form the director so you doubt the word of god

That's still not an example. mellors is clearly asking for one, just provide it. I mean, if there's actually any difference...
 
12-10-11, 5:55 AM

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Tiago97 said:
TenkaseiRyo said:
i Inoue noted that, to best incorporate the manga's plot into the anime, he "tweak[ed] the chronology a bit" thats a quote form the director so you doubt the word of god

That's still not an example. mellors is clearly asking for an example, just provide it. I mean, if there's actually any difference...


they had to introduce the flashbacks forcing something in to the anime that was not in the manga

dis believe me look it up your self
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2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
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12-10-11, 6:00 AM

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TenkaseiRyo said:
Tiago97 said:
TenkaseiRyo said:
i Inoue noted that, to best incorporate the manga's plot into the anime, he "tweak[ed] the chronology a bit" thats a quote form the director so you doubt the word of god

That's still not an example. mellors is clearly asking for an example, just provide it. I mean, if there's actually any difference...


they had to introduce the flashbacks forcing something in to the anime that was not in the manga

dis believe me look it up your self

But that happens in every anime adaptation from a manga. And I like it a lot, TBH.
Plus, if flashbacks are there... that means the pacing is slow, not fast.
 
12-10-11, 6:09 AM

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no they were forced to do flash backs to slow the pace down so says word of god

i say 2.5 or more chapters per episode = bad pacing so standing up to my bad pacing augment with ohh the first epiosde only cover 4 chapters that is still excessive

how come we only seam be be focused on the pace isuues wwehn i brought up plenty of other things thats wrong with it muisc [ unfitting lyrics ]
my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
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12-10-11, 6:21 AM

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TenkaseiRyo said:
Tiago97 said:
TenkaseiRyo said:
i Inoue noted that, to best incorporate the manga's plot into the anime, he "tweak[ed] the chronology a bit" thats a quote form the director so you doubt the word of god

That's still not an example. mellors is clearly asking for an example, just provide it. I mean, if there's actually any difference...


they had to introduce the flashbacks forcing something in to the anime that was not in the manga

dis believe me look it up your self


Why should I have to look it up for myself? You're the one making that claim, so you're the one who should provide an ACTUAL example, not a quote from the director (that you probably made up like you usually do.) And even if flashbacks are occasionally used (though I don't remember any specifically, hence why I'd like proof) it's not neccessarily a bad thing. FMA: Brotherhood did that too. Though I'm sure you probably dislike FMA: B aswell.

And here's my evidence: The coal mining story (Chapter 3/Episode 9 in FMA 2003) was skipped in FMA: B, and then told quickly in a flashback with Yoki later on (sorry I don't remember the episode that flashback was in tbh.) You should be able to provide a similar example for DN.

And yeh the OP/ED songs in Death Note kinda sucked. Not that the OP and ED matter to how well something is adapted from the manga anyway, as they're not even part of the story.

But the background music soundtrack is pretty good, given anime generally have very bland ost's.
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12-10-11, 6:44 AM

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the staff selected elements to emphasize
when a staff is selective on what to emphasize that will mean they will be adataion imtodctce plot hole

: The anime omits several scenes from the manga, which while usually not problematic, have lead to plotholes. In the manga, it's explained that SPK member Ill Ratt is actually a spy for Mello, which is how the mafia learned the SPK's names and were able to kill them. This is not explained in the anime, but in the Relight 2 special, the mafia are cut, and Light blackmails the president to send their names to Kiyomi Takada. In this version, Light's meetings with her and Teru Mikami are moved to earlier than occurred in the anime, and they kill the SPK.
However, while fixing one plothole, said special creates another: as the mafia are cut, Soichiro making the trade for Shinigami Eyes and his subsequent death is omitted in the process, leaving plotholes regardingAdaptation Distillation: The Live-Action Adaptation streamlines the series a lot in order to fit the entire story into two movies, and in doing so jettisoned a fair amount of the excessive plot-and-counterplot (-and-countercounterplot-and-countercountercounterplot...) that made the struggle between L and Kira look less like a series of carefully played Xanatos Gambits and more like Xanatos Roulette. Particularly by removing entirely the matter of L's Heirs Near and Mello. Soichiro's absence as well as how Light was able to acquire Mello's



if it had less of this the adaption would have been better by far and by extension less mainstream it seams outside of Japan and other Asian nations more prefctly adapted stuff never gets put out the three best are ge999 oishinbo and kochi kame 1996 these are perfect scene for sece adaptions
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1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
12-10-11, 6:56 AM

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Thankyou for finally giving an example. Saying that, only this bit is relevant to the 37 episode anime adaptation.

TenkaseiRyo said:


: The anime omits several scenes from the manga, which while usually not problematic, have lead to plotholes. In the manga, it's explained that SPK member Ill Ratt is actually a spy for Mello, which is how the mafia learned the SPK's names and were able to kill them.


The rest refers to the "Relight" movies and the live action movies so is entirely irrelevant to the TV series. One or two minor changes to the TV anime version does not mean it has bad pacing, nor that it is a failed adaptation.

Ironically, you gave Elfen Lied an 8, a show which wanders off the manga, skips huge chunks, and moves at a far faster pace than Death Note. (I'm reading Chapter 53 atm, where "number 35" (Wheelchair girl) has just been introduced, something that happened in Episode 10 of the anime. I hope I don't have to do the maths on that one for you.)

And you also gave Hellsing an 8, which after Episode 3 is basically all filler followed by an anime original ending. They don't even get to the Nazi Vampires in that version. Source is king huh?

I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

And how accurate an adaptation something is has nothing to do with how mainstream it is.
 
12-10-11, 7:03 AM

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I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

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It's because it took a lot of time for the anime to be produced.
 
12-10-11, 7:07 AM

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Tiago97 said:
mellors said:
I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

I know this one!
It's because it took a lot of time for the anime to be produced.


Tiago97 said:
mellors said:
I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

I know this one!
It's because it took a lot of time for the anime to be produced.


Lol I hope to god he didn't say that. Cause anyone who knows anything about anime should realise by now thats usually a good thing. Most of the bad adaptations of manga come from the anime starting too soon so it's a good thing Madhouse were smart enough to let Monster's publication finish first...
 
12-10-11, 7:16 AM

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mellors said:
Tiago97 said:
mellors said:
I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

I know this one!
It's because it took a lot of time for the anime to be produced.
Lol I hope to god he didn't say that. Cause anyone who knows anything about anime should realise by now thats usually a good thing. Most of the bad adaptations of manga come from the anime starting too soon so it's a good thing Madhouse were smart enough to let Monster's publication finish first...

Oh, he did.

As for FMA, he doesn't like Brotherhood because he thinks it was just BONES' way to redeem themselves.
 
12-10-11, 7:23 AM

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mellors said:
Thankyou for finally giving an example. Saying that, only this bit is relevant to the 37 episode anime adaptation.

TenkaseiRyo said:


: The anime omits several scenes from the manga, which while usually not problematic, have lead to plotholes. In the manga, it's explained that SPK member Ill Ratt is actually a spy for Mello, which is how the mafia learned the SPK's names and were able to kill them.


The rest refers to the "Relight" movies and the live action movies so is entirely irrelevant to the TV series. One or two minor changes to the TV anime version does not mean it has bad pacing, nor that it is a failed adaptation.

Ironically, you gave Elfen Lied an 8, a show which wanders off the manga, skips huge chunks, and moves at a far faster pace than Death Note. (I'm reading Chapter 53 atm, where "number 35" (Wheelchair girl) has just been introduced, something that happened in Episode 10 of the anime. I hope I don't have to do the maths on that one for you.)

And you also gave Hellsing an 8, which after Episode 3 is basically all filler followed by an anime original ending. They don't even get to the Nazi Vampires in that version. Source is king huh?

I'm also curious why you gave Monster the anime a 5, and the manga a 10. When there are barely any changes at all in the anime, and the pacing is about 2 chapters per episode.

And how accurate an adaptation something is has nothing to do with how mainstream it is.


with elfin lied i admit they missed alot but t the producers is not push for the right to do a longer show and plus alot of mt score was based on muisc ans sound ab
nd plus the ebding og the anime there was still alomst 18 months of manga left
same hellsing was rear case with me i watched before i read so i rated in that mind
i dont re rate till i re watch the anime

monster took to long to adpted how well paced the story is in the anime thay could have ran side by side but the the procder payed it to safe and plus wasd nver a big fan of the casting for monster [ see point ten on my ratings]
as a seinen it amis at older fans and there was only one big name that olde otaku would know in that main cast most of the ones that were in it were in t3 or lower roles in the cast

bad production choices get bad marks from me [ i foucs on technical side of things rather tan enjoyment]
fyi i was planing to re watch hellsing which its marks tumble
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my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
12-10-11, 7:35 AM

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While I love do the Lithium theme in Elfen Lied, that you gave a high score to the show simply for the music is silly. I mean music is an important element for me too, but an amazing soundtrack does not make up for bad storytelling. It just means that I'd rather listen to the CD than watch the show.

So according to you it's ok to screw up the manga by running the anime at the same time, but it's totally a bad production choice to adapt the manga panel for panel because they were smart enough to let the manga finish first?

And in Monsters case, the only way they could have ran it alongside the manga is if they did 12 episode seasons every year, otherwise there would have been tons of filler. There are zero good reasons for running Monster at the same time as the manga. Zero.

And if anime used the seiyuu you recognised over and over, there would be no new voices at all. Which a) would be highly unfair on new voice actors, b) would make the industry even more stale than it already is. And imo Monster has great voicing.

When you say you focus on "technical" things, you basically mean you focus on nitpicking things that have little or no relevance to the shows overall quality.

You have outdone yourself in stupidity this time for sure! I do love arguing with you. Admittedly I've had deeper discussions with an orange, but that orange wasn't half as funny!
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12-10-11, 7:40 AM

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mellors said:
While I love do the Lithium theme in Elfen Lied, that you gave a high score to the show simply for the music is silly. I mean music is an important element for me too, but an amazing soundtrack does not make up for bad storytelling. It just means that I'd rather listen to the CD than watch the show.

So according to you it's ok to screw up the manga by running the anime at the same time, but it's totally a bad production choice to adapt the manga panel for panel because they were smart enough to let the manga finish first?

And in case, the only way they could have ran it alongside the manga is if they did 12 episode seasons every year, otherwise there would have been tons of filler. There are zero good reasons for running Monster at the same time as the manga. Zero.

And if anime used the seiyuu you recognised over and over, there would be no new voices at all. Which a) would be highly unfair on new voice actors, b) would make the industry even more stale than it already is. And imo Monster has great voicing.

When you say you focus on "technical" things, you basically mean you focus on nitpicking things that have little or no relevance to the shows overall quality.

You have outdone yourself in stupidity this time for sure! I do love arguing with you. Admittedly I've had deeper discussions with an orange, but that orange wasn't half as funny!


you miss read my point they did not need to waint cause the pacing was so spot on thats my main point

aabd the voices thing you have young people as gnera idea will not wtach seinen anime so putiing in younger voices in seinen show will cuase older people to not watch it so much

that is shown in how the new rupan anime falied so much thay tired it to intro duced younger voices in to roles younger fans wont like the art and older fans will not like how voices are changed
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my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
12-10-11, 7:50 AM

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And why was waiting a bad thing? Good things come to those who wait. And even with the spot on pace, the manga had 23 chapters a year, (162 chapters in 7 years) where if the anime ran weekly that would be 52 episodes x 2 chapters per ep = 104 chapters a year. Even the orange can see the problem there.

Good casting is based on which actors fit the roles, not on the level of fame they have.
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