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Dec 1, 2011 3:49 PM

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Redfoxoffire said:
they will release the first 13-episode Blu-ray box set of Fate/Zero on March 7th in North America, the same date as the Japanese release for the set.


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Retail price of the set is US $498.98, however, Right Stuf is offering the set for pre-order at US $369.98.


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Dec 1, 2011 3:50 PM

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jpem said:
Was excited until i saw the price.


Same.

$500? FOR ONLY 12 EPISODES?


I will make my own BD.
 
Dec 1, 2011 3:51 PM

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McRib said:
Put gas in my G8 for a month or buy Fate/Zero on Blu Ray.

Fuck....this is a tough decision.

Or sacrifice your upgrade plan for skyrim + gaming cost for quarter like certain people does... T___________T
 
Dec 1, 2011 3:54 PM

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jpem said:
Was excited until i saw the price.


Same.

$500? FOR ONLY 12 EPISODES?


I will make my own BD.


Loli rin order you to shut up.



btw just joking man.
 
Dec 1, 2011 4:06 PM

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FatherAnderson said:
I won't buy KnK for this price and I will not buy FZ for this price. Seriously, what the hell is this? Maybe they would get more sales over here if it wasn't so insanely expensive


More sales, for sure. More profit though? Who knows. You'd need to sell 10 copies for every 1 copy you sell of this to break even.

 
Dec 1, 2011 4:20 PM

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Inelastic demand from otaku, so no reason for Aniplex to charge a lower price.
 
Dec 1, 2011 4:29 PM

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Plus, Type Moon has as rabid a fanbase as there is, even in the West. There will be quite a few people who buy this.

 
Dec 1, 2011 4:32 PM

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Plus, Type Moon has as rabid a fanbase as there is, even in the West. There will be quite a few people who buy this.


I say forget the boxset and buy the PSP game since it is getting an NA release from Aksys or whatever they're called along with that Hakuouki game. ^_^ Its cheaper in the long run.
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Dec 1, 2011 4:34 PM

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Plus, Type Moon has as rabid a fanbase as there is, even in the West. There will be quite a few people who buy this.

Well 300 KnK import box is sold out last time they doing it.

And people need to be keep reminded this is R1 import release, its purpose is just to make your life easier if want buy the R1 box. Although its does have some kickass extras like translated booklet n note for drama CDs.

You all might get cheaper R2 release with dubs and stuff (much) later.
 
Dec 1, 2011 4:47 PM

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Welp guess I'll be sitting out on this one.
 
Dec 1, 2011 4:53 PM

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$500 for 13 episodes?
You're joking right?
 
Dec 1, 2011 5:03 PM

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did saber eat too much while on the filming set and now they're in debt or something? sheesh that's expensive for a box set.
 
Dec 1, 2011 5:03 PM

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I'd rather connect to a faster Internet provider.
 
Dec 1, 2011 5:21 PM

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Anime is my body and manga is my blood
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Unaware of loss, Nor aware of gain
Withstood pain to purchase BDs, waiting for one’s arrival
I have no regrets. This is the only path
My whole life was unlimited pricing works


WOOOSH and the forum is surrounded by a ring of fire.

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Meanwhile, on the Internet, 95% of viewers will download MKV rips.


Except UTW's subs are fabulously gorgeous. Shelling out $300+ for inferior quality translations =/. Morals and ethics be damned; that's just bad business.
 
Dec 1, 2011 5:47 PM

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Oh wow. I find it so cute that:

A) They claim that "there is a little market" for anime in Eu and America. And then put a pricetag that's insane.

B) blame pirates for lost sales. Well honestly. What would you chooce, pirate for 0,50$ (ish) or buy it for 1000 times as much (Yes, thats right. ONETHOUSANDFUCKINGDOLLARS!).

The day people stop to but shit for this amount of cash is the day we will start to se a anime for a better price. As of now, Manga has a way higher value

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Dec 1, 2011 5:49 PM

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I guess they need to combat reverse importing of the set too seeing as it'll be out relatively quickly, but that's still a little more than I would have expected. Still considering it though..
 
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fertygo said:

Or sacrifice your upgrade plan for skyrim + gaming cost for quarter like certain people does... T___________T

I just upgraded my PC last week for modern games too. Maybe I shouldn't have sprung for the i7-3930k and went with a 2600k instead.

Oh well...I guess I'll see if I have the cash then. But I doubt it...next up is tires and brakes which would get me 5 box sets of Fate/Zero by itself.
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Dec 1, 2011 6:34 PM

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Kikimaru said:
Meanwhile, on the Internet, 95% of viewers will download MKV rips.


Except UTW's subs are fabulously gorgeous. Shelling out $300+ for inferior quality translations =/. Morals and ethics be damned; that's just bad business.
You just don't get it, right? The point is, why bothering to buy a ticket to see a concert of your favourite singer when you actually already have the music and can listen to it whenever and wherever you want?
They are selling it to the ones who want to buy but not the ones who only want to have but don't want to pay.


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A) They claim that "there is a little market" for anime in Eu and America.

And it's true, if you mean a market that will actually buy things, at any price, low or high.

And then put a pricetag that's insane.

Because it's easier to find a couple hundred people willing to pay import prices (some of us already import anyway) than ten times as many to pay typical R1 prices.

B) blame pirates for lost sales.

I'll grant this is annoying, but it's something media companies are always going to say, whether they even believe it or not. Does anyone take that seriously anymore? Anyway, Aniplex's strategy is a response to the realities of piracy. People are going to download it even if they sold it for $60, so you might as well target the hardcore collector that'll buy no matter what.

For the record, I'm not anti-piracy at all. I think it serves many important purposes. But I am quite adamantly pro-buying stuff too. (I'm putting about $12k USD into JP BD and CD imports this year.)

Well honestly. What would you chooce, pirate for 0,50$ (ish) or buy it for 1000 times as much

I choose both. Download fansubs and import 3-6 shows a season. I utterly reject your false dichotomy.

(Yes, thats right. ONETHOUSANDFUCKINGDOLLARS!).

No, that's wrong actually. $370 * 2 != $1000.

The day people stop to but shit for this amount of cash is the day we will start to se a anime for a better price.

The day Japanese stop paying Japanese prices is the day you stop seeing anime, period. Japanese buyers and importers are subsidizing your cheap as dirt $60 R1 cour sets. R1s sure don't sell enough to pay production costs.

/Drunk ramble

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99 out of 100 people will be scared with that price.

$500.

^And they say anime is dying D:
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^ FUCKING THIS!

You guys wish to own the BDs at the same time as the japanese with the same amount of extras and everything...then you will pay the same price they have to pay for pretty much every anime that is ever released over there.
An individual BD volume in japan is approx $60 and more, the price for anime is pretty damn high but I guess I have a job for that reason...
They have different currency their, which means they look differently at money. Just like how they just spend their allowance in Coke Cans while I settle with Coke 8oz bottles. Got it?
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¬‿¬ And those guys who think they are elite because they watched (earlier or) more anime than others.

 
Dec 1, 2011 7:40 PM

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99 out of 100 people will be scared with that price.

But if 1 in 100 buys it, you'll probably do well at that price. That's the business model. I don't think it's perfect, but it works.
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Cashdaxxx said:
99 out of 100 people will be scared with that price.

But if 1 in 100 buys it, you'll probably do well at that price. That's the business model. I don't think it's perfect, but it works.
err no. The left 1 out of 100 will have 50/50 chance to buy or not to buy the merchandise.
Why are you watching the S2 of the anime that you loathe?
¬‿¬ And those guys who think they are elite because they watched (earlier or) more anime than others.

 
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jmal said:
But if 1 in 100 buys it, you'll probably do well at that price. That's the business model. I don't think it's perfect, but it works.
err no. The left 1 out of 100 will have 50/50 chance to buy or not to buy the merchandise.

Everyone has a 50/50 chance to buy anything (yes or no) you're defining it in such simplistic terms. And if we want to do "1 in 100" "50/50" hyper-generalized pseudo-statistics, let's take it a step further and admit that ~97 of those 99 people refuse to pay any price and never intended to buy their anime in the first place.

Aniplex has no interest in selling this release to the average casual fan who wants to pay $0-50 for an entire cour of anime and not a penny more. They want to sell it to a couple hundred hardcore collectors. So claiming they're making a mistake based on this price not satisfying a group they never considered in the first place is shouting into the wind. I'd never belittle someone for not being willing or able to pay such high prices, but it'd also be nice if such people realized Aniplex isn't selling it to you. Just go watch the streams or download the fansubs and you won't even need to think about it. But you're absolutely not getting a day-and-date JP-mirroring BD release loaded with extras for less than what the Japanese pay. It is just not going to happen.
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jmal said:
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jmal said:
But if 1 in 100 buys it, you'll probably do well at that price. That's the business model. I don't think it's perfect, but it works.
err no. The left 1 out of 100 will have 50/50 chance to buy or not to buy the merchandise.

Everyone has a 50/50 chance to buy anything (yes or no) you're defining it in such simplistic terms. And if we want to do "1 in 100" "50/50" hyper-generalized pseudo-statistics, let's take it a step further and admit that ~97 of those 99 people refuse to pay any price and never intended to buy their anime in the first place.

Aniplex has no interest in selling this release to the average casual fan who wants to pay $0-50 for an entire cour of anime and not a penny more. They want to sell it to a couple hundred hardcore collectors. So claiming they're making a mistake based on this price not satisfying a group they never considered in the first place is shouting into the wind. I'd never belittle someone for not being willing or able to pay such high prices, but it'd also be nice if such people realized Aniplex isn't selling it to you. Just go watch the streams or download the fansubs and you won't even need to think about it. But you're absolutely not getting a day-and-date JP-mirroring BD release loaded with extras for less than what the Japanese pay. It is just not going to happen.
Why so serious? ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌

Let's take this as an example, the 99 people read this thread, thought that they will never buy the BD's(because of the price). The 1in100 guy now has the choice of buying it or not(let's assume that he's on a pre-ordering site, and s/he has the money). Basically just what you said.

Same as on a food stand, the 99 would read the price and pass while the 1in100 guy stays there and ponder.
EDIT: what part did I say about the mispriced merchandise? I think you're talking to the wrong guy.
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For that amount of cash, I certainly hope Saber, Irisviel and Sola Ui come out of the screen and perform sexual favors for the buyers. Otherwise, totally not worth it.

Seriously, though, I get all the reasons for the pricing, but if an affordable set isn't released a couple of years down the road, that really sucks for people who do want to own a physical copy and just simply cannot pay this outrageous amount.
 
Dec 1, 2011 9:11 PM

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...Those prices man :/
 
Dec 1, 2011 9:13 PM

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so does this come with everything the japanese box comes with? too lazy to check.
if it does i suppose i'll have to pick it up. extras are what make buying anime so fun for me, so if this doesn't have everything i'd just import.

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Except UTW's subs are fabulously gorgeous. Shelling out $300+ for inferior quality translations =/. Morals and ethics be damned; that's just bad business.


lol ok.
 
Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM

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I'm glad I never got into the Fate series. (I couldn't really finish F/SN because of Shiro)
That price is pretty expensive, but it's to be expected considering it gets out the same day as the Japanese one. So other than that, it's a good deal if you're an importer because it's less of a hassle.

Fans who are buying this: enjoy your F/Z Blu-ray Box~! :D
 
Dec 1, 2011 10:09 PM

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Meanwhile, on the Internet, 95% of viewers will download MKV rips.


in soviet russia, MKV rips download viewers
 
Dec 1, 2011 10:13 PM

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Jeez...shit's getting expensive...

I swear, everytime one of these release notices for some anime comes up, the prices go higher and higher. -.-V
 
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>Buying anime.

Nope.
 
Dec 1, 2011 10:58 PM

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That's more than the Blu-Ray machine itself...or even a PS3.

What.
 
Dec 1, 2011 11:26 PM

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When I first saw the thread title, I started to jump with joy. When I read that the box set will include the extras, I started to scream, "Hallelujah! I am so buying this!" Then, I saw the price and went.... :o

I would buy it but... seriously?! This is more expensive than buying a new gaming system (and it's not even the whole series)... hell, even my laptop is cheaper than this! WTF, seriously? I generally consider myself to be a huge supporter of the anime industry, but with prices this high in this economy for a luxury good, then you guys can forget it. Go back to marketing class, please.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
 
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With that kind of price for an import, only anime fans that have a huge income will most likely to buy this. As much as I predicted that Aniplex of America is licensing and distributing Fate/Zero but I did not expect them to do an import like they did with Kara no Kyoukai.
I would love to buy it but it's beyond expensive for a 13-episode series plus the extra stuff for a Blu-ray. Too bad I don't have a blu-ray player. :P

I was hoping for an English Dub for this series since Fate/stay night has been out in North America a few years ago but I guess it's too soon for an english dub.
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lol so many ignorant... Well this is MAL.
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so does this come with everything the japanese box comes with? too lazy to check.
if it does i suppose i'll have to pick it up. extras are what make buying anime so fun for me, so if this doesn't have everything i'd just import.
Its does, booklets n stuff is even translated.
 
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Do I want it? Yes. Am I glad that shit actually is being sold state side? Yes.

Buying something for half a grand that shouldn't be more than $2-300 (for 13 episodes and a few bonus')? Unfortunately not.
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Dec 2, 2011 2:59 AM

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Seeing as how it worked for Kara no Kyoukai, Aniplex is probably expecting the same trick to work a second time for Fate/Zero. (And I won't in the least bit be surprised if it does sell out like KnK).

Anyway, this is one show off my wishlist.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a possible dub in the future, improbable as that may be...
 
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lol so many ignorant... Well this is MAL.


They werent paying attention for 1/54000th of a second, obviously.

Unfortunately I can't afford it. I could get an apartment and pay several bills with that amount. Definitely something I can live without.

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I think some people never heard of something like this "Kara no Kyoukai Blu-ray Box Sold Out in the US" and the item itself costs about 1000$.


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I think some people never heard of something like this "Kara no Kyoukai Blu-ray Box Sold Out in the US" and the item itself costs about 1000$.

LOL.. no.

The KnK box is around this one prices, n only available for 300 pcs or similar.

This one will have very limited stock like those KnK box I assume, which is why many retarded and ignorant post on this thread (and maybe in other site like ANN) is disgusting.
 
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Why so serious? ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌

Yeah I know right, why give anyone a serious answer on the internet? ::sigh:: Why is it only ever "so serious" when the other person replies, not when the person claiming "so serious" posts?

EDIT: what part did I say about the mispriced merchandise? I think you're talking to the wrong guy.

It's a general "you", as in the people complaining here when they know they were never going to buy it anyway.

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Go back to marketing class, please.

Like this person. Aniplex knows exactly what they're doing. They don't need to go back to marketing class because they weren't trying to sell it to you in the first place.

Maybe you should attend some marketing classes and brush up on the idea of target markets.

I bet anything this eventually sells out however many they planned to sell (a couple hundred, probably). The more they do this, the more they build up a customer base who is used to it and willing to pay. It'll be small, but the customer base in Japan is small too. There are definitely people out there who are curious about importing, but who don't want to navigate foreign websites and international shipping. That was me for a while, before I jumped in full-tilt and am now import-only. Those are the people Aniplex is after... and they don't need to be numerous.
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I'm not even paying that much for Madoka Limited Edition...
 
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jmal said:

guyklc said:
Go back to marketing class, please.

Like this person. Aniplex knows exactly what they're doing. They don't need to go back to marketing class because they weren't trying to sell it to you in the first place.

Maybe you should attend some marketing classes and brush up on the idea of target markets.


Maybe you should learn what price discrimination is. Just because such high prices can get them by in Japan doesn't mean they can get by with the American market. How else do you explain why an entire series of anime in the US costs less than TWO episodes of the same series in Japan? Let me remind you that when Lucky Star was brought to America (and that show has a HUGE fanbase), the limited edition sold for like $100 each (I think, been awhile so don't remember exact amount), it FLOPPED big time. American anime fans are NOT willing to pay as much as their Japanese counterparts.

Also, they're not targeting me, are you sure? Do you know how big of an anime fan I am? Do you know how much anime merchandises I buy imported from Japan? No? Then stop acting like a pretentious asshole as if you know me.

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I bet anything this eventually sells out however many they planned to sell (a couple hundred, probably). The more they do this, the more they build up a customer base who is used to it and willing to pay. It'll be small, but the customer base in Japan is small too. There are definitely people out there who are curious about importing, but who don't want to navigate foreign websites and international shipping. That was me for a while, before I jumped in full-tilt and am now import-only. Those are the people Aniplex is after... and they don't need to be numerous.


The anime supporters here in America is very likely to be much smaller than the amount of anime supporters in Japan. Anime may be a niche market in both countries, but it definitely has a bigger market in Japan. In other words, anime supporters in America are a very small minority in an already very small niche market, and Aniplex's decisions are alienating many of them (myself and many others here included). Not a clever marketing plan.

But that's fine. Let's wait and see how this will turn out.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
 
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I'll get it depending on how much I'll get for Christmas. I'll also wait for a sale.
 
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Well if you look at how the price of movies, be they VHS, DVDs, or Blu-rays, have stayed at a pretty constant rate; if you were to add 15 years of inflation that should seem like a reasonable price. But downloading them and storing stuff on a external is so convenient.
 
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Maybe you should learn what price discrimination is. Just because such high prices can get them by in Japan doesn't mean they can get by with the American market.

What you refuse to understand is that this is not for "the American market" (broadly) in the same way that a typical bare-bones dirt-cheap R1 set is. This is for a subset of the American market that is willing to pay more than the $0-60 the vast majority of the market willing to pay. Cheap R1 releases have to be aimed at a broad market because they're so cheap that it has to be made up with raw numbers. That's the opposite of this strategy.

That a jobless teen or broke college student (which is, basically, much of the US anime market, and there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself) gets on MAL and fires up their rage machine about how "greedy" Aniplex is, is utterly irrelevant to Aniplex. They know such people aren't interested, and will never buy it. Do you really think their business model is based on selling 5,000 or more or these?

Let me remind you that when Lucky Star was brought to America (and that show has a HUGE fanbase), the limited edition sold for like $100 each (I think, been awhile so don't remember exact amount), it FLOPPED big time.

This comparison is all the proof anyone needs to see that you don't understand the business model at all.

Third party licenses paid for by foreign (non-Japanese) companies are fundamentally different from what Aniplex is doing here. Aniplex is taking the same exact release they already distribute in Japan, slapping a translated booklet and menus on the BDs, and shipping a couple hundred copies stateside to TRSI to sell to import-curious fans who are willing to pay import prices but don't want to deal with international shipping/fees/foreign websites. Aniplex undertakes almost no risk and needs to pay none of the usual third party license fees, while Bandai paid an undisclosed sum for Lucky Star, and despite report of it selling well (in terms of absolute numbers), they didn't move enough to make back their costs. They also dubbed it, which is an additional huge cost (i.e. risk) Aniplex doesn't need to worry about.

Oh and your memory on Lucky Star's pricing is completely off. $65 for v1 and $50 each for 2-6 with normal priced REs offered as well. And readily available at 30-40% off at online retailers.

So, remind me, what was that about a Lucky Star comparison again?

Also, they're not targeting me, are you sure? Do you know how big of an anime fan I am? Do you know how much anime merchandises I buy imported from Japan? No? Then stop acting like a pretentious asshole as if you know me.

You're not a frequent anime BD importer, or if you are you're suffering selective memory loss, because this is utterly normal pricing.

In other words, anime supporters in America are a very small minority in an already very small niche market, and Aniplex's decisions are alienating many of them (myself and many others here included). Not a clever marketing plan.

They have no reason to fear alienating people who they never intended to sell to in the first place.

Know what a stupid marketing plan is? Relying on your "average R1 anime supporter" at all. Sell the license to shit Funi's near monopoly for a pittance, then have them be lucky to move 3,000 units at bargain basement prices. Even though you can make the same sales with a couple hundred of these sets, and don't have to split the money with anyone but a single retailer.

I'm sure Aniplex will be beating down your door to offer you a marketing strategist position. Any minute now.

Aaaaaany minute now...
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so does this come with everything the japanese box comes with? too lazy to check.
if it does i suppose i'll have to pick it up. extras are what make buying anime so fun for me, so if this doesn't have everything i'd just import.
Its does, booklets n stuff is even translated.
BUENO

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I'll also wait for a sale.
i'd be surprised if they have extras to sell at full price, let alone reduced.
 
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EDIT: what part did I say about the mispriced merchandise? I think you're talking to the wrong guy.

It's a general "you", as in the people complaining here when they know they were never going to buy it anyway.

What I'm talking about is that Aniplex still sells anime especially in America, where anime is frequently* downloaded rather than bought(Distance Issues). Which takes me to the conclusion that anime still sells ignoring the high price so therefore NOT DEAD. Seriously I never complained, you can reread my posts if you want. And stop quoting someone's post if you are talking to the "GENERAL YOU".

* - That's what I've observed.
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Its expensive.
 
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kinda want. but damn.. thats a lot more than i want to pay. especially when ive been let down by the first season so far (high expectations ftl)
Dont bother replying to my posts in forums, dont check them afterwards.

 
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