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| Well, it's always seemed strange to me that Takakura couple sits in some small cheap restaurant all the time. ^^' Btw, the "cute" funeral scene with Himari annoyed me a bit. Of course, it's cute in its own way, it's metaphorical and it claims the start of Kanba's deep love for Himari. But just imagine it. You're a 10 year old boy who's lost his father and then some kind of a girl with whom you have to live from now on just puts on a plaster on your cheek and says that it won't hurt anymore? How sarcastic. I'd push such a person back or start crying even more. ^^' |
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| This show has been obliterating my tear ducts these last few weeks. |
StarryKite said: Btw, the "cute" funeral scene with Himari annoyed me a bit. Of course, it's cute in its own way, it's metaphorical and it claims the start of Kanba's deep love for Himari. But just imagine it. You're a 10 year old boy who's lost his father and then some kind of a girl with whom you have to live from now on just puts on a plaster on your cheek and says that it won't hurt anymore? How sarcastic. ' They are even younger back then. Shouma and Kanba are 6 years old and Himari is only 3. I think it's even more amazing how mature all the kids are in this show. It's some heavy thoughts going through their minds. I hope to see why Kanba left the Natsume family, his real brother and sister. |
| Oh. I was pretty amazed when some people were talking about Himari being 3 years younger than Takakura siblings (it's a cliche already, sorry ^^') which sets her as only 13. Come on, girls in 13 can't be so clever and reasonable and lovely. And Kanba's obsession feels a bit unnatural this way - I can't imagine a 16 year old guy falling for a 13 year old child. She's been described in some versions being 14, however, I think that's closer. Also she's even claimed in Penguindrum TvTropes page as a part of Wise Beyond Her Years trope. ^-^ Well, his father died, and his grandpa was a mess of evil insanity, as we know already. Plus since he's rejected his son, it's natural he also rejected his grandson too. No wonder Takakuras decided to take Kanba in, especially since he's already been a close friend of Shouma and Himari. But then! Why haven't they done a thing about Masako and Mario? Of course, raising 5 kids at once would've been insane, but that's just dishonest this way! |
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maca1989 said: Isn't it weird that the princess entrusts her heart to Kanba and not to Shouma? Somehow, I get the feeling that Kanba really despises Shouma from the start. (...) However, I believe hope is not lost for Shouma since he really might have a chance to save Kanba and Himari. Shouma in this state is more like the underdog; if he were able to get out of his carried burden and worries, he might be able to pull it off. With Ikuhara's track record of making unexpected plot twists, Shouma might even be playing Momoka in this generation. Excellent comment, if i may say. ;) And i do agree in everything you said. ´ I still think Kanba somehow cares for Shouma, but obviously his love for Himari surpasses everything. I think all the hardships Kanba´s been through made him cold. Also, if i recall, in episode 12 the princess says to him "The Scorpion soul light shines red" while grabbing the light in his chest. I went to see the symbolism of Scorpions and i found in a page this: "It represents the world in its harshest most destructive nature, and yet with a very protective nature. There is no cruelty in the scorpion. It is simple, emotionless, and deadly at the same time. Cold-blooded simplicity at its finest". which quite fits Kanba since he has the scorpion soul. It is true that the princess hints that only him can save Himari, but we all know that she never, not even once tried the survival strategy with Shou, and my question is why? Because he was Himari´s fated one? The Diary is surely important, but i do wonder why Sanetoshi didnt burn the half that Masako has with her. and also, what is penguindrum? The princess says in ep. 17 to Kanba that "the penguindrum is your...". In the same episode, curiously she says if they dont get the penguindrum someonein their family will receive the punishment. Someone. she didnt say specifically Himari. So thinking twice, i do think if someone dies it will not be Himari but Kanba or Shouma. It would be another troll XD |
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| Episode Title - The Door of Fate we Chose Random sign - "You can choose as you..."  And those dolls from hell?  Where is the white colored doll?  |
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| It's good to know that the meetings between Kanba and his parents were only an illusion since I've always doubted that they would show themselves so carelessly in public. It was pretty sad to see the family falling apart even if it wasn't a real one in the first place. Again the subject of choice was brought up. Kanba was chosen by Kenzan but apparently it turned out to be the wrong one and ended fatally just like the choice Shoma made to make Himari a family member will lead to her death. On another note, the ending song was really catchy this time. They also included the penguins and the bears which made me wonder which role these bears play despite being part of Himari's transformation scene. |
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| Someone who'll take the punishment is Masako, I guess. And the bears creep me out. o.o |
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| That really makes sense, but still Masako and Mario felt miserably without their brother and father. I still can't even imagine what role will Mario play. |
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| Terrifying episode as usual. The developments were fantastic and Kanba is such an awesome character. Top-notch music and direction also. |
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| wonder if shouma will go action mode now :/ |
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| Yeah, Yuri's washing machine just wins. :D See, guys, we're at 21 station out of 24, and still it's so hard to predict what's the Penguindrum. I can't even really say whether it's an object, or a living character or maybe smth non-physical that belongs to one of them (like Kanba's scorpio heart - i.e. his love for Himari). And yeah, I also guess that Himari isn't such a... playgirl to just forget Shouma after years of endless love and immediately fall for Kanba, BUT it's prety true that Princess might have developed feelings for him. |
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-I wonder why we weren't see his face-that reporter. Because he was Yamashita's dad. :( |
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| Completely share opinions with andrael on this matter. |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| Wait... the murdered man as Yamashita's dad (for those who forgot - Shouma's faceless friend with same dark hair)? That does make sense! |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| Btw, I love MP to death etc., but all that MASS of tricks and trolling (also very unnatural ones like Kanba being alike to Kenzan when they're not related) brought me an impression that the anime's sole purpose is just shock'n'surprise attacks. -_- |
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YayPepsi said: lol, faceless characters unite! xD-I wonder why we weren't see his face-that reporter. Because he was Yamashita's dad. :( |
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PaninaManina said: Sp he was hypnotized after all. This is the same trick used in the movie Boy oldy Kanba was hypnotized. One Million Euros Question - Who is this man? Kenzan? About my doubt that I still had about having "two" Kenzan, my friend Deus Ex Machina just explained me. Occam's Razor Prize for him. Dumb Prize for me. Now I mentioned what you said and it's possible that the other man is in fact just a twin copy to be used as a decoy. That much may make sense if you are a big shot and are targeted. I am assuming it was for that reason. So now can my twins theory apply and is it possible that the ones that is dead is the real father of Kanba but some other body put there to mislead? It may be possible as Pinforce already changed their name to Kiga to mislead the authorities. Why not fake death then? IMO Kanba's parents may be alive just the hypnotism made it that the place was still brand new. We have no way realistically speaking to find out if the body is the real one of Kenzan or not. Despite all the clues and talk. Deception is still strong in the air. |
| damn, what an epic episodes, i need to get this episode into my head properly, it was just so emotional, dramtic!!! |
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Everybody is soooooooooooo going on my nerves. Kanba is blind and insane Shoma lost all his will to fight, Himari is playing a hero(ine), and Ringo is just like an annoying add-on. GAHHHHHHHHH I hate when somebody fail to achieve something they tried so hard to accomplish. THIS IS SO UNFAIR |
| Until recently I thought the Sanetoshi was not evil, he was neutral. As I said episodes ago, it seemed only interfere to make the characters act. Matched up with the idea of the frozen world, with everyone trying to ignore or forget the bad things that had happened. Then came Sanetoshi and encouraged them to resolve their outstanding issues. But now it was clear that he is not only interfering, he is manipulating the current situation to achieve a particular goal. Moreover, he says he tried the same years ago, so that incident was also encouraged by him. Was he really the ghost of an Emperor Penguin? Penguimdrum is putting many ideas in my head to write articles. One is about heroes and antiheroes. Have you noticed how the show has all kinds of heroes and villains? Shouma - hero who has a good goal but does not use others' lives to attain it. Kanba - hero who has a good goal and uses the lives of others to attain it. Sanetoshi - bad guy with a questionable goal and using others' lives to attain it. Tabuk - bad guy with a questionable goal but does not use others' lives to attain it. Kenzan - villain with a bad goal that tried to attain it at all costs. Yumekichi11 said: Now I mentioned what you said and it's possible that the other man is in fact just a twin copy to be used as a decoy. That much may make sense if you are a big shot and are targeted. I am assuming it was for that reason. So now can my twins theory apply and is it possible that the ones that is dead is the real father of Kanba but some other body put there to mislead? It may be possible as Pinforce already changed their name to Kiga to mislead the authorities. Why not fake death then? IMO Kanba's parents may be alive just the hypnotism made it that the place was still brand new. We have no way realistically speaking to find out if the body is the real one of Kenzan or not. Despite all the clues and talk. Deception is still strong in the air. Even if he is being deceived, Kanba is still crazy. PS: the name of the movie is "Old Boy". |
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andrael said: amginex said: not really feeling sorry for shouma. he makes the stupidest decision in this series. its annoying, all he ever think about is himself. ... fought with kanba when he's doing everything to save himari Um, Shouma didn't fight with Kanba just to be mean. He was angry because Kanba has joined a mass-murdering terrorist organization and directly participated in murder. No matter how you spin it, this is wrong and will only end up bringing more misery to his loved ones. And if Kanba is really "doing everything to save Himari", why didn't he just accept Masako's offer when she told him she'd give him the money he needs? Isn't it better to swallow your pride and accept help rather than become a mass murderer? Not doubting Kanba's love, but there's certainly some selfishness in his decisions too. THIS;D Seriously, i love both Kanba and Shouma, but if we think that Shou is being selfish, than Momoka was selfish too. Shou might be inert for now, but he will recover somehow, i hope. To those who think that being the son of a murderer is easy, forget it. ofc Shou will suffer from guilty till the end. Still i believe that guilty will be replaced by his love for Himari and Kanba at the end. Shou is always trying to get away from the people he loves, because he thinks he will bring them bad luck, but later he always realizes his harsh words and tried to fix things, like he did with Ringo. And Kanba rejected Masako´s money which is even more stupid than Shou´s actions. Instead of accepting the money of a person that loves you ands cares and trusts you, plus, a money that is rightfully yours since you´re blood related, he chose to go with a mass murder organization. and the worst of it is that when Himari arrived there Kanba does not even send her away in panic( because that´s definitely a place where she shouldn't be). So who´s the selfish, Kan or Shou? Still i want to believe that Kanba will open his eyes and let Himari, Shou and Masako save him and take him back home ;_; |
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| Another awesomely intense episode :O I can't believe there is only 3 episodes left tho. TT^TT Himari is trying to save Kanba..I get the feeling she is going to die tho. =/ Maybe Kanba will also die and then in the end Shoma will be all alone. :( (Ringo will be there probably but still...) have to wait and see. Dx [the Penguins are toooooooooo cute tho!!!!♥] |
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randomperson2229 said: PaninaManina said: Kenzan - villain with a bad goal that tried to attain it at all costs. Eh, I'm not so sure on that. Sure, bombing the subway is bad and it killed Momoka, but Kenzan (especially judging from episode 20) seemed to be trying to make the world a better place, trying to change the world because it has awful things like the child broiler and a dichotomous (only two types of people, successful or unsuccessful) mentality. I would describe him more as a well-intentioned extremist. There are a VERY BIG difference in make the world in a better place to live, HELP others in need and start a vigilante crusade to eradicate evil from the world. That is fight against evil with evil itself. The worthy are you to spread the good that it will multiply. |
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| awesome episode as usual, but, there is only one question i still quite curious about.. we all know now that Himari and Kanba aren't the real Takakura's children, but, is Shoma the is the real biological one, or is he also adopted?? |
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| This is gonna ruin Christmas for everyone. Calling it, it's gonna be that bad. Great episode though. |
millo said: awesome episode as usual, but, there is only one question i still quite curious about.. we all know now that Himari and Kanba aren't the real Takakura's children, but, is Shoma the is the real biological one, or is he also adopted?? Shou is the biological son of Takakura family. |
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amginex said: not really feeling sorry for shouma. he makes the stupidest decision in this series. its annoying, all he ever think about is himself. he couldnt get the diary from ringo when ringo fell in love with him, he rejected her even when he likes her too fought with kanba when he's doing everything to save himari oh yea, he couldnt save himari and he basically kicked himari out and why? eh 3 more epi, hopefully he redeems himself I'm not going to argue against the 'Shouma makes bad decisions' point, because he does, but I really disagree about him only thinking about himself. On the contrary, it seems that he makes the decisions he does because he's constantly trying to make everyone else happy, even if it's in ways they themselves don't want. That's not to say he's completely selfless, but his selfish reasons for doing things seem to be subconscious. - He couldn't get the diary from Ringo because he didn't want to just take it from her (which could either be out of consideration for her feelings, or because of his own morals) - He rejected Ringo because he's convinced that if he didn't, bad things would happen to her- obviously, he decided that whatever those bad things are, they're worse than hurting her feelings a bit. - Like someone else said, Kanba is doing everything he can to save Himari iin illegal ways. Considering the opinions Shouma's shown about their parents' activities and the lasting effects of them, Kanba doing what he is must seem like a huge betrayal. I would punch my brother if he got into stuff like that, no matter what the reason, and I don't even have some obvious issues I need to work through to blame for it. xP - Kanba isn't really getting results on that front either. - Considering their source of income was coming from Kanba's activities, and Kanba has left home at this point, Shouma probably thought that sending Himari to live with their Uncle, where she'd at least not have to worry about financial stability, was the best thing he could do for her. |
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Yumekichi11 said: PaninaManina said: Sp he was hypnotized after all. This is the same trick used in the movie Boy oldy Kanba was hypnotized. One Million Euros Question - Who is this man? Kenzan? About my doubt that I still had about having "two" Kenzan, my friend Deus Ex Machina just explained me. Occam's Razor Prize for him. Dumb Prize for me. Now I mentioned what you said and it's possible that the other man is in fact just a twin copy to be used as a decoy. That much may make sense if you are a big shot and are targeted. I am assuming it was for that reason. So now can my twins theory apply and is it possible that the ones that is dead is the real father of Kanba but some other body put there to mislead? It may be possible as Pinforce already changed their name to Kiga to mislead the authorities. Why not fake death then? IMO Kanba's parents may be alive just the hypnotism made it that the place was still brand new. We have no way realistically speaking to find out if the body is the real one of Kenzan or not. Despite all the clues and talk. Deception is still strong in the air. No, I disagree, I'm pretty sure Kanba is not being hypnotized when he sees his parents. They gave a big hint that his hallucinations are caused by his own mind in the scene with the Himari's old doctor and Sanetoshi (which happens right after Himari finds the dead bodies) Sanetoshi: Do you believe ghosts exist? Dr. Washizuka: I'm a doctor after all, I don't believe in unscientific things Sanetoshi: Apparently there's a man who sees dead people. He even talks to them Dr. Washizuka: It must be the effects of visual and auditory hallucinations. An illusion caused by a strong desire to see someone again. Besides, it makes sense that Kanba would see hallucinations of his fake parents. Based on the last scene (his real father didn't accept him), and previous scenes from the anime (him going with is fake father to take Himari to the hospital), Kanba seemed to really love Kenzan and Chiemi. Also, why would Kiga group need Kanba as their leader enough to hypnotize him in the first place? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're over thinking it |
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PaninaManina said: My thoughts exactly. I was actually hoping he was more of a good guy in the beginning, because I figured he would want to help Himari. After this episode.. I like him even less XD Until recently I thought the Sanetoshi was not evil, he was neutral. As I said episodes ago, it seemed only interfere to make the characters act. Matched up with the idea of the frozen world, with everyone trying to ignore or forget the bad things that had happened. Then came Sanetoshi and encouraged them to resolve their outstanding issues. But now it was clear that he is not only interfering, he is manipulating the current situation to achieve a particular goal. Moreover, he says he tried the same years ago, so that incident was also encouraged by him. On another note, there were so many things I was sad to find out in this episode! - Kanba doing all of those sketchy things and even killing people? :c - Kanba and Masako being related >< - The family splitting up..especially Himari leaving!! I actually like Shouma more than I like Kanba but I wish he took more action. He has good intentions and just wants to make everyone happy, but the choices he makes could be better x_x What is he doing telling Himari to leave when he wanted her to get better so badly?! I really didn't like that he gave up!! D; The flashback with Himari and Kanba at the funeral was also very sad, but I loved every second of it! jasldkfjal;sdjfl;ajkkjdgas;lf Now a whole nother week to wait through ahhhhh T_T |
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| Gosh, I hate Kanba. I'm really curious how they'll wrap up the series in 3 episodes. Oh the one-week wait for a new episode, fun. >> |
KumoriDay said: Yumekichi11 said: PaninaManina said: No, I disagree, I'm pretty sure Kanba is not being hypnotized when he sees his parents. They gave a big hint that his hallucinations are caused by his own mind in the scene with the Himari's old doctor and Sanetoshi (which happens right after Himari finds the dead bodies)This is the same trick used in the movie Boy oldy Kanba was hypnotized. One Million Euros Question - Who is this man? Kenzan? About my doubt that I still had about having "two" Kenzan, my friend Deus Ex Machina just explained me. Now I mentioned what you said and it's possible that the other man is in fact just a twin copy to be used as a decoy. That much may make sense if you are a big shot and are targeted. I am assuming it was for that reason. So now can my twins theory apply and is it possible that the ones that is dead is the real father of Kanba but some other body put there to mislead? It may be possible as Pinforce already changed their name to Kiga to mislead the authorities. Why not fake death then? IMO Kanba's parents may be alive just the hypnotism made it that the place was still brand new. We have no way realistically speaking to find out if the body is the real one of Kenzan or not. Despite all the clues and talk. Deception is still strong in the air. Sanetoshi: Do you believe ghosts exist? Dr. Washizuka: I'm a doctor after all, I don't believe in unscientific things Sanetoshi: Apparently there's a man who sees dead people. He even talks to them Dr. Washizuka: It must be the effects of visual and auditory hallucinations. An illusion caused by a strong desire to see someone again. Besides, it makes sense that Kanba would see hallucinations of his fake parents. Based on the last scene (his real father didn't accept him), and previous scenes from the anime (him going with is fake father to take Himari to the hospital), Kanba seemed to really love Kenzan and Chiemi. Also, why would Kiga group need Kanba as their leader enough to hypnotize him in the first place? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're over thinking it yumekichi11 said: Well said but you missed the point that Kiga need Kanba enough to bring under control. Among the methods being that of Himari's life in danger and that she needs money for that. This being said you are right about the doctor talk indeed. It could be a abnormal psychological effect but it may be one of supernatural benefits as to communicate beyond the grave to his parents as to finish what they started. We can further with no over thinking that it's possible that the parents cannot rest beyond the world and are stuck roaming the earth in light of Nirvana and reaching God. That being said, it only applies if the real Kenzan is dead. There is also the mother which I did not see a body for. That may mean she is alive. She might be. Could be a nice hope if so. |
Yumekichi11Dec 2, 2011 7:03 PM
Yumekichi11 said: KumoriDay said: Yumekichi11 said: PaninaManina said: No, I disagree, I'm pretty sure Kanba is not being hypnotized when he sees his parents. They gave a big hint that his hallucinations are caused by his own mind in the scene with the Himari's old doctor and Sanetoshi (which happens right after Himari finds the dead bodies)This is the same trick used in the movie Boy oldy Kanba was hypnotized. One Million Euros Question - Who is this man? Kenzan? About my doubt that I still had about having "two" Kenzan, my friend Deus Ex Machina just explained me. Now I mentioned what you said and it's possible that the other man is in fact just a twin copy to be used as a decoy. That much may make sense if you are a big shot and are targeted. I am assuming it was for that reason. So now can my twins theory apply and is it possible that the ones that is dead is the real father of Kanba but some other body put there to mislead? It may be possible as Pinforce already changed their name to Kiga to mislead the authorities. Why not fake death then? IMO Kanba's parents may be alive just the hypnotism made it that the place was still brand new. We have no way realistically speaking to find out if the body is the real one of Kenzan or not. Despite all the clues and talk. Deception is still strong in the air. Sanetoshi: Do you believe ghosts exist? Dr. Washizuka: I'm a doctor after all, I don't believe in unscientific things Sanetoshi: Apparently there's a man who sees dead people. He even talks to them Dr. Washizuka: It must be the effects of visual and auditory hallucinations. An illusion caused by a strong desire to see someone again. Besides, it makes sense that Kanba would see hallucinations of his fake parents. Based on the last scene (his real father didn't accept him), and previous scenes from the anime (him going with is fake father to take Himari to the hospital), Kanba seemed to really love Kenzan and Chiemi. Also, why would Kiga group need Kanba as their leader enough to hypnotize him in the first place? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're over thinking it yumekichi11 said: Well said but you missed the point that Kiga need Kanba enough to bring under control. Among the methods being that of Himari's life in danger and that she needs money for that. This being said you are right about the doctor talk indeed. It could be a abnormal psychological effect but it may be one of supernatural benefits as to communicate beyond the grave to his parents as to finish what they started. We can further with no over thinking that it's possible that the parents cannot rest beyond the world and are stuck roaming the earth in light of Nirvana and reaching God. That being said, it only applies if the real Kenzan is dead. There is also the mother which I did not see a body for. That may mean she is alive. She might be. Could be a nice hope if so. Uh, no I'm pretty sure Chiemi is dead. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvlfriEZ6I1qiqm72.jpg Unless Kenzan had three hands. Also, throughout MWP, the theme of breaking fate is prevalent. It wouldn't fit the theme if this whole time Kanba had just been hypnotized into helping the Kiga group. It makes more sense, and fits the story better, if he joined the group out of his own free will. I mean, he had a good enough reason to, he wants the money to save Himari. Hypnotizing would be unnecessary. |
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KumoriDay said: OH SHIT! I missed that, was really tired due to the posts I made on Haganai and Guilty Crown. You are right she may have not survived it in that case.http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvlfriEZ6I1qiqm72.jpg Unless Kenzan had three hands. Also, throughout MWP, the theme of breaking fate is prevalent. It wouldn't fit the theme if this whole time Kanba had just been hypnotized into helping the Kiga group. It makes more sense, and fits the story better, if he joined the group out of his own free will. I mean, he had a good enough reason to, he wants the money to save Himari. Hypnotizing would be unnecessary. Goes back the finishing what the dead parents have not done finished and them giving out message beyond the grave. What Kanba has is supernatural powers like in "Ghost Whisperer" show. I just wish he would see other dead people somehow. |
| dark episode is dark only way they could top this off for *me* is having Shouma and kanba fight it out again and one of em has to die! |
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| Fantastic episode! I like how Shouma tried to stop Kanba from continuing what his parents did by using force. By the way, those parents who have committed crimes are not really Shouma's biological parents right? I can't remember exactly if Shouma got adopted into that family or not. Anyone remember? |
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katsu044 said: dark episode is dark only way they could top this off for *me* is having Shouma and kanba fight it out again and one of em has to die! I'm always up for the "fight to the death" thing. That'd be pretty awesome. lol |
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