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| I strongly believe Sanetoshi is the puppetmaster behind much of this. Practically everyone is talking to him - he's at the center of the web of connections. The hub. I'll go so far as to speculate that maybe Kanba is even the new leader of the Kiga Group after Kenzan died. No mere grunt or contractor is going to be receiving all that non-debt money unless he's somewhere far up in the hierarchy. I get that all those recent scenes with Kenzan and Chiemi were all Kanba's delusions; it's probably his coping mechanism to keep himself "sane". Their pretensions to family unraveled quickly under pressure... I wonder who is Shouma really related to, if all three were unrelated - Kanba is from the Natsume clan and Himari is an abandoned child. I think he still has more secrets to reveal. I wonder if I missed an episode or something, because neither the hat nor the Penguindrum has been mentioned for a while... I was expecting Shouma to counter Kanba's assertion by saying he'd find the Penguindrum to save Himari. All these plot twists being pulled off recently. Great execution. |
| Ugh, dammit, so many conflicted feelings! I don't even know who I want to end up together anymore... Originally I didn't care as long as it was Ringo x Shouma. Then I wanted Masako x Kanba. I didn't like the idea of Kanba and Himari at first because I wanted him with Kanba. Then episode 20 makes me sad if it's not Shouma x Himari. NOW I want Kanba x Himari as well... I'm about ready to just say fuck it and everyone become polygamists. The feels in this episode killed me. :'( Was not expecting this turn of events... they just wanted a happy family life together! And of course, the episode after I mention background characters appearing less and less... this episode starts with lots of background characters... and they even do stuff. I think Himari might think that whoever was dead in the bar was killed by Kanba... at least, it looked like a body when she walked in. Not quite sure what it was Tabuki and Yuri saw, though... I couldn't tell at all, unless it was Kenzan, which doesn't make sense to me. Unless he truly was alive and Kanba killed him for whatever reason (also doesn't make sense to me). Lots of shit going down now, anyhow. |
HalibelTheEspadaSep 1, 2013 9:26 PM
| Kanba sees dead people. Literally. I hope Tabuki and Yuri don't die. At some point we need the Momoka on the actual day scene and they need to be in it. It's strange how Ringo went from main character to a mere sideshow in this series. Everything is much more complex than in your standard series. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| So, the parents were dead the whole time. And what is Sanetoshi, exactly? Another incredible episode: Two in a row. So many twists. I can't wait to see where all this ends. |
| THIS SUCKS FOR EVERYONE OMG I was actually shocked when they first showed that the noodle shop was abandoned. I so hope all the ends get tied up well at the end ;~; |
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| I have had like a dozen different ideas were the show was going to go with everything over the last couple episodes, but now I give up. I have always been excellent about having a good idea for how everything was going to go down in anime, but there is not even the slightest tinge of cliche for me to use as solid footing. This show will do as it pleases, and that seems to change like 3 fucking times every fucking episode. God I love this anime. |
| WHAT IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON??!?!?! I am so confused right now.... I don't think I've ever been more confused while watching an anime.... |
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unmemorable_hero said: WHAT IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON??!?!?! I am so confused right now.... I don't think I've ever been more confused while watching an anime.... Yeah it's right up there with Higurashi in my opinion. I remember the first time I watched Higurashi after nearly every episode I would pace around my room trying to figure out just what the fuck was going on. I had very the similar brain cramps while watching this anime. |
| Thaaaaaaaaaaaat episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The feels! Damn this is getting intense. I'm gonna chain the last 3 episodes now! |
| Really? How is anyone surprised that the Takakuras aren't related? We JUST learned last episode that Kanba and Masako are blood siblings and suddenly everyone is shocked?? That is the WTF moment for me. I feel like everyone is getting fooled too easily by this show running in circles, because nothing happened in this episode except for Himari leaving. |
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| The absolute worst person in this episode was Shouma. He sends his sister (I don't consider blood relation that important) who might only have a few days to live to some stranger and tells her they are no longer family (and will probably never meet again). Did he want to torture her? What a bastard. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
| Ahh I wish Shouma actually beat the crap out of Kanba. If Kanba really just wants Himari to live, then all he had to do was ask help from Masako - wait actually Masako offered her help right? This is all because of Kanba's stupid "I'm going to save Himari!" ego that's making things complicated. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Can't hold all these feels~ I hate Kanba, Oh, come on, there should be a better way to save Himari! |
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| hmmm truth about penguindrum has yet to come. i have no idea who's bad or good anymore....that organization seems like it's trying to do something good but at the same time they're evil?? idk |
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| The 3 of them going their different ways was expected from long ago .... but the bloodlines revelations ; that shocked me. I'm actually on Kanba's side even though I know that he will likely lose like in all animes :'( |
MadSkulzMar 15, 2015 9:33 PM
| Jeez, I have no idea what's going on anymore, at this rate we're going to see a tragic ending. |
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| What the fuck did I just watch? |
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| What an unexpected and shocking episode I've ever had, really tragic, mysterious and dramatic moments! Ohhh I see from Natsume why she wants to stop Kanba for doing to Himari, since they are siblings... :(( can't believe it. Gosh I want to find out next! >:((, so sad separate family... |
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| Wow, Major plot twist in this episode, its getting somehow confusing, also they totally forgot about the whole Penguindrum and the Diary..weird!. I hope the ending will makes all this clear. Good Episode. |
| There's only one thing (thank god) I still don't understand... When did Kenzan and Chiemi died? I thought Sanetoshi died in the bombing but the parents are also dead, so who's been in control of the organization all this time? Just ~Spooky Ghost~ Sanetoshi? Anyways these last 2 episodes were really great, this is picking up after a dissapointing middle . |
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| So kanba is not related but natsume is related to kanba? Looks like kanba is calling the shots with the kiga group. Tabloid reporter, yuri and tabuki eliminated? Everything begins to unravel. |
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| i think kanba can't accept netsuke's money because he was left out of the family when he left with his dad, and a guy's got his pride. i don't think he's stupid for that, but i don't like him much either. anyway, i think i'm gonna do a rewatch of this sometime without reading the comments. sometimes the discussion makes me even more confused. |
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| Can't believe this episode. I kinda sensed they were dead, his parents, but at the same time i didn't. And Sanetoshi behind everything, he definitively is a curse. |
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| Everytime I watch an episode, one thing gets resolved and a bunch of other questions pop up. Confused. |
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boukendesho said: rrrmyme said: Nah Shou tell Himari to go to his uncle house because he think this family will only cast misfortune on Himari. Shou think that is his fault to make Himari become member of this family too (and suffer all kind of misfortune). And he force this idea of happiness on Himari, not notice Himari true feeling. Shou's act selfish, but his selfish come from desire "want everyone happy", although people do not feel happy with his way. Road to hell is paved with good intensions. Shouma is insufferable. Yeah, shouma is a dumbass |
| Finally an episode with more answers then questions. The faceless reporter was an interesting addition to the cast. It felt like he was a reference to Haruki Murakami or something. Given the amount of his works that Penguindrum references, and the fact that he himself interviewed the members of Aum group (as well as the victims of the sarin attack), the idea of this reporter being the in-universe Murakami kinda makes sense. The real Murakami wasn't killed tho. |
| Ringo means apple I think Both Kanba and Shou had an apple and Ringo is an apple. Multiple times in the OP has she been burnt away like Momoka who got burns when she saved Yuri. So there's a good chance Ringo has to give up her life. She's also the apple shared between Shou and Himari ("sister" and friend) Perhaps Shou and Himari breaking bonds means something will happen to Ringo? |
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| So, in this episode we discovered: - Sanetoshi is the main villain and probably had a "end of world" evil plan that Momoka sacrificed herself to interfere. - Kamba replaced Kezan as the leader of Kiga terrorists in order to save Himari, cleary all what Sanetoshi planned since the start. - Natsumi wants to save Kamba, and how it disturb Sanetoshi plans, that is why he is manipulating her through her little brother Mario. - Himari was adopted by Shouma, who is son of Kezan, who also adopted Kamba after his real father (also father of Natsumi/Mario) died. - Looks like Kezan + Natsumi/Mario/Kamba's father was all in the Sanetoshi Evil Penguim group. Probably all the births in 1995 (Ringo, Shouma, Kamba and maybe Natusme) are related to the change of destiny that Momoka did to avoid the end of world. |
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| So none of them related. And Kanba's apparently been hallucinating his foster parents. I had doubts as to whether Natsume and Kanba were actual siblings but then she came and said it. Which makes their kiss incestuous and all the HimarixKanba scenes not incestuous. It's really hard to keep track of who's kissing their sister and who's not. |
| I seriously don't understand the terrorist group what in the he'll is happening what a confusing show |
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| Heaviest episode but the best one so far. Kanba doin hit jobs(and probably other kinds of dirty business) which is not surprising to me since he did say he would do anything for Himari. Already knew since the previous episode or two Masako and Kanba were siblings but what surprised me was that Kenzan wasn't their dad at all. God damn. Him being dead in that bar the whole time(Chiemi too I assume) and Kanba talking to them pretty much confirms Kanba's mental state is in shittier shape than we thought. This episode almost got me teary eyed especially since nothing will be the same anymore ;-; |
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| The contrast between the montage of the brothers building the perfect little house for Himari at the start and Shoma being left alone at the end is brutal. Someone get Ringo to hug the guy already, man. Well that post-credits scene explains why Kanba is so fiercely motivated to keep Himari alive, and, well, *those* scenes from earlier on between him and mainly Hatmari. Boy this one was heavy with reveals and twists. |
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