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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- GAAAAAH~~~, The truth revealing about the siblings (even for twins) are shocking!! ED for this ep., Tamashii Kogashite (魂こがして), is really upbeat. |
tsubasaloverDec 4, 2011 8:56 AM
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| Loved it! |
YayPepsiDec 1, 2011 11:19 AM
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| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| OMG loved this episode so much!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Damn, im speechless. I need subs nowwww. OMG, i guess Tabuki will die. He saved Yuri from being stabbed T_T so fucking romantic and tragic. anyway, omg, Kanba is killing people to save Himari...plus he sees the Takakura ghosts? or he is simply delusional never expected he would go so far. It was so cruel and cold the way he sent the order in the cellphone. Also wow, that last scene of him was so creepy *shivers* it seemed like a satanic cult. Ok, i pity Shou so much. He really tried hard to stop Kanba, but i guess it would be predictable that he wouldnt make it, since Kanba is much stronger. Still i admire Shou for punching him and still telling they were brothers. And Himari, damn. I knew she would not go for her uncle´s house. i knew. She went to Kanba pretending she is fine with his actions. Im sensing she will die no matter what. And perhaps that´s the only way for Kanba to stop his obsession. And also it seems Sanetoshi said to Shou that Himari will die no matter what. got teary in the "goodbye" of Shouma x Himari. and i dont understand many japanese, but it seemed to me that Himari told him " you know, since that time, Shou-chan.. i always always..." now it seems to me she wanted to say "loved you"? And Shou crying at the same time apologizing. I didnt understand if he was apologizing for not being able to save her life, or for not corresponding her feelings. Anyway, next episode we´ll have a flashback of Kanba x Himari for sure. I mean this little flashback of Kan x Himari was so short. But it seems Kanba´s obsession for Himari started in his dad´s funeral. |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| Amazing! It was the saddest episode, I really feel for the characters and I want them to be happy. The scene with the parents turned out to be an illusion. Back when we where made to believe Kanba was in touch with them, I was upset about it, because he said he didn't knew their whereabouts. I did consider that part could be illusive and it really scared me when the truth was revealed. Kanba is getting himself into some nasty business and Himari wants to save him. She's his ray of light, as shown in the funeral flashback. I'm happy to finally see some of Himari's feelings for Kanba, it was never that clear to me before now. She gave back the scarf to Shouma, saying goodbye, letting go of the bound they shared as kids. The flashback with the boys working hard to cheer up their sister. So much love! |
| Wow is all I can say.... |
| I think Himari definitely will die. It just FEELS like that, but I guess Ikuhara's trolling us again. The fact that Masako and Kanba are real siblings saddens me. Incest theme can be freely mentioned in the anime, but I truly doubt Ikuhara would go as far as granting them mutual romantic feelings for each other, and I wanted that so much. >< Also I think that Tabuki or Yuri died for the sake of each other's life. Also it seems like Yuri truly loves him, even though I've always thought she's a lesbian. Maybe she's not and she's just understood it. ^-^ Momoka was the one who ever showed Yuri she could be loved, so she loved her unconditionally, absolutely regardless of the same gender. That farewell scene also left me in thoughts, especially that "All this time I've always been...". As it seems Himari really wanted to say she's been in love with Shouma, but he could never answer to her in this way and that's why she left. Also can it mean that she starts to notice Kanba as smb she could fall for instead? Btw, the next epsiode will revolve around Masako and Kanba, as I understood. Also as you can see at the end, it seems like both Shouma and Himari will be fine, while Kanba would put himself in real danger and Masako will risk her life/die to save him. That'll be very heartbreaking. >< |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| ... I love this anime so fucking much. |
| Btw! I guess MP's ending will be pretty much like Madoka Magica's one - i.e. the world WILL be set on the right track no matter what - but at the cost of our precious cast's sufferings and possibly deaths. So it'll have a very bittersweet feeling - and more bitter than sweet. |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| Beautiful episode. We got far more answers than I expected and things are making a lot more sense, but I'm still wondering how the princess of crystal and Sanetoshi are related... |
| Man, I'm always trying to look for an excuse to leave a "4" rating, but I always end up leaving a "5" instead. :P I can't tell whether this anime is going to have a happy or tragic ending, but I hope that Tabuki and Yuri make it out all right. I think every character in this anime (except maybe Sanetoshi? I can't tell for sure) has pure, if sometimes misguided intentions, and I'd like to see everyone achieve their happy end. Of course, I'm a sucker for happy endings. I'd like to see Ringo play a more active role sometime soon. I've enjoyed the deep, emotional sibling tales and all, but I miss Ringo's role in the story. We haven't gotten much about the Momoka side of things for a while, so I'm sure when things are inevitably tied together, Ringo will be brought back into the action. Whoa, Kanba sees dead people. O_o And Sanetoshi's also dead? *is confused* |
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| Wow it was an awesome episode! Looking forward to the next episode! |
| Kanba is so gangster. |
| This episode................ TTT^TTT It was shocking to know that Kenzan was already dead.. so was Kanba talking to the air the whole entire time?=[]= and... Tabuki & Yuri... I don't want either of them to die D: |
| I can sum up my thoughts on this episode very easily. :( |
| If any of my posts seem odd, it's probably because I'm tired. Sorry. I have sleeping issues. |
| I think Sanetoshi is Kanba's real father since he is also a ghost.We have been told that Sanetoshi was the head of a criminal organization so thats why I am just betting. I don't want Yuri or Tabuki to die too.Momoka wanted them to be together so they need to be together. The flashback of the meeting between Himari & Kanba was really adorable yet sad. Anyways it was really a saddd episode. |
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| Please please do not let Himari die:( . Another excellent episode. |
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| Amazing episode,we get answers. So finally we got many answers,Shouma and Kanba were never brothers he was adopted by the Takakura's,Kenzan is dead,Satenoshi being a curse and wants to finish what Tomoka stopped,this is why the theory of the hat being Momoka gets even stronger,why she wants the diary as is probably how she stop him 10 years ago. Kanba joining the Dark side to save Himari and Himari and Masako join forces to save him. Tabuki and Yuri getting attack and we see blood as someone say i dont think they are dead they are a important part to end this story. The last scenes were heartbreaking Shouma pushing out Himari from his life and ending the family once and for all and she saying good bye to her "soulmate" was just sad T_T,but thats why i love this anime this just gets better an better we got many answers but we also got questions what more we can ask for the end,3 more to go will Shouma recover his family?Kanba will be saved?Himari will die? just get ready since this will get awesome!! Btw awesome OST is awesome i want it already!! |
| Another most amazing episode and dare I say to call the END insane of this series when it comes? I think it might. Did anyone notice that book references in the spoiler I am totally in disbelief now because of the following,  if that was not enough for a shock then Kanba in the spoiler Furthermore with Kenzan dead and I presume the mother too less I am wrong, it's obvious those guys wanted Kanba to lead them. Obviously we also know Sanetoshi is in the other faction too. So in thee end he saved Himari for among the many reasons to have Pinforce flourish throughout the leadership of Kanba. Perhaps this is to ultimately cause the world what was done previously with Kanba's father who also was part of Pinforce. After all the devil loves destruction, death vices such as revenge. Still can’t believe Kenzan is dead! NOOOOOOOOO! I can’t even believe Shouma was so stupid to steam out at Kanba like that. I am totally mind screwed right now and should rest a little. I also suspect massive Occult/Ghost hammering ideas soon and even maybe time/dimensional elements of complex proportion and no no it's not helping to ease the understanding so far. It makes things worse to grasp what it really is. In other words this is heading towards a EVA end with multi interpretations possible. More later. |
Yumekichi11Dec 2, 2011 4:40 AM
Raven_Shinobi said: I can also see Shouma risking his life to save Kanba and Himari after being frustrated at himself for being useless and Ringo risking her own life to save him. Knowing Ikuhara's knack for shocking the viewers with the least thing they expected all along in this series and Utena, I can see either Shouma and Ringo or both saving the world in the end and maybe even dying in the process while Kanba and Himari survive. I actually agree with this. Shou, has a very similar personality to Momoka which means he will not hesitate if he has to "take the punishment" or even, die to save his siblings. He is too altruistic and although he tends to be emo/inert and depress over things, later he always arrives at the right place in the right moment. In fact since this show is pure trolling, he has more chances to die than Kanba. Also because this anime has religious references and hints that "saviors/ aka true good people" tend to be eliminated for the sake of others. Now that pic Shou saw of them as little kids with Himari with an apple, makes me think if that is Shou´s apple or Kanba´s apple. Because if Shou gave his apple to Himari, what´s the point of showing us in the previous episode that Kanba also had an apple. Also im 100% sure Shou will regret his words since there is nothing he treasures most than family, so he will end up chasing after Kanba and Himari. Ringo is also possible, since she has never been in a really dangerous situation so it would be just another troll...although i think it will not be her, since Ikuhara when creating the anime told clearly that it would "focus on 3 siblings, Himari being the female protagonist", so to me, one of those 3 will certainly die. (although there is a great possibility of being resurrected later XD ). Also, in the first episode, the first voice to talk is Shou´s as narrator. And he ends up saying in the introduction: "Because ever since that day, none of us had a future and the only certain thing is that we wouldn´t amount to anything". That quote makes me think until now. Its a quite powerful quote to be said already in a first episode in the first seconds of the beginning and specially because he ends up using the words of the Princess of Crystal. Also, i liked the title of this episode: "the door of fate we chose". which means metaphorically although Fate is written behind those doors, you still can choose which door to open. And did anyone noticed Masako´s quote at the "preview" of next episode?! it was so romanticincestuous! Random time! Just ignore/skip if you dislike random facts XD This surely has SailorMoon references, we cant forget Ikuhara worked there in some episodes Its really true, everyone in the show has fucked up parents. what´s up with Kanba´s dad "i shouldnt have chosen you Kanba, you´re no good" quote. =_= |
OrulyonDec 2, 2011 4:00 AM
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| Wow, this has to be the best and most dramatic episode so far, Kanba, Shoma and Himari are not related?! I never saw this coming, this anime is absolutely amazing, it keeps surprising you out of every corner all the time. Damn Kanba vs Shoma was so tragic, I really really hope Kanba doesn't gets killed, or neither one of them.. 10/10. |
| The revelation of Kanba Natsume and none of the so-called Takakura siblings being actually related isn't so SUDDEN. We could figure it out from at least 2 previous episodes. It's just in this episode we know it FOR SURE. Isn't man with red hair just like Kanba's with "Father" written across his face in Masako's memories Natsume twins' dad? Why Sanetoshi? Also, he passed away when Kanba was 10, as I understood, while Sanetoshi passed away during Survival Strategy in 1995. Also I suggest that mr Natsume and Kenzan still are related in some way, since Kanba's obviously got Kenzan's facial feautures. To draw characters like that just for trolling is too boring. -_- Anyway, even though characters have got eyes and hair of very different colours, only Sanetoshi and Momoka look so unnatural even in their world. So I guess they're not completely... human beings? Finally, we've got SO MUCH here. The idol girls who used to be Himari's friends, all these "Super smth saves Tokyo" books and classical literature for children in Himari's room, her room designed as a doll's one, mecha in Princess of the Crystall's illusion that look like her favourite teddy bear, the mysterious faceless classmate of Shouma, the Diary of Fate (everyone's completely abandoned it XD), the Tokyo Tower from Yuri's past, her relationship with Tabuki, Princess of the Crystal herself (I doubt she's Momoka actually) and Mario-san (does he transform in some kind of Prince of the Crystal with another penguin hat), and oh just why all these plans are created in Antarctica and it's all about penguins? To be honest, I can't understand how will we have all of that connected and needed in the last 3 episodes. o.o |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| I didn't think this show could surprise me anymore but it took one surprising twist. I'm really looking forward to the final three episodes. |
| There is more now. ED suggests in the following spoiler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_star indeed it could be foreshadow as symbol that Chaos is to ensue. With what Kanba now is involved it may as well be. TBH you all folks IMO there is no way but to reverse many family figures back to life. That means Kanba's father, Himari's mother and Shouma's father/mother. That would solve all the shit that was and what came after. There is one problem with this, what will happen to that family of Himari/Kanba/Shouma? |
| woah I cried for this episode... It's killing me... I forgot all the pairing ships in this show....because of this ep... first the brothers fighting & separated, kamba orders one of his accomplice hit that reporter,yuri/tabuki maybe stabbed, kamba's hallucination of the takakuras, the takakura's death, sanetoshi=ghost & true leader of the group,himari will die,himari & masako join forces to stop kamba,shouma going more emo,how kamba get that bandage, so many revelations in one ep!!!! last ep it shows how shouma & himari met & now they separated.... damn you ikuhara!!!! Props to shouma's seiyuu, he delivered one of the best emotions I have seen..... so shouma is only the true son of takakura, I think that kamba's father is related to takakura's.... maybe cousin.. its clear that why masako's grandpa expelled him in the first place.. about the PoTC I think she is really Momoka Incarnated, there is hint shows in the old episodes... that will be ideal with sanetoshi=ghost opposites first time 'to be continued' shown... maybe they will show more kamba's past with himari & masako... I will definitely looking foward to next ep |
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| Damn I love this show. I just don't know how to feel right now. I don't feel a good ending though that's for sure. ;_; |
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| If and only if, all that is happening is because of a Penguin ... a penguin ghost ... wanting to dominate the world ... because humans are destroying the environment ... Seriously, someone has to go to Japan to punch Ikuhara in face. Now, remember episode #19? |
PaninaManinaDec 2, 2011 12:57 PM
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| So, Kenzan is the one and only? :/ Shouma being the next Momoka - pretty much, especially after he saves Himari just the same way Momoka saved Yuri and Tabuki. Possibly he'll die to bring happiness to Kanba and Himari as a couple. Not to mention that he's actually the only one to "die for his family's sins" (even if it's not fair at all!). And yes, of course, soulmate isn't necessarily a romantic partner, but I think Himari did mean she had been in love with Shouma all the way. Also, she just pretends to follow Kanba's ideas - she actually wants to protect him, just like Masako. As I've already mentioned above, the preview just yells that Masako'll pay for that. |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| More confused than ever.. I was also surprised to find out Kenzan and Sanetoshi are dead. I got so sad when Shouma and Himari said goodbye. I am probably the only one who smiled when I saw that journalist get killed in the 'accident'. Don't get me wrong, it makes me sad to see Kanba giving the order, but I really hate people such as that journalist, so I was happy to see him gone. I keep hoping for a happy ending, but I'm definitely not expecting it.. |
| Proud mama and papa of Misha Yuuki* (02-01-2014 - 22-01-2014) Thank you for the wonderful twenty days you gave us. <3 One day we will meet again.. |
| Well, it's always seemed strange to me that Takakura couple sits in some small cheap restaurant all the time. ^^' Btw, the "cute" funeral scene with Himari annoyed me a bit. Of course, it's cute in its own way, it's metaphorical and it claims the start of Kanba's deep love for Himari. But just imagine it. You're a 10 year old boy who's lost his father and then some kind of a girl with whom you have to live from now on just puts on a plaster on your cheek and says that it won't hurt anymore? How sarcastic. I'd push such a person back or start crying even more. ^^' |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| This show has been obliterating my tear ducts these last few weeks. |
StarryKite said: Btw, the "cute" funeral scene with Himari annoyed me a bit. Of course, it's cute in its own way, it's metaphorical and it claims the start of Kanba's deep love for Himari. But just imagine it. You're a 10 year old boy who's lost his father and then some kind of a girl with whom you have to live from now on just puts on a plaster on your cheek and says that it won't hurt anymore? How sarcastic. ' They are even younger back then. Shouma and Kanba are 6 years old and Himari is only 3. I think it's even more amazing how mature all the kids are in this show. It's some heavy thoughts going through their minds. I hope to see why Kanba left the Natsume family, his real brother and sister. |
| Oh. I was pretty amazed when some people were talking about Himari being 3 years younger than Takakura siblings (it's a cliche already, sorry ^^') which sets her as only 13. Come on, girls in 13 can't be so clever and reasonable and lovely. And Kanba's obsession feels a bit unnatural this way - I can't imagine a 16 year old guy falling for a 13 year old child. She's been described in some versions being 14, however, I think that's closer. Also she's even claimed in Penguindrum TvTropes page as a part of Wise Beyond Her Years trope. ^-^ Well, his father died, and his grandpa was a mess of evil insanity, as we know already. Plus since he's rejected his son, it's natural he also rejected his grandson too. No wonder Takakuras decided to take Kanba in, especially since he's already been a close friend of Shouma and Himari. But then! Why haven't they done a thing about Masako and Mario? Of course, raising 5 kids at once would've been insane, but that's just dishonest this way! |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
maca1989 said: Isn't it weird that the princess entrusts her heart to Kanba and not to Shouma? Somehow, I get the feeling that Kanba really despises Shouma from the start. (...) However, I believe hope is not lost for Shouma since he really might have a chance to save Kanba and Himari. Shouma in this state is more like the underdog; if he were able to get out of his carried burden and worries, he might be able to pull it off. With Ikuhara's track record of making unexpected plot twists, Shouma might even be playing Momoka in this generation. Excellent comment, if i may say. ;) And i do agree in everything you said. ´ I still think Kanba somehow cares for Shouma, but obviously his love for Himari surpasses everything. I think all the hardships Kanba´s been through made him cold. Also, if i recall, in episode 12 the princess says to him "The Scorpion soul light shines red" while grabbing the light in his chest. I went to see the symbolism of Scorpions and i found in a page this: "It represents the world in its harshest most destructive nature, and yet with a very protective nature. There is no cruelty in the scorpion. It is simple, emotionless, and deadly at the same time. Cold-blooded simplicity at its finest". which quite fits Kanba since he has the scorpion soul. It is true that the princess hints that only him can save Himari, but we all know that she never, not even once tried the survival strategy with Shou, and my question is why? Because he was Himari´s fated one? The Diary is surely important, but i do wonder why Sanetoshi didnt burn the half that Masako has with her. and also, what is penguindrum? The princess says in ep. 17 to Kanba that "the penguindrum is your...". In the same episode, curiously she says if they dont get the penguindrum someonein their family will receive the punishment. Someone. she didnt say specifically Himari. So thinking twice, i do think if someone dies it will not be Himari but Kanba or Shouma. It would be another troll XD |
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| Episode Title - The Door of Fate we Chose Random sign - "You can choose as you..."  And those dolls from hell?  Where is the white colored doll?  |
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| It's good to know that the meetings between Kanba and his parents were only an illusion since I've always doubted that they would show themselves so carelessly in public. It was pretty sad to see the family falling apart even if it wasn't a real one in the first place. Again the subject of choice was brought up. Kanba was chosen by Kenzan but apparently it turned out to be the wrong one and ended fatally just like the choice Shoma made to make Himari a family member will lead to her death. On another note, the ending song was really catchy this time. They also included the penguins and the bears which made me wonder which role these bears play despite being part of Himari's transformation scene. |
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| Someone who'll take the punishment is Masako, I guess. And the bears creep me out. o.o |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
| That really makes sense, but still Masako and Mario felt miserably without their brother and father. I still can't even imagine what role will Mario play. |
| We have to keep our dreams alive. Something to look forward to. |
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