The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel)
matdavhans said: But... It has Yuki. XDDD THREAD OVER, MAN. |
| ^ yep. I was almost put off by episode 1, but thankfully i pressed on and watched the next few episodes and totally loved it |
| Same goes for me, even thought at first I only thought why does everybody likes it so mutch |
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| It's overrated. Like, totally. ;D Don't worry, doeman, you're not alone in your thinking. I also despair at the state of anime fans. XD MoHS getting a perfect score? Have mercy... *shudders* |
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| I just went through episode 4 of 『スズミヤハルヒの憂鬱』 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu and so far the series hasn't appealed to me as much as I have anticipated. So far I think there are a lot of very good ideas in here, but it has been poorly executed. Some potential stays untapped, others have been extended to a tiresome length. For example, I like the idea of the entire first episode, but they tried too hard to make it look like an amateur video. That scene would be much more powerful if it only lasted for 10 minutes or so. I'm not saying I didn't chuckle and laugh though... but it stopped being funny after a while. None of the characters has really spoken out to me so far. But I'm getting this subtle feeling that the series could get better beyond this point, even though I have little desire to carry on. Maybe it's just a matter of taste or maybe I was expecting too much after reading the positive reviews. I've read your thoughts and comments on this thread, but I'm interested to know whether more people also had trouble connecting with the series. And... did it also take you a few episodes until it started to hit you? |
| Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is a lesson, you'll learn it when you're through. |
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| okay, that was my second guess. Going through all your comments, I just realised I went through the first chronological sidestep of the story (aside from the first episode that is). Perhaps there is more to it. I'll keep on watching the show. Thanks. |
| Wasn't really aimed at you only. (: |
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fw said: ...but surely it will not reach even 9/10. People give it way too much credit. I tried so hard to get into it, but meh. It's too normal to be considered 'the best' of our time. Anime fans are so starved for a classic these days they'll slap that label on anything. >_> I wish people would give this sort of attention to a deserving show like Mushishi. *sighs* |
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matdavhans said: But... It has Yuki. Quoted for the truth :3 Well anyways not many westerners will understand japanese comedy. Especially when they cant relate to the jokes. If you've watched alot of anime then i'd reccomend you to watch this. Most good comedy anime, do alot of cliche'/spoof's of other anime and japanese pop culture (j-games, tv shows, local food, etc) If u wanna find my reasons to liking i reccomend u to read my Lucky Star blog review since its review is going to be EXACTLY the same because both shows have the same concept AND even have the same actors ;) This is kind of belongs in that "judging book by its cover" i even made a thread about this here Viewers like to talk crap about about ANY anime after only watching 2-3 episodes. So quick to judge, why not FINISH WATCHING IT then give it your 2 cents. ...in my opinion |
RanivusJan 28, 2008 12:19 PM
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| hm.. i just finished watching it. i liked it a lot, but somehow i have the feeling the anime was just about to start off with the last episode ^.^ guess i have to wait for the 2nd season ^.^ what made this anime special for me (!!!): - the diversity of the main characters - the story idea - the eposides are not really ordered which made it somewhat interesting/refreshing for me - kyon because of his fitting thoughts; Haruhi because of her energy; Mikuru&Yuki for a very high cuteness factor but like i said, it just feels very unfinished (even for a anime ^.^) and there is only a certain lvl of unfinished-ness i can handle *g* season twooo... where are uuuu !!!??? ^.^ score: 8.5/10 ... oh wait *looks up another juki picture* ... ok 9/10 ^.^ |
| ok i started to watch this anime a little while ago, but i stopped watching it cuz i got so confused with the ep order.....i need help!!!! =*( |
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| http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6430&page=25 This is actually better ^ . The list is the order of the episodes as they aired on TV. The red list is the order how the story unfolds, no confusing order. Enjoy. |
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| was there a point in screwing up the chronological order of the eps? |
| An innocent-looking girl with big breasts (always almost raped), a cold cute girl (on Ayanami Rei's style), an always-smiling misterious guy and a spoiled tomboy girl. Are these the characters of an ORIGINAL anime? How could it be more cliche? Even the episodes being out of order just seems to be an atempt to hide the lack of a real plot. Overrated. |
matdavhans said: But... It has Yuki. Lol My comment for Hauri (lol) and why I think the show deserve 10 FOR me : 1) Haruhi / Aya Hirano - Without her, you won't have the show, and the title. 2) "Live Alive" 3) "Days of the Sagitarius" 4) The animation 5) Music & Voice act 6) First episode. Kyon and Yuki might be reason for others but not for me :D |
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Miburo said: An innocent-looking girl with big breasts (always almost raped), a cold cute girl (on Ayanami Rei's style), an always-smiling misterious guy and a spoiled tomboy girl. Are these the characters of an ORIGINAL anime? How could it be more cliche?How could it be more cliche? Even the episodes being out of order just seems to be an atempt to hide the lack of a real plot. Err, isn't that the point? I believe they're meant to be intentional parodies of the cliches. As for the lack of chronological order, consider the jigsaw puzzle: the picture that you get usually isn't that grand but some people get a kick out of putting it together. Some might say that it's shallow but, hey, it's what floats their boat. |
| Parodies how?? Just to be like the cliches doesn't make a parody of them. The anime doesn't deny the cliches or makes fun of them, so it's not a parody. When Haruhi harasses that girl, for exemple: they're not criticising that kind of situation, it's their kind of humor. And it's boring. Kyon's sarcastic thoughts are not enough, since he does nothing instead of obeying Haruhi. They are just cliches characters living cliches situations, wich is why, in my opinion, this anime is so sucessful among otaku's masses. |
| i think you guys need to understand the difference between chliche' and Parody... google them. Anyways theres parodies of numerous SPECIFIC anime and video games. Like Vandread, Phoenix Wright, Black Jack, Genshiken, Gallery Fake, Hungry Heart, etc etc. I havent watched it in a few months so i know im missing adozen more parodies. Miburo's views are very close minded/pessimistic and thats fine. Youre judging them just because they resemble typical anime character types. If thats the case then you cant watch ANY anime since everyone knows character types will always overlap with each other. That stuff kind of happens when there are over 3000 different anime series and a couple hundred thousand different characters. Also since people dont feel like reading my lucky star review (i know its SO long for a review) ill sum it up right here. This show's comedy format is called a SITCOM. Made famous by western style comedy shows. SITCOMS HAVE NO PLOT. They are there for COMEDY purposes only. Wikipedia said: A situation comedy, usually referred to as a sitcom, is a genre of comedy programs which originated in radio. Today, sitcoms are found almost exclusively on television, as one of its dominant narrative forms. Sitcoms usually consist of recurring characters in a common environment such as a home or workplace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitcom Kids that watch anime only and dont watch normal television would obviously not understand what a sitcom is. But if you're frustrated in finding a plot in a comedy anime then 9 times out of 10, youre watching a sitcom style anime. other Sitcom style anime: Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star, Excel Saga, Full Metal Panic: Fumoffu, Cosplay Complex, Genshiken, Girls Bravo, Gokusen, Gyagu Manga Biyori, High School Girls, I's Pure, Nerima Daikon Brothers, Ouran High School Host Club, Steel Angel Kurumi Zero, Sumomomo I hope yall got educated :) |
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| Thats a nice LS review there Ranivus. Anyway people like to complain on whatever they saw anyway and whats better way to complain then aiming the top titles on MAL here :p |
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| @ Ranivus: I agree with your basic point, but... haruhi? a sitcom? That's going a little far. Anyway, yes, the "cliche" characters in Haruhi are indeed parodies. Haruhi wants a typical big-breasted moe girl, so Mikuru appears. She wants a typical silent-girl moe type, hence Yuki. She wants a mysterious bishie transfer student, and we have Koizumi. Miburo said: The anime doesn't deny the cliches or makes fun of them, so it's not a parody. Yes it does. In the Day of Saggitarius episode, Haruhi says something like, "Yuki is our silent-moe girl! You can't have her!" When she recruits Mikuru, she makes plenty of references to how moe she is, and winds up dressing her up like a nurse, a maid, etc. Before Itsuki appears, she says, multiple times, "This is the time of year anyone who transfers in is obviously mysterious!" It's clearly satirizing the otaku outlook (which, yes, attracts otaku. Go figure.) |
| Hahaha ok, I got educated now. "People who like Haruhi are smart, people who don't are dumb." |
| Hmm. Perhaps the more proper term would have been "homage"? |
Miburo said: Hahaha ok, I got educated now. "People who like Haruhi are smart, people who don't are dumb." Nah, whether or not you like it isn't the problem. It's whether or not you criticize it without knowing what the hell you're talking about. :) |
| I've read this entire thread and there are a lot of good points made. But there's some things I'd like to address. 1. The series IS in chronological order there are six parts from the first novel plus "Some Day in the Rain" which fits chronologically very nicely in the ninth spot, the others are stand alones which can be watched pretty much in any order you want with the exceptions of the "Remote Island" two parter (duh) and you should watch Episode 00 (which I agree, shouldn't have been the first one) before Live Alive. But if you'll notice part 1 comes before part 2 which comes before part 3, etc 2. Niches and/or pigeon holes: I've seen:comedy, school, sci-fi, slice of life, and supernatural tags; I don't feel comfortable with these although sf is close. And I haven't found any anime to a make a direct comparison with. But I do know that I'll put Yuki, Miruku and Itsuki up against the Scarecrow, Tin Woodman and Cowardly Lion or the White Rabbit, Chesire Cat and Caterpillar any day. In the end you're right, it's a matter of taste. To me the Suzumiya Haruhi series, which I include the anime in, makes as much sense as any of the great tales of wonder and I thank Nagaru Tanigawa for telling it. |
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hikaru-ru said: fw said: I wish people would give this sort of attention to a deserving show like Mushishi. *sighs* My thoughts exactly. It deserves so much better. I haven't started watching Haruhi; I will eventually just because so many people talk about it as such. |
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jayou521 said: I will eventually just because so many people talk about it as such. dont expect too much >_> |
| Hype tends to kill the fun out of many shows. Best to reset your expectations to zero before watching the show and just enjoy it as you wish. |
Ranivus said: i think you guys need to understand the difference between chliche' and Parody... google them. Anyways theres parodies of numerous SPECIFIC anime and video games. Like Vandread, Phoenix Wright, Black Jack, Genshiken, Gallery Fake, Hungry Heart, etc etc. I havent watched it in a few months so i know im missing adozen more parodies. I'm fully cogniscant of the fact that a paroy is a satire on cliche. The problem in this case is that a fine line separates the two (especially in anime, where parodies may outnumber original works), and that line is somthing over which Haruhi stumbles. There are jokes there which do tend to fall flat (I always use the example of Yuki in the room with the stock lines in ep 9). Ranivus said: Miburo's views are very close minded/pessimistic and thats fine. Youre judging them just because they resemble typical anime character types. If thats the case then you cant watch ANY anime since everyone knows character types will always overlap with each other. That stuff kind of happens when there are over 3000 different anime series and a couple hundred thousand different characters. When anime use stock character types, most flesh their characters out a bit, if only to have more material to joke about. Haruhi doesn't really do that, relying on the stock type to make the character, rather than the other way around. More importantly, just where do you get off saying that, just because someone disagrees with you, they're a closed-minded pessimist? Are you so besotted with your own views that anyone who disagrees with you must be either stupid, mean, or crazy? If Haruhi's humor didn't make Miburo laugh, then it's Haruhi's fault, not his. Ranivus said: Also since people dont feel like reading my lucky star review (i know its SO long for a review) ill sum it up right here. This show's comedy format is called a SITCOM. Made famous by western style comedy shows. SITCOMS HAVE NO PLOT. They are there for COMEDY purposes only. Kids that watch anime only and dont watch normal television would obviously not understand what a sitcom is. But if you're frustrated in finding a plot in a comedy anime then 9 times out of 10, youre watching a sitcom style anime. other Sitcom style anime: Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star, Excel Saga, Full Metal Panic: Fumoffu, Cosplay Complex, Genshiken, Girls Bravo, Gokusen, Gyagu Manga Biyori, High School Girls, I's Pure, Nerima Daikon Brothers, Ouran High School Host Club, Steel Angel Kurumi Zero, Sumomomo I hope yall got educated :) That's a legit point, but it goes to underscore what I said earlier; since sitcoms are sucha common genre in anime, the burden rests on Haruhi itself to be something original. Instead, it gets mired down in conventional parody humor, to the extent that the parodies in Haruhi aren't the jokes, but the fact that there is a parody is the joke. It's almost like saying "Look at me, I really try hard to be funny." Except, as Yoda once said, "Do or do not, there is no try." |
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Torisunanohokori said: If Haruhi's humor didn't make Miburo laugh, then it's Haruhi's fault, not his. Kaere Kimura said: I'll sue you! I don't think it's necessary to blame something or someone whenever things go awry. |
YuunagiFeb 24, 2008 10:31 PM
| I'm with the thread. Sure, I rated this a 9(from 7 then 8 then to current). But, for me, 8 = good, 9 = awesome, 10 = masterpiece!!!. Yeah, this series is awesome, but I think it's highly overrated. My reasons are: 1. Felt nothing but laughter which is a bit dragging, this series has another genre 2. WTF with the romance..ended with "Ponytails turn me on" 3. The plot is unique but being unique doesn't necessarily mean a masterpiece already. Even it's unique, the flow, the feeling - it seems typical to me. 4. Haruhi pissed me off almost at all times. She has this attitude that I hated. There are more reasons I think. But, Haruhi FTW! This is one of the anime that I will not regret watching and it's also a very memorable one. BUT, as I've said, I don't consider this a masterpiece as the "overrated" say so. Oh yeah, this is my OPINION. I agree with the saying "Ever man's treasure is another man's trash." (If I get the saying right) |
| Suzumiya is a good anime to watch.. Though I agree that it IS overrated.. Haruhi's character can be annoying sometimes, and the romance part really sucked.. Sylpheed said: WTF with the romance..ended with "Ponytails turn me on" ROFL! I'm still thinking though, why is this series placed at a very high ranking.. I mean #5 on the most popular?? |
| I only started being active in anime by the start of 2008. Haruhi-ism is 2006 I think. I wonder what happened back then. |
| Well honestly so far I think it's great. I really was expecting to have the same reaction but I got a horrible/very unique case of Harui-ism (as explained in my blog) |
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| Personally , I loved The Melancholy. Gave it a 10. But ,for some reason I felt like I forced myself to like it. None the less , I liked it. My whole thing about the Melcancholy is that it was a parody. It was poking fun at all of the different genres and cliches in anime. Also, I look at the Melancholy as if it was one big first episode. Maybe if they fit everything into a maybe 2 and a half hour movie, then people would like it more. Still ... there's something about the Melancholy , that almost dreamer theme behind it , keeps me coming back for more. ... and the animation is boss too. ^_^ |
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lisalover1 said: I never understood why people are attracted to her. She's basically a puppet for a giant brain floating in space. How is that sexy? Brainy girls are hot. |
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lisalover1 said: matdavhans said: I never understood why people are attracted to her. She's basically a puppet for a giant brain floating in space. How is that sexy?But... It has Yuki. She isn't a puppet, you would know that if you read the novels ;p. But seriously, I love Yuki with a passion. There is just something about her silence, her cuteness. Also she f**** people up with L337 HAXXORZ SKILLZ. She is the number one reason I watch this show!!! Anyways, I really like Haruhi, it was original, funny,had a great storyline, and it has Yuki :3 What really made me love the Haruhi series is the novels though. I liked the anime when I first watched it and when it ended I decided to read the novels. The novels are really the best part and I can't wait for future seasons! I don't want to spoil anyone, but the story gets a lot better and deeper. |
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