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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack Episode 1 Discussion
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 20 | 46.51% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 14 | 32.56% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 3 | 6.98% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 3 | 6.98% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 3 | 6.98% |
Voters: 43
#21
03-11-10, 1:37 AM
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That was not what I expected and it was mainly the fault of Quess and Hathaway. better no backstory for the characters than a half-assed backstory. Zeon seemed a bit overpowered I hated that the federation had such lame standard suits and weapons they were only cannon fodder. They fired six rounds of missiles a this Axis thing and not a single one hit the target *facepalm* At least the battles were cool |
#22
08-03-10, 3:32 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1635 |
Was I the only one who liked Quess? Well mostly at least, she needed better development sure, but she wasn't such an unlikable character... unlike Hathaway. His killing of Chan was probably the worst moment in the movie, so completely random... generally the ending was bad, it killed everything the movie had built thus far... but the rest of it was quite good. I agree that Char's character could have been used better, especially if they actually bothered to explain why he had changed so much during these years, but judging this movie mostly as a standalone and pretending sth that explains his big change from Zeta exists then its good, he was quite a baddass bigbad afterall, if not a vilain protagonist to Amuro's hero antagonist... just ignore the ending... All in all having watched the series thus far I'm seriously doubting Tomino's value and wondering why the hell is Gundam so successful... nothing I have seen qualifies as a masterpiece, far from it... and I was extremely lenient with this movie too. Modified by Alas86, 08-03-10, 3:39 AM |
#23
09-03-10, 4:09 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2010 Posts: 8 |
Well I just finished watching this and, well, I thought it was a little ridiculous. As someone pointed out earlier- why did the neo-zeon mobile suits assist with stopping the asteroid? Also why didnt amuro and hathaway sound the alarm (or call someone) as soon as quess took off with char? Duh What was with that total douchebag cybernewtype zeon soldier that was obssessed with being better than char? Why had char turned into a crazy nutjob who decided everyone on earth needed to die or be forced to migrate to space? (Surely he wasn't serious with what he was saying to quess about gravity etc) I agree with what people have said earlier about his character certainly resonating to some extent with his character/personality in MSG but certainly not with his character in Zeta. Why were all the characters in this pretty much tossers apart from bright and amuro? oh I dunno... I just hope they bring back amuro and char in gundam unicorn- the ambiguous ending to the film (yes I know its different in the book) could at least turn into one good thing. At least one bit made me laugh, when nanai said; 'Londo bell should stick to ringing bells' or something like that... Modified by bongo, 09-03-10, 5:21 PM |
#24
01-05-11, 12:27 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2010 Posts: 961 |
Holy crap, talk about drowning the movie in feel-good sentiment! Any more and they'd have to rename Amaru as "Jesus". They were doing such a great job beforehand too! I was totally digging this movie for the first half-hour, and then still enjoying it for the next hour, but that fucking ending just about suffocated me. I hate how much Char's character regressed. Regardless, the animation was phenomenal, and I'd even say it was worth watching just for the fights. Alas86, a big reason that Gundam was so successful is that it initiated the real robot genre. Besides that, the mobile suit concept is really freaking cool, regardless of how well the gundam series executed it. I think Tomino's value is something akin to one of our big hollywood directors. He doesn't really make masterpieces (though I (and nobody else on the planet) did feel that Brain Powerd was a masterpiece), instead he makes tons and tons of works that tend to hit a sweet spot in large demographics. “I can't stand pretty opinions!” |
#25
02-01-11, 8:24 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1017 |
Char and Amuro may be listed as dead in the books after this. But according to the anime only data they're only listed as MIA.. If only... If only they made one more story revolving around these two. |
#26
03-07-11, 5:36 PM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1088 |
Well it looks like I am in the minority here but I thought this movie was great. I found the characterization of Char and Amuro and the portrayal of their rivalry better in this movie than in MSG, where Char barely got any character depth IMO until the very end of the series, or Zeta, where neither of them were the main focus. Don't get me wrong, I loved Zeta, but not so much for Char and Amuro. Zeta was focused on Kamille and I loved Kamille, and the other characters as well. I felt that in Zeta Char was too much in the background for me to feel much about him or have much insight into his thoughts, so I'm not in agreement with people who say his character has regressed here since Zeta. I think we weren't really shown much of his character progression in Zeta in the first place, despite how much screentime he had. I think Amuro actually got more development in Zeta and he was only in a few episodes. I would go so far as to say that this is tied with Zeta for my favorite Gundam, of what I have seen so far of the franchise (MSG, SEED, Zeta, 00, and this movie). Modified by sevenay, 03-08-11, 7:52 PM |
#27
04-04-11, 6:52 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1088 |
Alas86 said: Was I the only one who liked Quess? Well mostly at least, she needed better development sure, but she wasn't such an unlikable character... It's not so much that I "liked" her but I don't hate her, in fact rather than judging whether I like her personality (which pretty much falls into the 'completely unrealistic anime girl' category) I am more interested in figuring out why Tomino wanted her there. I think maybe he wanted to have an 'anti-Lalah' who would fall in love with both Char and Amuro and create a new personal-level conflict, to create symmetry with the 0079 series. It wasn't portrayed all that well, though, I agree. They could have done a better job in making her serve that purpose. But at the same time I still found her enjoyable to watch. I think it would have been way better if the relationships were more developed between Amuro/ Chan and Amuro/ Quess. Quess/ Char and Quess/ Nanai wwere portrayed somewhat better though. I actually really liked those relationships. |
#28
04-30-11, 1:22 PM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 246 |
I loved the film. My only problem was the amount of new characters whom I mostly didn't care for. |
#29
07-29-11, 1:32 PM
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Offline Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 498 |
It was kinda rushed, yes. But I guess that since I came from 0079 movie trilogy (which also had some pacing issues) and I disliked Zeta for being so drawn out, I didn't mind CCA too much. But the lack of proper explanation for Char's new "bad guy" character did bother me. Not to mention some developments near the end that some people already mentioned. - Quess did this much because she was "in love" with Char, and then she was also "in love" with Amuro? I guess she was also "in love" with Hathaway at some point (those Newtypes really gotta get their love shit together). And then she died. - Chan thought it would be a good idea to suddenly launch in a damaged mecha, killing poor Astonaige-san in the process. And then she died. - I was wondering what was Hathaway's role in this movie. Figured he could be the newest ace teen pilot or something. But all he did was go emotionally unstable (so this IS Gundam) and kill Chan. And then he died (not really, so unfair). - Some magical dust saved the day? Psychoframe, was it? I don't think it was properly explained to justify it suddenly coming out and stopping Axis. And then a lot of people died. - Some nonsense dialogue between Amuro and Char about revenging Lalah, using Quess as a tool, father/mother relationships (lolwut) and trying to justify his mass murderer. Not enough development on Char to explain his apparent change of character from Zeta. ...Oh yes, and then they died. ![]() |
#30
08-29-11, 2:01 PM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1017 |
Watched it again and I must say I enjoyed it a lot. Sure I was annoyed with the lack of back story and he fact Char is completely different, But other than Quess this is a highly entertaining movie. I absolutely loved the music, especially the credits song. Now that MSG is being remade and those Zeta movies have changed events making CCA impossible I wonder if they'll remake this? Maybe with a better backstory and character development... |
#31
01-07-12, 4:58 PM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 843 |
Would have been nice if it wasn't Char who was leading the army, using him as a scapegoat for all this feels like choppy fanservice to me. "My tables-meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." |
#32
05-16-12, 9:35 AM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 61 |
Wow, I really don't know what to think of this movie. I was expecting something really good (the title sounds promising lol) but it turned out to be a let down. Yes, a bit of backstory could have helped. Some things were deducible though, like Bright and Amuro fighting together (we know the Federation does whatever they want with Amuro) against whatever Zeon is now. The fighting scenes were beautifully done. The ending...oh god why? why give it such an ending?! The psychothingies reacted to one another, then pink dust, then they died and finally peace to the universe. I hate those kind of sparkly/magical endings. - Amuro: He was ok. I feel he was completely in character, specially how he freaked out when Kayra died, that's the Amuro I like. - Bright: It was nice seeing him with his son, also Mirai was a cool mum. - Katz 2.0...errr, I mean Hathaway: How can he be such an idiot having Bright and Mirai as his parents? - Quezz: And I thought Reccoa was my least favorite character in UC...well, this girl definitely won all my hate. The "feelings" or whatever she had for Char and Amuro were making me vomit. Yes, I know Char's got charisma and all and yes, I know that newtypes feel connections or whatever....but ugh, I am so glad she died, should have been more painful though, make her suffer even more. - Astonaige: If they were gonna kill him they should have done it properly. - Chan: I didn't care at all about her. And Char... I loved Char in MSG. I like the 'I have a goal and I'll do whatever it takes to achieve it but I will never hurt my family (in his case Sayla)' character type. I loved how manipulative, strong and full of charisma he was in MSG. Then in Zeta we had a BAMF Char that knew there was a greater evil (Titans) and that if he wanted to fulfill what his father wanted for the spacenoids, he had to defeat that evil, no matter what. So he joined the AEUG, he fought besides his rival and the Titans were defeated. And now in CCA we have a Char that has lost all hope in earth and it is in fact understandable. The Federation won in the 1 year war against Zeon and what did they do after that? Create the Titans, a bunch of assholes that wanted war. After the Titans were defeated what did the Federation do to bring peace to the universe? Nothing, the higher ups cared only about themselves and sold a lot of human's lives to Axis/Neo Zeon/Haman. So yes, I can see Char being the new leader and starting a war against the Federation, but that's it. I think that the idea of dropping an asteroid on earth was just too extreme, I can see it happening, but I don't know, it still seems weird. Also, yes I know Char is well known for keeping his grudges intact and do whatever it takes to get revenge...but to endanger the lives of innocent people for revenge is just not him. When Char killed Garma, he said 'blame it on the misfortune of your birth' or something like that, implying that Char would have not killed him had Garma not being a Zabi. So otherwise Garma was innocent. This gives a basis to Char's ideology of evil and innocent people and CCA ignores this completely. It seems like they wanted him to be the plain evil guy when in reality Char is far more complex than that. Such a shame. The only thing that if more explored would have been fascinating was the 'Lalah could have been my mother' thing. That idea is actually amazing. 7/10 |
#33
08-06-12, 12:42 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 355 |
Hathaway and Quess were just pointless, they distracted the narrative rather than keeping it together which I suppose they were introduced for, Char's characterization turned out weird as he didn't have any of that mystery left and although he was given some interesting additional depth at a couple of instances (his pride, Lala's significance to him, etc) but his take on the colonists vs Feds issue turned really extreme out of nowhere. And that ending was just weird.. But it started off pretty well and was quit entertaining, the first hour or so in particular really flew by. 5/10 |
#34
08-07-12, 4:58 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 122 |
83 love stories after meeting for 1 minute, WTF??? At least it has great animation for its time. 3/10 |
#35
09-05-12, 2:40 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 38 |
Going into this and knowing about Hathaways eventual brutal fate made me a little sad, but after he killed Chan, who was purely trying to help him and save him. I dont care, I'm glad he gets what is coming to him. Also Amuro and Char are supposedly KIA or MIA, they could have shown that a little more. |
#36
01-16-13, 2:25 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 551 |
My feelings about this movie reflect my feelings about all of the Gundam series that I have seen thus far: there are a lot of parts that I like but there also a number of substantial flaws that prevent me from giving it a really high score. The good stuff about this film was that we got to see more of the Char-Amuro rivalry. I always enjoyed seeing those two interact in the original series and I still enjoyed it here. Also, the animation got an upgrade for this film and it really showed in the action sequences - those were really well done. When it comes to the negatives, I would have to start with most of the new characters - they were not very good and mostly just there to serve as eventual casualties. Special mention has to go to Quess, though. As I have come to expect from this franchise, there has to be at least one terrible female character and Quess was it. I really don't understand why half the guys who met her suddenly developed the hots for her - totally inexplicable. Also, the ending was disappointing. I had really been enjoying the plot up until the point when Char starts talking about Lalah being a possible mother figure, the Zeon guys start helping stop the asteroid the set in motion, and when suddenly a magical space rainbow saves the day. Anyway, I still mostly enjoyed watching this film but it could have been a lot better, which is really unfortunate. In the end, I would give it 7 "Bright Slaps" out of 10. |
#37
04-03-13, 9:06 PM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1073 |
Really like the Nu Gundam's mech design. Black and white color scheme just looks sexy. Other than that, the movie didn't really impress me. |

