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Blond "Glen" had black-haired "Glen" (Ozwald) as his servant, just like black-haired "Glen" later had Gilbert (who was chosen to be the next "Glen" after black-haired "Glen") as his servant. Ozwald became "Glen" after blond "Glen" transferred chains/soul to him, just like black-haired "Glen" (Ozwald) was going to do with Gilbert. Blond "Glen"s body then became Humpty Dumpty. When Ozwald became the next "Glen," everybody called him "Glen" instead of "Ozwald." Jack knew both blond "Glen" and black-haired "Glen," and considered black-haired "Glen" his best friend.


Yeah, right now I'm thinking "The Lonely One" refers to the Will that Lacie's going to "meet." Lacie's body is enveloped in golden Abyss lights, so it's like she's either dying or shifting to another reality. Reminds me a bit of how Alice was disappearing in chapter 65.

Hm, good point, and I forgot about Alice's disappearing in 65. But is the Will of the Abyss even... Exisiting? now? Or does Lacie know what will happen?

You're right, we don't know if the Will exists yet. It's my personal assumption that the Will has always existed as a neutral or impersonal force, but that recently it developed desires and identity of its own. Glen makes the distinction between the Will as the omnipotent "core" within all things, and then it suddenly developing a will of its own.

Goddammit its like I have to learn who everyone in this manga is all over again. Ever since Jack's more disturbing side came out on ch65 every chapter forces me to re-evaluate the characters of this series.

I asume this flashback will show us everything that happened up to the tragedy of Sablier, its about time we learned the truth of that!

I was thinking, maybe Alyss is just like Glen. She transfers her soul to keep living, maybe that's why Lacie was made as a sacrifice. Celia could have been one of the sacrifices too. But if she still lives until now, the era of Oz and Alice, i don't know what kept her alive.

Same here, PH confuses me with its epic plot twists EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER! Jack was absolutely adorable in this one though and geez I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about Madame Red XD

So Oswald becomes new Glen after he's killed by Jack I'm guessing. This would probably be during whatever creepy plan he has in store for Jack. Miranda's like the headhunter all over again.

95% sure Ozwald became new "Glen" after the normal "Glen" soul/chain transfer ceremonies, not as a result of being killed by Jack. Jack later killed Oswald-"Glen" during Sablier tragedy.

omg...what???!

Pff, I made this comparison too, then I realized that Jack's name is.. y'know... Jack. Like Jack the Ripper. I started theorizing all over, then told myself to stop making up new plotlines. X3

Jack was so cute and sad in this chapter. I kind of want to hug him. But he gets so... twisted and creepy later, I wonder exactly why? (...Maybe I should know why, but I forgot?) Che, Jack is so confusing!

I think this is a good theory... I wonder what the connection would be?

Ahahahahaha I am so confused. I need to reread it all before the next chapter.

SIGH...
This story is painfully good, and I can never be certain what everything is leading up to. Brilliant stuff.

I liked the chapter but couldnt get relli into it cuz i was a bit confused...I wonder wat Miranda and Jack's relationship is and the New(old) Glen seems interesting

Okay, I read the translations when they first came out and was confused as hell. Now I can actually think.
Wow, that description of Jack actually gave me chills. And of course, the whole twist with Glen not always being Glen was weird, but I think we're all kind of used to weirdness in this manga so okay.

SQUEEEEE~ Liked the new chapter. I love seeing the plot thicken farther, and finding that every time we get answers, they just give me more questions.
I was looking at the speech bubbles this time, and found that Lacie doesn't have that extra special second line for the chapter until Jack leaves, when blonde Glen is holding her after inviting Jack to come whenever. The problem is I don't have any clue what to make out of it...
I actually like this new Glen. He is curious, and has the ability to be serious and laugh at the world. His design intrigues me, with the bandaged hands and colored eyes. I wonder what happened to him....
Glen as Oswald... I always thought Lacie/Alice looked like him. I wonder what he did that made her pissed off enough to run away? He bothers me a little, he feels so... unreactive.
I love the parallels between Liam's feelings on Jack and Glen's. I think people have said the same things before, but still. The way they both describe him as still water, yet with such different effects is uncanny. It also brings up images of the Abyss, or where Jack is waiting, to mind. Could it be some power or connection he holds, that he grows more in control over?
So... Miranda Barma... Absolutely crazy. That's one character I'm sure is actually crazy. She never got Oswald/Glen's head, did she? I wonder what happened between then... The first time we saw Miranda, she is brainwashing Vince, with Jack surprised at seeing her. Did she plan parts of the tragedy? Was it revenge (or craziness. o.o) on Oswald/Glen? Maybe he was using her to bring about the tragedy.
It occurs to me that the dukedoms we know least about are the Vessalius and Rainsworth dukedoms. Even then, we know a bit about the then situation of the Vessalius's, if not much. We know the basics about the Baserville's background, and the Nightray history, and this chapter we learned of the Barma's, but we know nothing of the Rainsworth's. In flashbacks, when Jack is talking casually about 100 years ago, he mentions the Barmas or the Nightrays but never the Rainsworths. Plus, we still don't know where Shelley, Sharon's mother and Break's sympathetic caretaker is. It's very curious...

I love Pandora Hearts, and this new chapter.
I was reding this post and decided to go back and read this again, and noticed a bunch of stuff...and everything is so confusing.About the whole head thing, look at this picture of Gilbert...with a skull. And interesting insight on how we know so little of the Rainsworths
http://www.mangareader.net/pandora-hearts/67/41
And old Glen(the blonde one) for those who are wondering looks like Joker from the Kuroshitsuji manga.
http://myanimelist.net/character/17657/Joker

Well, he ends up in pieces, and his head is in Pandora headquarters. Close enough? xD

Yes! I figured like three days ago after going crazy thinking about it. XD
He reminds me a little of this guy too:

Maybe for Miranda~

@Toshimonster, TheworldIknow: It is really interesting what you have written about Shelly and Rainsworth. I found also something:
here
I wonder how Barmas and Reinsworth’s researches of Abyss looked like and maybe Baskervielles made their own Abyss researches, too? xD.


@Neiru 2012, I really like your posts about ch.67.( they are as always very interesting) But I don’t agree with the part about Oswald and Gil. Imo, only resemblance between Gil and Oswald is, having child of misfortune as sibling ( it had to be difficult to both of them) But behavior, I think Gil cares a lot, he cares even about Alice and his mimic is so funny. Oswald seems to be introvert or even egocentric, he locked Alice in tower and I don’t think that he cared much for her. He seems to be, a cold person. He is sleeping, thinking. Maybe he is more smart or perceptive as Gil but he seems to avoid people and don’t care about their needs. These are only my feelings about Oswald ( I think, I don’t like him much, maybe because of the way he treated Alice and Alice hated him) but actually we don’t know much about Oswald, hope we will learn more in next chapters.

I thought about that “where are you?” thing. Sometimes when you have to get through some painful or hard experience you are just telling your self that you are not here and it will end soon, and it is not you, who is suffering or something like this, and Jack was through lots of such experiences so, maybe he just accepted things in that way and as you have written it is connected with his low self-esteem. Just pretend to be not here and suffer. I don’t know if it makes any sense. And I like the way Jack reacted to Oswald words, so he is not so calm and distorted xD.

But Alyss and Alice are twin sisters right?Though Alyss did beg Break to free her so maybe someone else can take her place maybe Lacie was also sacrifised to keep the order in the Abyss or something lol sorry i got a lil random that thought just occured to me xDDD
Also is it just me or is Miranda's obsession with decapitation kind of resembles the way Vincent's chain the Headhunter kills people?Is it possible that Miranda had a contract with it in the past?After all she meets Vincent afterwards maybe he learned bout the chain from her.

Thank you. ^^


Yes, I agree, Gil and Ozwald are very different in many ways. But, as you point out, we don't really know much about Ozwald on a personal level yet. We just seen how he acts in somewhat formal situations, like in this chapter. And then later as Glen, with Jack, he seems somewhat neutral (although he does acknowledge Jack as a friend, I think). I don't judge his treatment of Alice yet since I think there's a lot to it we also don't know.

When I was comparing Gil and Ozwald, what I had in mind was how they appear in formal situations. Gil is very sensitive and caring on a personal level, but he can also come off pretty stoic and distant to those he's not close with. Both Gil and Oswald are somewhat shy, I think, though in different ways. And both seem to want to be a loyal guardian to their Master.


Ohh good point! Yeah, I can see that playing into both Jack's and Oz's tendencies to be "not here."


They are twin sisters, but it's unclear whether Alyss is the Will, or whether it's a force that bonded to her, and can bond to others instead of her. As you mentioned, Alyss' desire to not be the Will anymore suggests that the power of the Will can be transferred. So, I think the Will existed before and apart from the Alices, and I think it might've been bonded to Lacie, too (based on Glen saying that she's able to see reality without confusion). I hope we'll learn a lot more about how this works during the flashback arc!