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Nov 14, 2011 6:30 AM

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Hiramaru and Yoshida are the highlight of the episode for me. Poor guy wants to take a break but it isn't happening for him lol.
 
Nov 14, 2011 9:19 AM

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That was a nice episode and it felt good seeing everyone working together, however, Detective Trap should stop it's serialization until April, I fully agree with that, the health is more important...
 
Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM

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The episode was good but Hiramaru made it awesome...his character depicts my life too well. (I know right...?)
 
Nov 14, 2011 7:13 PM

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BOYCOTT! :D

power to the ppl.
 
Nov 15, 2011 5:58 AM

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The boycott was one of my favourite parts of the manga and they didn't disappoint in animating it.
 
Nov 16, 2011 8:24 PM

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Kuchenlight said:
Just for this whole controversy not being too overweighted by "Mashiro's dumb"-opinions:
I disagree.

There is no guarantee whatsoever, that Mashiro'd get a popular series ever again. If he'd stop now and then being unsuccessful for the rest of his life (like his uncle was, after Superhero Legend), he'd obviously regret it forever.
And that is exactly why there is no such thing as right or wrong here. Many people would prefer death over a whole life of regrets.
It's his decision.

Well, so much for my opinion.



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also watching his dream with azuki slip away would be death to him mentally anyways
suicide via "i lost everything ive hoped for cuz i gave up due to hiatus" vs. RISK of losing life by continuing to draw, following my hopes and dreams

rationalize it like that and it should make sense for those that disagree with mashiro's opinion


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Nov 17, 2011 2:51 AM

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kkmaster1337 said:
Kuchenlight said:
Just for this whole controversy not being too overweighted by "Mashiro's dumb"-opinions:
I disagree.

There is no guarantee whatsoever, that Mashiro'd get a popular series ever again. If he'd stop now and then being unsuccessful for the rest of his life (like his uncle was, after Superhero Legend), he'd obviously regret it forever.
And that is exactly why there is no such thing as right or wrong here. Many people would prefer death over a whole life of regrets.
It's his decision.

Well, so much for my opinion.



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also watching his dream with azuki slip away would be death to him mentally anyways
suicide via "i lost everything ive hoped for cuz i gave up due to hiatus" vs. RISK of losing life by continuing to draw, following my hopes and dreams

rationalize it like that and it should make sense for those that disagree with mashiro's opinion


Except that in this episode Azuki said clearly in Mashiro's face that she'll wait for him forever, so time isn't a problem. Mashiro should just recover himself and start again where he left, even if it means lose everything he gained until now. Furthermore, Ashirogi Muto is a skilled duo, they can bring a new manga that can top the rankings in no time.

But I know this isn't going to happen. This series is deeply permeated with the concept of "ganbaru", so putting everything into your dreams and never giving up is the right choice, contrasting with a more rational mentality.
 
Nov 17, 2011 6:06 AM

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FUKUDA TEAM FIGHT! *___*
awesome episode. ♥
lol at hiramaru "BOYCOTTAGE? SUBARASHII!!!" XD


 
Nov 18, 2011 8:26 PM

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Arashi89 said:
kkmaster1337 said:
Kuchenlight said:
Just for this whole controversy not being too overweighted by "Mashiro's dumb"-opinions:
I disagree.

There is no guarantee whatsoever, that Mashiro'd get a popular series ever again. If he'd stop now and then being unsuccessful for the rest of his life (like his uncle was, after Superhero Legend), he'd obviously regret it forever.
And that is exactly why there is no such thing as right or wrong here. Many people would prefer death over a whole life of regrets.
It's his decision.

Well, so much for my opinion.



^
also watching his dream with azuki slip away would be death to him mentally anyways
suicide via "i lost everything ive hoped for cuz i gave up due to hiatus" vs. RISK of losing life by continuing to draw, following my hopes and dreams

rationalize it like that and it should make sense for those that disagree with mashiro's opinion


Except that in this episode Azuki said clearly in Mashiro's face that she'll wait for him forever, so time isn't a problem. Mashiro should just recover himself and start again where he left, even if it means lose everything he gained until now. Furthermore, Ashirogi Muto is a skilled duo, they can bring a new manga that can top the rankings in no time.

But I know this isn't going to happen. This series is deeply permeated with the concept of "ganbaru", so putting everything into your dreams and never giving up is the right choice, contrasting with a more rational mentality.


his ambition is too powerful 4 him to just "choose the rational thing to do"
if he went hiatus 4 that long, the readers would just stop caring and he would fall further than his uncle did


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Nov 18, 2011 9:53 PM

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lol Hiramaru-kun is welcoming an excuse to not have to draw XD

great episode as always
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Nov 19, 2011 4:39 AM

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BOYCOTT!!! We are all in!
 
Nov 20, 2011 1:11 AM

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''OH! EXCITING!''
Another word of Nizuma RLZ!!!

Episode was likeable but not as good as 6:)

And you know what?
Even if I got little money I wish I could draw like Moritaka and have friends(rivals) like him:) It's a beautiful life.
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Nov 20, 2011 6:25 AM

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I love this show!! ^^

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Nov 20, 2011 7:32 AM

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>>>>>>>
 
Nov 20, 2011 2:04 PM

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Fukuda is so awesome!!!! War begins!!!
Another great episode of Bakuman, this second season is high level, this arc is one of the best of entire series, I remember only Ashirogi's divison was so intense!!!

next to 8th ep
 
Nov 21, 2011 6:03 AM

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EXCITINGGG! ♥

ALL IN FOR THE BOYCOTT! TEAM FUKUDA, FIGHT-O! But srsly, Mashiro is going to die if he keeps drawing w/o rest. And asdfghjkl Hiramaru is just made of win in this episode. Really.
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Nov 21, 2011 8:11 AM

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Kuchenlight said:
Just for this whole controversy not being too overweighted by "Mashiro's dumb"-opinions:
I disagree.

There is no guarantee whatsoever, that Mashiro'd get a popular series ever again. If he'd stop now and then being unsuccessful for the rest of his life (like his uncle was, after Superhero Legend), he'd obviously regret it forever.
And that is exactly why there is no such thing as right or wrong here. Many people would prefer death over a whole life of regrets.
It's his decision.

Well, so much for my opinion.


It's not his decision. Why? Because he's still just a kid. Kids don't make these kind of decisions by themself. If he was an adult, then it would be his decision to keep on drawing but even then he couldn't do anything about if the chief editor wouldn't publish it.

Like someone already said, these two episodes have been almost unbearable to watch. Spoiled kids acting like they know what they're doing. Someone needs to stop them from doing stupid things and this time it's the chief editor.
 
Nov 22, 2011 10:29 AM

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Late said:
Kuchenlight said:
Just for this whole controversy not being too overweighted by "Mashiro's dumb"-opinions:
I disagree.

There is no guarantee whatsoever, that Mashiro'd get a popular series ever again. If he'd stop now and then being unsuccessful for the rest of his life (like his uncle was, after Superhero Legend), he'd obviously regret it forever.
And that is exactly why there is no such thing as right or wrong here. Many people would prefer death over a whole life of regrets.
It's his decision.

Well, so much for my opinion.


It's not his decision. Why? Because he's still just a kid. Kids don't make these kind of decisions by themself. If he was an adult, then it would be his decision to keep on drawing but even then he couldn't do anything about if the chief editor wouldn't publish it.

Like someone already said, these two episodes have been almost unbearable to watch. Spoiled kids acting like they know what they're doing. Someone needs to stop them from doing stupid things and this time it's the chief editor.

So, and now I say it IS his decision. What now? Ooooh, I know, law right? That's really creative. If you wanna think in shallow dimensions like this, fine. Then you shouldn't watch the anime anyway.
 
Nov 22, 2011 11:15 AM

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Late said:

It's not his decision. Why? Because he's still just a kid. Kids don't make these kind of decisions by themself. If he was an adult, then it would be his decision to keep on drawing but even then he couldn't do anything about if the chief editor wouldn't publish it.

Like someone already said, these two episodes have been almost unbearable to watch. Spoiled kids acting like they know what they're doing. Someone needs to stop them from doing stupid things and this time it's the chief editor.


If these 2 episodes have been unbearable to you I advised you to watch ep 9 next week
You will be suprised!!!
 
Nov 23, 2011 7:08 PM

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This was such a dramatic episode, ESPECIALLY THE ENDING!!
 
Nov 23, 2011 9:41 PM

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I do agree this situation seems rather ridiculous. I just can't fathom the extent to which they're ignoring Mashiro's health, as it's a serious matter that clearly shouldn't be ignored. The editor-in-chief is only doing the responsible thing, I'm sure it's hard for him to make that decision, but honestly...I understand being passionate about something, but it's silly to put all of that over your health when you're only a teenager in high school.

Nonetheless, I'm not hung up about it or anything, I'm enjoying the show. :)
 
Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM

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I suppose this is just a cultural thing with me, or maybe I'm just becoming an old fuddy-duddy, but the Editor-in-Chief doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Mashiro is gonna need surgery and recovery time. He hasn't been told not to draw at all, but he's shown that he doesn't know how to responsibly take care of his health. Sure the "until graduation" point may be pushing it a bit, but it is still a reasonable thing to do. If he were to collapse again I wonder if everyone would be so proud...?

 
Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM

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Hmh, took me a while to realize he won't be going to school while hospitalized, but after that I'm totally on Mashiro's side - he'd have so much more time to draw that there's no way he'd be pushed to the same point again (properly managed of course, and using that extra time to rest instead of "work harder"). I was expecting someone to use that as an argument...
 
Dec 2, 2011 11:25 PM

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BOYCOTT?! wow nice. I really like how much more dramatic this season is.
 
Dec 7, 2011 11:51 PM

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More MashiroxAzuki moments <3
and wow, if everyone who knew Ashirogi went on hiatus, that would be..interesting to see :P
 
Jan 23, 2012 8:29 PM

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Hiramaru doesn't cease to amaze me...I love that guy XD

The whole boycott thing sounds amazing!! LOL I just want to see the mess they are going to spur up :P
 
Feb 1, 2012 1:45 AM

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BOYCOTT!!!!! FUCK YEAH!
 
Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM

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I love it !!!! Very amazing ep !
 
Apr 4, 2012 9:58 AM

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Wow...

As much as I love how the rivals work together... I just can't support them. They're killing Mashiro. Though it's true that putting them on hiatus till April is un-called for.

I'm in favor of Ashirogi Muto on hiatus for 4 month, but not til April. Allowing him to draw is just beyond stupid.

Eiji, awesome as always.
Hiramaru, even more awesome than usual.
Fukufa, a dumb ass as always, but pretty bro.
Aoki... Still unpredictable...
Nakai, the most realistic of the bunch actually.
 
Apr 8, 2012 11:48 PM

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Loved the boycott idea

Definitely do not want to see them on a hiatus
 
Apr 16, 2012 9:24 AM

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Ooooh exciting!
 
May 11, 2012 9:19 PM

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Holy shit even Aoki is agreeing with this! Dayum! They have freakin good friends I tell you.
 
Aug 3, 2012 1:43 PM

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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Mashiro/everyone supporting him to keep drawing in the goddamn hospital before a freaking surgery was fucking insane.
I mean seriously, I know Trap was a new series and all so it'd be bad to put it on hiatus when it just got popular but that was just them assuming their fans would ditch them and it's not like they couldn't churn out another series if that happened anyway.

The editor-in-chief's decision was perfectly reasonable since drawing in high-school was what made Mashiro collapse in the first place, so it was pretty immature to portray him as a 'villain'.I like the guy.(he kind of reminds me of Jose Mendosa from Ashita no Joe, only with glasses.)
Speaking of ANJ, the reference they did of it last episode with Mashiro relating the situation to that of Joe's last battle was contrived as all hell, and it kinda disturbed me.The context in both situations is COMPLETELY different.

As for the boycott, Fukuda being the hot-head he is makes it kinda believable, but it's still dumb.
Yeah, they're trying to 'help' Mashiro but in reality all they're doing is just going along with his bullshit about drawing manga in the hospital.
If you ask me, it's not friendship when you're leading that person towards the path of self-destruction just because you have a desire to compete with them, no matter how much they might want to compete too.That's called being a dick.
And the fact that the goddamn editors, who should behave like adults and be the voice of reason are (apparently, I forgot if they do or not) going to jump on this bandwagon is...Ugh.
Hiramaru wanting to join immediately was funny though.

Sigh.After re-experiencing Bakuman through the anime, I've come to find that it didn't hold up as well as I thought it would.But then again, it's been a really long time since I've read this part in the manga and I couldn't tell good from bad back then.
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Sep 18, 2012 3:51 PM

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I understand both sides, but I guess Mashiro should get the final decision on whether he needs to go on a Hiatus or not.

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Oct 1, 2012 7:47 AM

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This is something I love to see, the whole team getting together to stop this hiatus. So damn exciting! :D
 
Oct 3, 2012 10:48 AM

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Dat boycott, oh I'm loving this.
I can't wait for more.
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Feb 21, 2013 2:34 PM

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this is so unrealistic, I'm actually gagging.....a bunch of spoiled, rotten kids band together for the sake of a retard thinking 'I'M FINE, I DONT NEED A LIVER TO DRAW....I'M FINE, I DONT NEED TO EAT OR SLEEP EITHER' by holding the company that gave them all a chance hostage with a threat of hiatus

i wouldnt want to give up MY own personal dream that busted my ass for some short sighted, obnoxious kid who doesnt get to draw for a couple of months.....boo fucking hoo, if mashiro had to wait till he was 33 like nakai, before he got his first serialization, mashiro wouldve jumped off a building already....does that mean that mashiro is more determined and dedicated than nakai? no, it means he cant have it his way....so he'll throw a tantrum until he gets it. same thing selling out to mainstream because he thought it would gain him #1 status.
 
May 26, 2013 8:13 PM

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Great episode, but don't agree with it.
 
Jun 26, 2013 2:08 PM

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Lol eiji's words at the very end were awesome "SO EXCITING"
"Even if the Morrow is Barren of promises Nothing shall Forestall my Return."
 
Sep 8, 2013 10:14 PM

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This episode was simply amazing. I really loved the discussions with Miho, the visits in the hospital, their meeting for the boycott and the editors' meeting.. You could feel the emotion. 5/5

And team Fukuda ftw! It's amazing how they all work together for their comrade/rival's sake! This is what good rivalry is about. Today and in history many people just wished mischieve on the people who seem to be rivals, but this is how it should be.
 
Dec 10, 2013 6:25 PM

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Until April :| well this doesn't look good but well the others are going to boycott it so let's see what that will do and damn Miho sure is cute :3
 
Dec 20, 2013 11:11 AM

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His health is more important. why cant they just publish a chapter once in two weeks>
it will give him more time to rest
 
Jan 5, 2014 6:02 PM

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Of a fairly large cast of characters, there are two people who don't sound bafflingly stupid at the moment. They are, of course, the editor in chief and Mashiro's mother. I can't fathom how anyone can even suggest that Mashiro keep up with the schedule that put him in that position in the first place. You don't have to stop drawing, you don't have to stop working on Trap. You have a guarantee that your serialization will continue at a point in time where there is no longer anything (like, say, high school) in your way. There is absolutely no reason you can't recover, finish school, and come back stronger than ever. But no, everyone and their dog is horrified by such an idea. "My uncle who died because he was overworked was proud of the fact that he overworked". What in the hell is wrong with these people!? I swear this has gone from one of my favorite shows to one of my least favorite shows in just two episodes.

This. I was gonna post this in the episode 6 discussion, but I decided that I would see if it would be resolved in episode 7. Unfortunately, I only got more frustrated, and I think my marathon of Bakuman is going to go on a hiatus until I am not as aggravated. I hate to be one of those people who are venting their frustration, but this episode's subject matter is seriously affecting my enjoyment of the series. Overly zealous determination is the origin of countless stupidities in the world, and I'm not liking the message this anime is conveying in the past 2 episodes.

For those people arguing that Mashiro is worried about the worst-case scenario that his manga does not become popular again, think about the worst-case scenario on the opposite side. His health worsens and Mashiro becomes physically unable to draw. Even without death, that is a much worse destiny than a cancelled manga series.

On another note, I think that you can easily use these past two episodes as an centerpieces on a lecture about the pros and cons of libertarianism.
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Jan 21, 2014 12:08 AM

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Things are getting pretty good.
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Hiramaru doesn't cease to amaze me...I love that guy XD

The whole boycott thing sounds amazing!! LOL I just want to see the mess they are going to spur up :P

Yea Hiramaru is a pretty interesting character :)
 
Jan 27, 2014 4:15 PM

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Poor chief, I feel him. I'm sure it's not wha he want, but he just don't want to see what happened to Mashiro uncle happen to him. He was surely deeply affected by his uncle death.

Mashiro and Miho are cute when they are together :3

Poor Miura, having to deal between his boss and his demanding autor xD

I was pretty there would be a boycott from the mangaka at one point because of the scene in the OP where they are all in front of the chief desk.
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Feb 10, 2014 9:04 PM

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Mashiro I support you! Real men don't need rest. All they need is their burning spirit! It's time to go Gurren Lagann style. Row Row Fight the Power!!
 
Feb 21, 2014 5:46 AM

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This is bullshit !
It just reminds me of how awesome the characters are..
Hiramaru is freaking hilarious.. HAHAHA.
Aoki even gave me a shock.. she's damn cool yo.
 
Jun 17, 2014 1:38 PM

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I guess we can't really empathize with Mashiro and how he feels as we are not Mangaka; but I'd probably try to continue my series, if hospitalized, if my manga was at a status like theirs.
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Aug 1, 2014 9:31 AM

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I can't believe they are all acting so "omg he should draw manga while he is hospitalized due to too much manga drawing".

Chief Editor is right.
 
Dec 19, 2014 4:17 PM

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i totally agree, Niizuma…
EXCITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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