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I always thought Jacks earings where green... but whatever ~(-w-)~

My favorite part of this chapter was when Gil screamed, the concerned look on Vince's face, and Break and Rufus.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the rest of the chapter, but that part... I love them ಥ_ಥ

OH MY GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWD, I CAN'T TAKE THE ONCE A MONTH RELEASES! I NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW TT-TT
but then ph would be over and I think that would be worse than death

Awww Jack. D: I still support him as ever though.

Lacie is so adorable.

And more is unearthed regarding Jack and Lacie... Certainly good to get some backstory here. Now I'm curious how Glen fits into the picture exactly, and who precisely Lacie is. Obviously there is a connection between Lacie and Alice & Alyss... And Lacie has the power to create chains much like B-Rabbit (and most chains in general?). And she's associated with the Baskervilles (and presumably Glen)--but is she supposed to be locked up, much like Alice was? (Alice who would sometimes switch places with Alyss?) I'm going to have to seek out all those little flashbacks now in past chapters...

Regarding the one/two pages this chapter not in flashback mode: I'm a bit surprised Break managed to pin Barma so quickly. Of course, Barma may be hoping to get a few words to Break, before bringing out his chain and escaping with the Baskervilles. I still have the feeling Barma's not truly on the Baskerville's side, but the fact it was Glen who sacrificed himself (or was sacrificed?) for the sealing stones certainly complicates things.

Some food for thought: Lacie snatched a pair of fancy scissors and gave Jack a haircut with them. Any chance Jack has kept these scissors?
As we know, it was a fancy pair of scissors that were (presumably) used to kill Alice. >_> I know the chapter was making it look like it was Vincent's doing (and it seems he would have been glad to do so), but this *is* Pandora Hearts...

And on another note: Jack's mother lost her mind, and Jack lost "everything." So I'm guessing Jack's mother did something like kill herself and burn the house down? It seems his mother's heirloom was enough to get Jack back into the Vessalius house, but I wonder if he met up with his father again? I'll be curious to see if this is addressed next chapter.

I LOVE Jack even more now. He always my fav, and now that he got some naughty past, i adore it. I dont get the point of Jack haters. Jack did what he did, to survive, and so that way, to be able to see Lacie someday, which he deeply loved. It must have been so hard to steal and sell his body T_T
yet he carried on, always smiling with pain and hoping to see Lacie again. He might not be the Hero of the tragedy of Sablier, but he is definitely MY hero XD




So true. I dont believe everything Jack said about glen is a lie. Even if turns out that Jack was evil, i believe he really treasured Glen as a best friend.

what a coincidence!i got my 7th vol yesterday and i jumped of joy;3 and its Jack on the cover, kyaaaaaaa

oh that pic really resembles Lacie and Jack. Because im sure that Jack without his hair unbraided must have precisely that hair!!!*.*

Well tbh I don't think Glen did something bad. I had all my faith on Jack and guess what, he didn't seem like he actually deserved it. Whatever he did, it seems he was the cause of the massacre, not Glen. And besides killing Glen, he didn't seem so eager to help Gil when he himself slashed him and almost killed him lol

Jack cause of the massacre?? D: That's completely unfounded at this point, especially considering it's blatantly shown that Glen ordered the massacre and that Jack was very unhappy about the massacre. But I'm sure... Glen... had a perfectly reasonable explanation for wanting to kill the entire city? O.o;; I'm sure he had SOME "ends justify the means"-style explanation for it, but to say "I don't think Glen did something bad" is willful ignorance. Nobody's innocent here and, as far as we know right now, Glen still has the most blood on his hands.

Also, Jack did not "almost kill" Gil. He very explicitly and deliberately gave him a non-lethal slash - much lighter than the one Oz gave Gil during the coming of age ceremony, btw, since Jack's slash didn't even leave a scratch - and Jack still stayed at Gil's side for a bit after that before going to find Glen again (because, y'know, Glen was massacring the whole city and most likely about to do something bad to Alice). What else could Jack possibly do right then? He was probably on a deadline (judging by Yura's reenactment of the massacre at here + 2 pages) to stop something by midnight, and considering that the Clock Tower of Silence was frozen right before midnight, he barely made it.

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Okay, Theory Time!
I'm... preeetty convinced that Jack was partially possessed by somebody - Lacie or Alice (or Lacie possessing Alice who possessed Jack XD) - during the tragedy:

First, we have the picture of Alice with unconscious Jack who has his sword arm on a string, strongly implying manipulation.

Second, we have the fact that Jack was crying and terribly unhappy throughout the entire tragedy. He wasn't acting like himself (based on Gil's surprise at being slashed, Vince saying that everyone was acting weird because of Alice, how what Jack was saying out loud didn't always match with the agonized emotions he was showing). I mean really, there's a scene of a very miserable-looking Jack, apparently arguing with somebody in his head, saying "Stop it. I don't want to kill people!!"

Third, there is the scene where Jack first confronts Glen. Two odd things happen. First, Glen warns Gil not to come near them, because Jack isn't acting normal (as reinforced by Gil's surprise). Then, Glen attacks Jack. Now, Yen Press translated that last speech bubble of Glen's as "Jack... I must... I have no choice but to take your life--!!" but the actual Japanese volume says "Jack... I... [action particle towards] you--!!"

I dunno how Yen Press got all that out of the vagueness of the phrase (even though, based on the context of Glen charging Jack with drawn sword, we're expected to understand that the "action particle towards" is one of violence), but it still makes me wonder why Glen would have "no choice" but to kill Jack. I don't think Jack non-lethally slashing Gil would provoke that, and Glen was already on a killing spree, which is why Jack was confronting him with desperate questions in the first place. Maybe Glen thought Jack was contaminated and so Glen had "no choice." Maybe the whole city was.

Fourth, we got Glen standing around dead bodies muttering "Lacie." It's too soon to tell if Glen's words are of lament, longing, or blame, but it's clear that something related to Lacie was happening.


Also, it seems that Glen might've done something way in the past that triggered a chain reaction leading to all this, and it weighs heavily on Glen's conscience and karma. Just... the way he talks to Leo during this scene: "Remember that you are the cause of all this. Remember, the fact that you brought him back to life does not mean you saved him. Don't forget that you did this!" And later Leo has internalized this too: "Everything that's happened is because of me!! Well, me and the Will of the Abyss."

While it's understandable why Leo feels this way, Glen's words are interesting. They imply that Glen might've done something similar. This could actually be the reason he wants the Will destroyed. Something he tried to do backfired. Maybe this could also explain why he's hoarding Alice clones. No basis for this yet, but I think it'll be revealed that the Baskervilles are conducting secret experiments to draw the Will into a human-ish body in order to destroy/claim it.

Now that you said that, it's kinda possible. This page made me a little curious, more specifically the part where Jack says "Her eyes... are pulling me in", it feels like she would be able to control someone and make them do something for her if she really wanted to.

By the way, i don't know if anyone noticed something when Lacie started killing those guys in this chapter, take a look here. And we even started a theory that Lacie may be Alyss. I'm belphegar there


It's kind ironic how Lacie said all these things to Jack, about not accepting everything he's being told, but in the end he ended up doing all she said "If you are hungry, eat. If you have no money, steal. You've got good looks, Jack. You could sell your body if you wanted to." Everything just to find her, i kinda loved that. It was... crazy, but awesome somehow.

Those pages... Who is the harmony of the abyss?

Now that i stopped to think about it, there's nothing buried in that grave if it's really Lacie's, right? If she was really sacrificed, i don't think her body would stay in the human world.

Yeah, I noticed the B-Rabbit shadow, but I don't know what to think of the connection between Lacie and Alice yet. They act very similar, but I think there's other explanations for that. Unfounded speculation incoming: I think they were both possessed by the Will as a result of experiments conducted by Glen to harness its power and find a way to destroy it. I think the Black Rabbit is separate from both Lacie and Alice, but I do also entertain the possibility that Lacie was the first one linked to Black Rabbit. The Alices, however, were born from a human womb into the Abyss.

Interesting, it explains this (The picture in which dead bodies are shown. The one beside the picture of stabbed Yura)

It seems that Jack did kill people, but, as you say, he might have been manipulated.

I wonder if he killed those people because of B-rabbit's power?

Yeah, I'm even more sure of Jack contracting with B-Rabbit during Sablier tragedy (only way he could've defeated Glen), getting overwhelmed by its power (as any human would) and losing control, resulting in a homicidal rampage to protect Alice.


I don't think it's a "who." I think Jack is basically asking Glen if he wants to claim the Will's power for his own ambition, or if he just wants to restore the Abyss to the harmonious Golden World it was before the Will went haywire. Because if Glen wants to replace the Will, like he sorta implies here, he'd basically crown himself King of the Afterlife. That's a lot of power. Leo later explains that the Baskervilles want the WotA in order to destroy it, but it still doesn't quite answer the allegation in Jack's question.

Oh yeah.

Not helping one wounded guy to go and try and stop a guy ordering deaths is bad.

Ordering the deaths of an entire town out of what seemed like a fit of rage to hurt the Will of Abyss, yeah, that's not bad at all.

I applaud your sense of morality.

One thing I'm feeling a little confused about- What are the Baskervilles trying to do with Glen? Lotti says they want to put Glen's soul to rest and Leo says he wants to ask Glen how to get rid of the WotA. But it seems to be Glen's soul talking to Leo here.
Shouldn't Leo be able to contact Glen's soul? Shouldn't the Baskervilles be satisfied now that they know Leo is Glen?

It feels very probably that Jack is being influenced by someone else.
He does seem to know the affect of B Rabbit's power, as shown here, where he implies that he sent Gil to bring Oz down from his crazing after Alice. Although, according to the WotA losing your mind isn't too odd when your a contractor.
Thinking along those lines- Break says earlier that B-Rabbit's power is the same as Mad Hatter's. Does this mean that B-Rabbit can kill other chains?

Lacie feels almost like a midpoint between Alice and Alyss. Lacie cutting and kissing Jack's ear in an attempt to cheer him up is very reminiscent of Alice biting Oz's ear for the same reason. Their mannerisms just seem so similar. Infact, Alice reminds me more of Lacie then of the sweet, good Alice Jack knew. And while Lacie's homicidal moment reminds me of Alyss, it is not as if our Alice is a stranger to violence. In fact, she likes killing those she doesn't like. While we haven't seen her actually kill, this was mostly do to Oz holding her back.
And I find the similarities in Jack's love of Lacie and Oz's love of Alice disconcerting. I had almost forgotten how much he adores her, but in Cheshire's dimension Oz describes her in a reverent way similar to how Jack talks of Lacie and doesn't Jack liking Lacie's song because of her remind you of here, where Oz doesn't mind the rain because Alice can enjoy it? I see Oz spiraling down the same path as Jack, with Alice in one hand and B-Rabbit's power in the other, and I find myself very scared for him...

Leo is able to talk to the Glens (when he's not actively suppressing them), but he's not able to get real answers out of them. They seem to be experiencing some kind of memory loss. I think that's what the sealing stones are doing: sealing off the Glens' memory, knowledge, and/or aspects of their power. I think Lottie wants to put Glen's soul to rest in the sense that Glen had unfinished business from 100 years ago and can't be at peace until he follows through.


Pretty sure, yeah. I think it's the only way Jack could've defeated Glen's uber-chains. Jack also threatens the Baskervilles with B-Rabbit power. Looks like he knows what he's talking about and so do the Baskervilles. They probably encountered Jack in B-Rabbit mode during the tragedy, and so far we've only seen Abyss-rejecting chains like Mad Hatter be able to kill Baskervilles.

I haven't got around to commenting on this chapter yet so here I go.

I really enjoyed this chapter and liked the Jack background Jun's giving us. I hope it continues. My opinion of Jack hasn't changed at all. I believe both Glen and Jack had their reasons for what they did, and I will wait until I have the full story to judge.

I have a couple of theories I would like to run by you guys.
I dont think Jack and Gilbert ever had much of a connection/relationship where they were close 100 years ago. Jack pretty much denied any time as his master when Gill asked if he was the master that he served but couldnt protect.
here

http://www.mangareader.net/350-24667-29/pandora-hearts/chapter-38.html

and here

http://www.mangareader.net/350-24667-31/pandora-hearts/chapter-38.html

when Jack is telling Gill what happened if taken metaphorically it sounds like Gill just tried to stop their fighting and was betrayed by Jack as in stabbed in the back, and Jack's face when talking doesn't look like he was sad. It looks like he was stating a fact of what happened (albeit cryptically but im new at this give me a break).

Now that I think about it there were so many instances that hinted at Jack not being his master!

About the recent chapter though
I think Lacie and Jack spent more time together then it looks like in the chapter.

http://www.mangareader.net/pandora-hearts/66/19

In the background it shows (memories?) of what they did. I agree with everyone else that it would be weird if Jack became that obsessed with her in a day, but over a long period over time makes more sense.

oh yes also crack theory time!

did anyone think that Alice Alyss and Lacie could be triplets? sisters at least. they all look alike and have the sameish powers.

And who is this Oswald guy? he has never been mentioned before so I dont think he will be that absolutely important, but this is Pandora Hearts so ..... I'll probably eat my words like next chapter.

Yeah, I definitely agree that Jack spent more than a day with Lacie, but I don't think it could've been more than a week or two. I think Jack spent a lot more time with Alice than he did with Lacie.

And yeah, I do think there's some kind of trinity going on... although I'm not sure if it's between Alice, Lacie, and Celia or between Alice, Alyss, and Lacie. Celia is another anagram name, but we hardly know anything about her while Lacie and the Alices keep getting mentioned over and over. I think she'll become important as this flashback arc progresses.


Well, in the Japanese Jack says "you're wrong"/"it's different," not just "nope." I don't think he was exactly denying being Gil's Master as much as just avoiding that part of the question and shifting the conversation to creative truth-telling about the second part of the question - whether Gil failed to protect him.

I do think that Jack and Gil were pretty close. Jack was the one who saved Vince and Gil from the street, Jack took them both to see Alice, Gil served Jack tea whereas he seems more hesitant with Glen. Any time Vincent thinks about restoring Gil's happy past, he thinks of the three of them together or even just Gil with Jack. Jack also seems really confident that Gil won't be able to hurt him. Jack was sad from slashing Gil, and has shown genuine remorse several times, including immediately afterwards, and it also seemed like Jack tried to change Glen's mind about choosing Gil as his next vessel.

Well...first off, I was amazed that Break managed to have Rufus pinned so easily 8D..hell ya, blind Break still got it! :P unless of course, Barma didn't have his heart in the fight after Cheryl an' all...but still, BREAK YOU'RE STILL KICKASS! >=D

*cough* anyhoo! Finally stuff about the tragedy is being revealed! I was quite surprised that Lacie also has red eyes...but then, it seems like she might BE B.Rabbit, as when Oz uses B.rabbits powers his eyes go red...and the shadow behind her when she was in the blood rain was definitely B.Rabbit shaped!
She's a bit of a nutter, isn't she? I thought she would just be this lovely girl that everyone loved...I guess not..ah well, she fits in in this series, and is scarily a cross between Alice and Alyss!

Jun said we've entered the 'flashback arc', so we should get a lot more info in the coming chapters...but...we won't be seeing a lot of the main characters for a while :( .. that makes me sad >.

Seeing as I am still trying to figure out what to make of Jack, I went back and reread some chapters, and I feel like an idiot for never noticing some things. A lot of things. Despite rereading the first five volumes probably upwards of thirty times (did I mention I'm obsessed with this manga?) One thing that I did manage to notice was that Oz, apparently, questioned Jack's words well before all of this...

As for this chapter, well, I'll admit that I rather like Lacie. Although, she never did say why she was wearing that dress. I'm pretty sure that she has a chain (ie, she is not a chain) that is related to B Rabbit, but a part of me thinks that a 'bloodstained black rabbit' may not have always been bloodstained, or some other rabbit changed along the way, or... I don't know. B Rabbit ceased making sense to me since Jack summoned it against Lotti and Alice was elsewhere. Hey, "Flashback arc", I'm rather wary of you, but answering that'd be appreciated. Also, is Lacie a Baskerville? It's obvious she's affiliated with them in some way, but her speech bubbles aren't doubled like regular Baskervilles... I am looking forward to knowing more about Glen, though. Also, the bit with "it was obvious that she did not belong to this dimension" makes wonder a bit if it has anything to do with the angel mentioned in St. Belligeron's legend - but I'll try to connect anything to that until/if it get satisfied, so maybe there isn't any connection.

I've thought that was implicit when she mentioned she had ran away from home. There was probably warm so she wouldn't need to wear any other type of clothes.

I feel completely the same way, Raemya. There is SO MUCH I never thought about, when it could've clued me in. I probably wouldn't had known about those clues even now if I hadn't stumbled across the forums...



I noted this, too. I would like to point out that Leo doesn't have double lines when he is being Leo, but does when he is Glen, as shown here.
Does this mean that some can turn their Baskerville qualities off and on?

I forgot about St. Belligeron's legend. I remember thinking when I read it that it might relate to Jack someday. Jun-sensei is not one to add odd details. While the connection is possible, I always took it to be a more metaphorical meaning, like something that happened to them 100 years ago was best sold through this myth.



While that is an explanation, I feel that we shouldn't assume anything when it relates to the manga.