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The scene with the serial killer was awesome. God, I'm getting so hyped for so many shows this season.

OH GOD. I DIED. XD

Jeezus, Caster/Bluebeard was brutal!

thanks for spoiling :(

Caster and his MAster is so sick :P

The guy Gilgamesh pierced his swords through can`t already be dead? :P

thats not a spoiler. it Will NEVER be explained in f/zero :)

Essentially, people have to be aware of the different levels of canon in Type-Moon and Nasuverse.

"SUmmoned Heroic Spirits are merely fresh copies of the deceased hero and are soon discarded after they are killed. The actual hero remains at the Throne of Heroes."

FAI, in the beggining ,Rin explain that the heroic spirits are summoned by the grail. While the Grail can't actually revive the hero , it uses "vessels" to materialize them, which are the classes...

unless this will be discarted in later explanations, i think the heroes are not just copies.

Yes, their's spirits were in the throne of heroes, but once they are summoned, they actually come to fight. If they die, the spirit come back to the throne.

they don't necessary die.

Erm. No. They materialize the copies of them. Thats pretty much the reason why they don't remember previous wars. There are only TWO spirits who actually get materialized as they are and not copied. The "records" in the throne are templates for summons so to say.

I still want to know where did you get this information, because im playing the VN of fate stay/ night and for now, no one mention that they are copies.

in which part of the VN they explain this? like i said, i got that explanation from the beggining, in the prologue of the game.

My hobby is murder. Murder and stabbing.

lolol how awesome.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed and actually liked the part where caster kills that boy? Like I genuinely thought it was fucking awesome. The way its portrayed and the way caster explained hope to fear was amazing. I think there's something wrong with me... I hope not >.<.

I lol'd.

When you learn Saber's identity you get a full explanation of how summoning Servants work and Rin finally outright tells you that Servants just get discarded "somewhere" after they are done. The Throne of Heroes and the Akashic Records are what holds all the memories and data of the Heroic Spirits. You don't summon heroes, you summon a copy of the hero into a preconstructed vessel. It's not even a full copy, it's a copy constricted into a class (which limits it's ability somewhat in accordance with the power of the summoner). The Grail doesn't have the power to summon 7 Fully powereed Heroic SPirits (nor are there enough magi to sustain and command such a powerfull force)
UBW will expand on this subject when you learn of Heroic Spirits in general and HF finishes this with the last details on Servants and answers what the hell actually happens to the "discarded" defeated Servants. If you've only played the Fate route you're not even scratching the surface of Fate/Stay Night.
BTW, I remember who one of them are but, who's the other one again Fai?

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One is directly summoned, sort of and not from throne due to the nature of that person's "condition" and the fact that that person is not technically a fullblown heroic spriit yet its all up to choice(god damnit spoiler tags not working SUCKS)

Other while is still copied form throne, due to I forgot what, is able to remember everything the previous copies experienced.

Pretty awesome episode (^_^) Ilya-chan was very kawaii! >< It's sad that there are only 13 episodes, but I can't really say anything about that since I haven't played the VN :( Anyways, can't wait for the next ep and to see more of the other servants (^_^)

thank you both for the info. But if that's the case, then Fate Stay/night it's worse than i thought. Or maybe Fate /zero has a differente touch.
my point is, in fate/ Zero, the servants looks really alive, there's not even a sign that they are copies. That's because the focus of the story is in their lives, and not just about the masters. When you say that they are just copies, you just ruin all that makes the story an amazing thing.
But, with fate stay/night , with NO character development, at least when we are talking about the servants, yes, they really look like copies. i would never doubt that. i will not point why i think the servants in fate zero looks like the real heroes of their times, because if you both read the book ,you know what i mean
I think , one of the reasons is because it was write by different autors with focus in different aspects of the story .
in my opinion, Gen Urobuchi take a history that many people found it pleasent , and made it better. Gen shows the war, and all the suffering that comes with it. like many people said here, the story is more adult than the original series.
Here in zero, they try to make a connection with the public and the servants, showing their past and their reason to fight. Just look to the ending of the anime, the public have the impression that what we see is the past of the REAL servants, i don't think they will say sometime "ah, they are just copies you know?"

Aww. Ilya was soo cute! but why doesn't she call Kiritsugu "dad"?

There's some good points there but also a little misguided. Maybe you're getting stuck on the copy part and can't move on to the fact that even if they're a copy, they have the will of the Heroic Spirit itself. His charisma, skills, way of thinking and goals are still the same.

Also, it's also important to mention, they aren't copies because the Grail can't summon their real self, they are copies because the World seeks order. To be a symbol of power and adoration the Heroic Spirit is preserved intact and as such Heroic Spirits are pretty much bound to the Throne of Heroes to stop it from being tainted with alterations. All that ever leaves are temporary vessels which vanish in the end along with any alterations and new memories. If that somehow lessens the excitement for you then I guess that's fine.

yeah, maybe you are right, maybe when i think that the souls of the heroes don't leave the throne of heroes, i see the servants as soulless. And maybe that's the reason why i can't see them as copies. the story makes sense in the way you put it, even so, it's not something that i expected. For me the story loses some of the glory

Man, it seems like I'm gonna become a lolicon from F/Z first Rin, and now Illya, how cute can they get!