Kara no Kyoukai: Tsuukaku Zanryuu Episode 1 Discussion
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View Poll Results: Kara no Kyoukai: Tsuukaku Zanryuu Episode 1 Discussion
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 142 | 69.95% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 37 | 18.23% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 17 | 8.37% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 3 | 1.48% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 4 | 1.97% |
Voters: 203
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07-22-08, 5:02 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Holy crap! They explicitly described the rape scene! I expected something radical, but not to this degree. The actings of Noto Mamiko as Fujino was incredible. She faithfully reproduced Fujino's weakness and cruelty. I'm not satisfied with the description of Fujino's power at the first half of the battle scene. It would have been a better composition of the layouts to make the destructions more dynamic. But the drawings of Fujino in her vomited blood was quite in detail and "painfully" beautiful. When the bridge collapsed, I was surprised to hear the slow BGM. It was a unique and wise choice to express Fujino's distress. In this OVA, it's not certain Fujino got blind due to the peritonitis. According to the interview with Nasu Kinoko, she did and that's her penalty for the murders. The last Shiki's smile shot me right in the center of my heart! Modified by dtshyk, 07-22-08, 5:39 AM |
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07-23-08, 2:11 PM
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That was already my favourite part of the novel, but I didn't think ufotable would do something THIS incredible. The adaptation was just perfect, Noto Mamiko was perfect, Yuki Kajiura's OST was perfect (without a doubt her best soundtrack ever), the animation & art too, so to sum it up, I'm uterly impressed...  In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
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07-23-08, 2:54 PM
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Without a doubt, this third movie obviously surpasses the previous ones. Goddamn, everything was just perfect: Animation, Sound, every darn thing. Mamiko's role as Fujino was more than awesome, Sakamoto's continues just perfect, jesus. I've got to hand it to ufotable, their special effects with the rain just takes my breath away. I don't even know what to talk about. I've got no words to describe the movie. : < Fujino's 'MAGAREEE' is going on repeat inside my mind. God. Another thing that just came to mind, I was told of the rape scene soon before watching the movie, but I wouldn't expect it to be as explicit as that. Perfect job, imo. Modified by Massaki, 07-23-08, 4:06 PM |
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07-23-08, 3:13 PM
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I really don't know what to say other than best thing to happen to anime all summer... |
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07-23-08, 3:17 PM
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Mamiko Noto is amazing. That is all. |
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07-23-08, 5:41 PM
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Some very powerful situations in this story. And it's great that ufotable is pulling out all the stops. |
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07-23-08, 5:58 PM
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When I see things like what Keita and his gang did animated, it makes me want to puke and chop some heads off. It's an important story element, I realize that but if you seriously think that's cool, you are better off dead. That's the only reason I'm not giving this a 10. The rest was amazing as always. I could watch a whole 2 hour movie animated like this, just showing rain in a few different places at different times during the day. The detail is mind blowing. The OST is the best one so far, I'm definitely getting it. Judging from the preview, the next movie will most probably by my first Rakkyo 10. I can't wait. |
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07-23-08, 6:40 PM
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Yeah it's definitely disturbing and if a person really gets off on seeing someone repeatably used and gang raped then that person should probably consider getting professional help. But as you said it's necessary for trying to understand Fujino or at least form some empathy with her. What I meant by it's great that ufotable is pulling out all the stops, is that they are trying to stay true to the source material and not remove an element entirely in order to cater to the widest group of people possible. Censorship just sucks, especially when it's financially motivated. If a person is not mature enough to watch something, then cutting out one scene and showing the rest of it to a 13 year old will still effect the kid in someway. It may benefit the distributor's wallet, but it will do more harm to the kid and society in the long term. |
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07-23-08, 6:58 PM
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I don't think anyone here mentioned that it was cool or good in anyway. Knowing Nasu's source material, the novel, while the rape scene plays an important part in understanding Fujino and the plot to the fullest, I don't think anyone was expecting to see what ufotable, and the other's involved with, did. You won't see that in your everyday broadcasted TV anime, but we kinda have to give props for the producers to leeping faithful to it's source, as well as not being a target to any kind of censorship (Alas, a simple phrase or two could knock out that whole part). Now, if there really was someone who actually enjoyed seeing that, god, professional help is needed. The movies haven't diverted one bit from the novel so far. I hope it stays that way. |
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07-23-08, 7:36 PM
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For those free downloaders, I quote the interviews with the Director Obunai and Noto Mamiko about the opening scene from the brochure of Tsuukaku Zanryuu movie. Interviewer: The opening scene was so shoking. Director Obunai: Is it? I think it's essential, so I should depict the scene in that detail. We have long discussed how to draw that scene and we took great care not to make it "Hentai anime". We are not making R18 anime. Yet, the whole story of Tsuukaku Zanyuu requires this scene and everything started from here, so I wanted to describe it fiercely. I had carefully deliberated on the moderation of how violent the scene should be. Interviewer: Could you tell us how you and ufotable decided on the opening scene? Obunai: President Koudou strongly insisted this movie should start from the rape scene. First, I resisted his opinion, but I agreed with him after long discussions with other staff. In any case, I was planning to make the opening scene shocking, so I'm satisfied with the outcome now. Interviewer: What do you think about the opening scene? Noto Mamiko: I was strongly impressed by ufotable's thoughts that this scene was indispensable for the movie. The viewers will throughly understand why everything turned wrong and downfall after that tragic event. But I expect some viewers will be jolted to see the part of the movie alone. It's up to each viewer, but I want the fans to sympathize with Fujino in her despair and fear. It's better to discuss this issue after understanding what the staff were thinking about it. Modified by dtshyk, 07-23-08, 9:44 PM |
#11
07-23-08, 8:50 PM
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It was indeed beautiful. The scene where Fujino and Shiki began to fight was breathtaking. However, my favorite soundtrack is still Fukan Fuukei's. Very very much looking forward to the next one, Shiki's accident is what interests me most so far. |
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07-23-08, 8:58 PM
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Best yet. And I think the opening scene was essential, as the staff say in dtshyk's quote. Stunning movie, absolutely flawless. |
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07-23-08, 9:54 PM
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My favorite Kara no Kyoukai movie yet. animation & music was amazing. This one gets a 10/10 from me.  |
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07-23-08, 10:05 PM
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I wonder how many times I yelled "FUJINOOOO" at my screen when I watched it. The adaption was much much better than I imagined it would be, and I was like the most, not prepared for this detailed rape scenes. I was expecting some shadows and moans or something. I loved the way the Fujino's bends were animated, and that last scene when she bended the whole bridge was amazingly animated as well. The battle between Shiki and Fujino, the rain, Touko driving, the music; everything was excellent in this movie. Waiting so long for this movie was more than worth it, 10/10 and as I was almost expecting, it ended up in my top 5 favorites. |
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07-24-08, 12:48 AM
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There are no words to describe how that made me feel. 30/10 I'll be over there getting stabbed by Shiki for Fujino. And damn I'll be enjoying it. |
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07-24-08, 1:51 AM
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Love the music, it been a while when I hear Kajiura near identical soundtrack of the anime Noir. I really Kajiura would stick some of the first movie theme back. |
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07-24-08, 8:18 AM
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I was grossed out but still in awe. I give it a 10 because it was just so powerful, it managed to depress me. This series is just amazing, and each episode surpasses the previous one. I love Shiki, but Kokutou remains the best character for me so far.   |
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07-24-08, 9:20 AM
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In the beginning...wow... Asagami just became the new Kotonoha of KnK.  |
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07-24-08, 10:31 AM
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This was quite great I have to say. It had quite a huge load of shocking stuff that caught me totally of guard after the quite last movie that showed some splatter too, but not actually this much of the action leading to it. Additionally to that the as always amazing animation made those scenes even more realistic as well as awesome. Other then most people here I strangely didn't found that much appeal in the ost/bgm. Overall a well deserved 9/10 I think.  |