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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- God, so many thoughts.. So it is indeed a Multiverse with parallel worlds. But if they are always fighting against other Earth's, I was wondering what happened in the first fights. First I thought those worlds might have been worlds that were extremely similar to the kids' world, like 99,99999% alike if you get me. My reason for thinking like that is because they were evacuating in the beginning, and they also had government Jet Fighters and stuff around, just like it was set up in the kids' world. So basically they could have been fighting against their own counterparts in those fights. That would also explain why they keep getting send to different worlds, and each new one is a bit more different from the kids' Earth than the previous one. But on second thought it could simply be possible that in those first fights, the enemies were sent to Earth just like the kids were sent to the foreign parallel worlds in the last few fights, I guess. Surprised me that Seki had something like a camera + recorder built into his body, but I guess that was the government's only way of getting a recording of the battles that happen elsewhere which we now know isn't even in the same world. And the suspension was high until the end, I didn't expect the kids getting attacked. I'm really curious as to who those MIB are. It probably has something to do with the goverment trying to control the whole issue. Also we got a new ED, a nice one at that. Though I'm surprised we get to see the guy who made the kids join this 'game' in the beginning again, I wonder if he's going to pop up again sometime later. It was really nice to see that Maki made it in time to see her new born brother, overall I loved this episode - it was great. We're pretty lucky that The Triad is subbing this awesome show ^^. Looking forward to more. |
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| Loved this episode because we finally got answers more clearly spelled out as to what is going on. I feel bad for the losing side in these battles. It was a sad sight having all those people still in the city holding up their signs while others just lie in bed awaiting the inevitable. Having a kill or be killed fight with no middle ground whatsoever sucks. Now that the truth is known to all the kids I can see at least a few of them having a moral dilemma with fighting other humans. I'm looking forward to seeing how they will tackle the issue when it's their turn to fight. Considering information about Zearth and the pilots have been partially leaked out and is being distributed in books, I'd imagine the men who tried to corner the girls are from a rogue organization trying to uncover the truth. The government official mentioned last episode how disasterous the information leak could be towards the children. Even though they're basically fighting for everyone's lives there would still be people who wouldn't understand and shift all of the blame on the kids. This would especially be true if they lost family and/or friends from the aftermath of previous Zearth battles. I never expected Seki to be recording their fights but I guess it's a good thing if it will help the government figure out something to help out the remaining kids. They have to get moving on a plan soon though or they won't have anyone left to save. I love the new ED. It was a bit weird seing Kokopelli again though. I also thought to myself what if he'll make an appearance later on however since they showed him holding hands with several of the kids that have already passed away I'm not thinking he'll be making a return again. I'd love to be shocked and proven wrong though. I can't wait to see the next episode. It looks like it will be one with more explainations and not any fighting which should be a good break from all the dead pilots the past few episodes. |
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| Home and away games, lol......that's one of the things I love most about this series: no matter how whacked out things get, there's always some kind of analogy or explanation that makes everything so clear, it's eerie. Because stuff like this really *shouldn't* be spelled out in simple terms like that. I'm soooooo glad Triad did a double release for 12 & 13. Don't know if I could've handled 12's cliffhanger :) I liked the new ending, too. That shot with the chairs circling around a 'vermillion' Earth with Zearth standing on top.....*shivers* Here's hoping for more quick releases! :D |
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| I am left speechless. ep 12 and especially 13 left me with goosebumps for the last 1 hour...Never thought it's actually a parallel world, whats more they even showed us what the vital point is... Nothing else to add, just waiting for the next eps! and I agree with _Sakura_-san, I'm glad Triad released a double release. |
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| Well, most of us were right in the beginning when we suspected that they were kids in the other mechs, but the multiverse theory that they're basing this on was somewhat unexpected. So far this anime definitely has one of the most interesting and intriguing story's of all the animes that I'm currently watching thus far. I'm eagerly looking forward to the next episode, since they're so many more questions left to answer. |
| zanmato - forgive me if I missed something, but I coulda swore that the pilots of the enemy mech were 'regular' people (aka not all kids....the pilot for sure looked like an adult). And the multiverse theory was definitely unexpected......except for tainteddonut, who apparently hit on it in a speculation comparison with Noein :) I didn't read it 'cause I haven't seen Noein and didn't want to be spoiled, but I do know that the show deals with alternate/parallel universes. |
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| I wouldn't mind seeing aliens or some sort of creatures inside the mechs, I just hope maybe somehow some kids could be saved. |
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| One of the best episodes so far. This "war" is really twisted. And the way this battle was set up gave it a tension and emotional range that surpassed the previous ones. We finally got some clear answers.. although many more arose. I really curious to know who's the mastermind behind all this. Even though Kokopelli's appearance in the new ending (which is nice - the ED I mean ^^), I still pointing at him to be Dung Beetle's master... I don't think it would make sense if the Villain was someone that had never appeared in the series before. I may be wrong though. cyruz said: I thought that too. But since Dung Beetle said "home and away" games, and since this is the first time we see fighters attacking Zearth I guess they did most of their games "home".So it is indeed a Multiverse with parallel worlds. But if they are always fighting against other Earth's, I was wondering what happened in the first fights. First I thought those worlds might have been worlds that were extremely similar to the kids' world, like 99,99999% alike if you get me. Seems that the other pilots are not necessarily kids too. At least this one's look like adults. tainteddonut said: Could be. It also crossed my mind they could be agents from foreign countries. But since it seems they don't have weapons I think it's too stretched out.Considering information about Zearth and the pilots have been partially leaked out and is being distributed in books, I'd imagine the men who tried to corner the girls are from a rogue organization trying to uncover the truth. The government official mentioned last episode how disasterous the information leak could be towards the children. Even though they're basically fighting for everyone's lives there would still be people who wouldn't understand and shift all of the blame on the kids. This would especially be true if they lost family and/or friends from the aftermath of previous Zearth battles. tainteddonut said: Indeed. But I honestly felt that researcher was more hyped about the battle itself, or maybe, if she had already realized they were fighting in "other" worlds, hyped about the "new discovery". W/e she was hyped about, she sure didn't seem worried for someone who's running out of time to save lives...I never expected Seki to be recording their fights but I guess it's a good thing if it will help the government figure out something to help out the remaining kids. They have to get moving on a plan soon though or they won't have anyone left to save. |
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Kayrhandros said: tainteddonut said: Considering information about Zearth and the pilots have been partially leaked out and is being distributed in books, I'd imagine the men who tried to corner the girls are from a rogue organization trying to uncover the truth. The government official mentioned last episode how disasterous the information leak could be towards the children. Even though they're basically fighting for everyone's lives there would still be people who wouldn't understand and shift all of the blame on the kids. This would especially be true if they lost family and/or friends from the aftermath of previous Zearth battles. Could be. It also crossed my mind they could be agents from foreign countries. But since it seems they don't have weapons I think it's too stretched out. I had a couple of ideas about that. My first thought was that they might somehow be connected to the Cabinet intel (?) guy who was arguing with what's-her-name (navy woman) in ep. 12. As to their motives, other than internal politics I have no idea, just a hunch. Then I thought, well, if the robotics researchers in this reality think they're close to working out how to release the kids from their contract, and there were all those people with banners etc. in that other reality who seemed to know far more about the whole alternative realities situation than people in this reality, perhaps yet another alternative reality has been concentrating their studying on how to transport people between realities. Maybe the men are there as saboteurs, to kill, subvert or otherwise mess up the pilots. God I love this series. Hope they publish the manga in english. |
| Awesome... Im really happy with the ending Maki got. Was very sad.... (happy yet sad...) Love the new ED too :D. As for those people trying to kidnap the girls at first i simply thought they were gonna rape them or something XD, i never thought of them being special investigators or something until i saw the preview and thought, oh yeah... ;). I cant wait for more releases from triad, another double release would be awsome ^^. Bokurano is win!!! |
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| This was such a sad episode, everyone wants to protect the ones they love on their own Earth but now they know that to do that they must extinguish the lives of billions of other people. I'm glad that Maki was able to see her brother for a little bit before dying, it really completed the emotional roller coaster of this episode to see that. I personally don't think that the children will be saved, one of the themes to this show is how powerless we really are and I think that no technology or diplomacy will be able to release the children from the contract. |
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| I think the real question is what time period was Zearth made? Dung Beetle made it clear that these battles have been happening for a long time. The universe and different possible futures for the earth have also continued to expand. So, if we're always moving forward then how and when was Zearth made? It couldn't be from the past or present since the technology is far to advanced. It also wouldn't make sense to be made from the future. Why would the future want to destroy their own progress? So something doesn't add up. It really does feel like a sick game that has no real goal at all other then to choose the strongest multiverse for some unknown goal. |
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| "Lookin' forward to your performance." Dung Beetle sees this as pure entertainment/comedy, and at his place, I'd probably say the same horrible things (horrible for the kids/others). I think that's why I love this guy so much, he's speaking my mind (Bokurano for us is an anime, so entertainment; we basically see it from Dung Beetle's point of view, unless he'd also disappear if his team died. But he doesn't really make it seem like it's the case, or he just doesn't care). I don't know how many reactions of his were identical to what I was thinking. I also loved his grin before saying "I don't even need to answer that." (to the question: "There are also humans in the other robots, right Dung Beetle?"). The ending reminded me of some thoughts in episode 12 concerning making public every detail/facts. I personally thought it'd be even more dangerous for the kids for the reasons as we saw at the end; people's reasoning will go haywire, and the children could easily be killed anytime in the streets instead. You can't trust logic when the end of the world or one's life is at stake for too many cases; and I hoped the government guy would have used that argument to make it simpler. (Even though I have a hunch those guys are more related to some underground group/foreign government/association than just a bunch of sick fucks; I can't imagine them just being pedos, heh, it'd be too easy, although it could be very likely) Great episode. Kirie Yusuke being the next one; I hope we'll learn of his background/see how he takes it. I'm having the impression he didn't get called to the meeting either, but I'll find out soon enough. |
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| I knew it! I thought the other robots, having a heart and one trying not to step on buildings, would be from other places possiblely with others (like them) controlling it! Alas so we cannot bathe in the safety of "protecting" earth but attack...what a cruel cruel game... |
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| Good development. Seeing the other planet go up in flames was pretty epic. |
| Damn ... I really wish I hadn't gotten spoiled about the whole 'destruction of the alternate universe' thing, though if I'd been watching this in '07 I probably would have figured it out by this point anyway. Still, actually seeing it animated was EPIC beyond EPIC ... I don't know if I've ever seen a whole unvierse die in an anime before, and this happens EVERY TIME THEY FIGHT. If they lose, it happens to them and everyone they know and love, and the others died to protect. Who in the hell are the sick fucks who run this game, anyway? What is Dung Beetle, and who is he talking to? A sadistic and brutal God who forces his infinite creations to kill each other by the uncounted trillions/quadrillions/googols ... after all, it's not just Earth, but all those other stars and whatever life is orbiting around them, as well. If that little puppet-thing was telling the truth (for once), then there seems to be little point in forcing the universes to destroy one another ... they are really and truly infinite in complexity and variety, and no matter how many Dung Beetle's masters destroy, there's always an infinity more... Eat your heart out, Evangelion ... THIS is how you make a dark, mind-fuck mecha anime! This just reached Masterpiece level. Let's see if it can sustain it. 5/5 |
| that part where the universe faded away into nothingness was such a tragic/dark scene. |
| Im just gonna copy the comment that says everything i want to say: There's some super intelligent beeings somwhere, that have seen the need to clean up in the mess of the multiverse. Why? I hope they tell us. That super-intelligent species has the means to immediately annihilate any universe, and they choose to do so by a "battle royal". Why? Why not just pick the ones you want to keep, and save yourself all of this mess? And then: Why pick an arbitrary number of earthlings, from a seemingly random location (japan), and why pick particularly humans? Why don't for instance the great apes, or dolphins get a say in this? If it's for evolutionary purposes (only the strongest will survive, as dungbeetle stated) then why would you decide this upon how good random teens are at fighting in a randomly designated giant mech? That's stupid! Also: the whole universe of that dimension gets wrecked? How about all the other forms of life that are statistically bound to be in that universe? (yes, I know "aliens" aren't proven to exist, but I'm not talking about the "alien visitor" type of aliens, I mean other forms of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe... ok... I guess this is argument kind of depends on what you think about the matter -.-) Anyways, I'm glad they gave us a little bit more story here. Now I'm only hoping they will fill in some of the stuff that makes the story stupid ^^" |
| This is officially the anime with the highest body count. By that I mean the most human beings killed in one anime. Multiple earths' each with nearly 7 billion people. Anyways good episode, but the whole plot is a bit iffy. |
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| I guess that's how the Big Rip will end our universe in the future. Everything explodes and disintegrates as particles are ripped apart. |
| "Everyone wears their own panties inside their heart" - Kousaku Hata |
| Really thought provoking episode... we should enjoy and appreciate our lives... most times we don't. In order to survive, we need to destroy others. Is that really that away from our lives? |
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| I actually cried when Maki died. She might end up being my favorite character, but with 11 episodes left somone else could take her place. It kinda upset me that the people of the Earth they were fighting had signs that said, "Please don't destroy our Earth," like someone was actually going to go for that. It's unfair to make the people in the robot feel bad and try to make them give up. It's an unfortunate thing, but everyone is going to want to fight for thier Earth, even if that means others have to die. I understood thier signs, but they upset me, because the kids were already in a tough spot and that just made it worse. |
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| No we finally know why this "game" was created! To weed out parallel universes, well man this episode sure gave us a lot of answers for the many questions we had and most of the ones I had a hunch about were actually true so man this is really getting damn good, I really wonder what's going to happen next! |
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| Amazing episode! That scene where whole universe has been vanished. Btw, this is strange when you suddenly hear ED song which you know before :D |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| Big reveal on the other pilots. Weird end to this one for sure with the group of dudes. |
| That plot twist; holy shit that's dark. Just thinking about parallel universes fighting for their own survival gives me goosebumps. I know it was hinted at in Moji's arc, but still... Seeing the humans in that parallel universe and how similar they were made their destruction that much more depressing. Maki envisioning the baby in her arms as she died got me pretty close to crying. Quite impressive with what little development she got. Looks like the fat kid is next. Interested to learn more about his past. I wonder who those guys were who tried abducting those girls. Way to end on a cliffhanger again! Best episode so far. It was a breath of fresh air learning more about the game at hand and how much more was at stake. I hope we learn more about who Koyemshi is though. 9.5/10 |
| best episode so far |
| oh naw bro i can't keep watching this. this shit just got even sadder. look at how little pilots there were left of that world. they had been fighting for longer than zearth's planet... don't cue the sad piano music. ya'll really had to fking add the element of real humans and emotions to robots. i always thought it was strange that the vital point's weakness emerged a ball that was more of a strange mechanical fizz when crushed, but it housed the pilots of the other world in it... they're all adults and the way that the planet's inhabitants protested for zearth's timeline to throw in the towel with posterboards makes me believe that they are more accomodated to the system - possibly also volunteers. wish they did that to the other two planets as well, i want to see each and every planet's pilot roster before they're all destroyed. this episode was an acid trip... started off boring with the "i want to see my baby brother being born" to surprise surprise... you're not alone, those monsters you have been fighting are fellow human beings, have fun rekting their planet. i am conflicted about continuing to watch, not because i like it any less, but the exact opposite. this "being in a scheme of something larger than yourself" i.e, the purging of universes is extremely interesting... everyone being launched into galaxies made me wonder what the hell was going on. i'm starting to get depressed from this anime HAHAH, i rarely noticed the soundtracks before this but they play it right at a good timing. it seems like there's a trend with my favorite episodes at the moment (episode 8 and 13) in that there's a 'heavenly' closure. maki holding her baby brother in the rocking chair was very moving and it gives you a sense of hope in despair. |
| Getting esoteric now, but only in the sense that they got to experience the defeated universe fizzling out. Still feels very cohesive. I wonder if the abductors were just random rapists, or if they carried some signficance to the plot. It's possible they want to question or experiment on the pilots of the Zearth. |
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