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Director Oshii wanted this movie to be seen on screen, so I watched this in the theater. The story was almost the same as the original one, although they re-recorded the voice actings and background sounds.

Major differences
1. 3D CGI
There are two full 3G CD scenes: the first one is where Motoko killed the diplomat and the second one is the diving in the sea. They are like SAC1 OP animation with higher quality. CGI works themselves were incredible and I was impressed with the description of Motoko dissolving into the background scenery, but I felt uncomfortable with the discontinuity between the 3D and 2D animations.
Most of the original CG works like the display of the traffics and the cyber brains were remade. It's a great advance in technology but not surprising for us having watched Innocence or SAC. The police helicopters were full 3D CG. Production I.G. have invented a new technique to naturally overlay 3D CG to 2D graphics, so those helicopter 3D models were somewhat matched with the background albeit not as good as SAC series. (probably because the graphics of the original GiS were drawn manually and the recent animations were drawn on PC.)

2. Sounds
Skywalker studio did a amazing job. The heavy sounds of the tank machine gun bounced on my stomach. The submachine gun with heavy jacket bullets, Togusa's revolver, Motoko's P90(?), they all sounded distinctively different.

3. Sakakibara Yoshiko as the Puppet Master
This is the biggest difference. The Puppet Master was called "she" not "he". I felt so much incongruous about this casting. At the last part when Motoko and the Puppet Master was about to merge, I understood the meaning of this sex exchange. "You and I are alike. Mirror image to each other." Tanaka Atsuko and Sakakibara Yoshiko have similar voices. I think Director Oshii tried to emphasize the similarity between the two characters by replacing the original voice actor Kayumi Iemasa. With Kayumi's voice, the merge appeared sexal, but in the new version it's more pure fusion of the two.

Minor differences
1. In the legendary scene "The net is vast.", orange lights reflected on Motoko's face. The city she was looking down was fully redrawn with 3D CGI.

2. When Motoko and the Puppet Master merged, Motoko saw an angel-like shadow coming down from the sky in the original version. In 2.0, it was not an angel but a flood of rays from the cyber brain networks.

3. As Ootsuka Akio mentioned in the interview, the conversation between Motoko and Batou was slightly "lighter" compared to the original one.

Actually there was also a lot of change in the lighting of each scene... the whole thing looks a lot more orange now... ( which fits in with Innocence and makes it look less like the Matrix, which totally ripped GitS off in that aspect )...

Also the diving scene was changed a bit toward the end... which together with the "lighter" conversations somehow made me feel like there´s something missing...



But all in all... how does one "rate" this thing ?

Sure... the original still has it´s 11 out of 10 score... ... but can you give this the same just because it´s the same movie or should the rating be based only on the changes they made... ...

Does anyone have an idea on what to do with that ?

the matrix merely used it as reference, i wouldn't call that ripping it off.


when i first watched this movie, i wasn't nearly as informed as i am now. it made far more sense this time. mostly about the philosophical aspects of the show.

the CG looked a bit rough though. i didn't like that aspect of it. if it has been more like appleseed's CG it might have been better but then that would be ripping it off right? hahaha.

the movie though was very good. probably better now that i understand it better.

Watching it the second time in HD goodness is fantastic.
Hmm, what can I say? It's the same as the original but with revamped sound and animation. Some conversations have been toned down, which I think is good for people who were confused with the first one.

Original was great, this one is fantastic :P

erm, i expected much more for all the waiting.
Motoko looked pretty scary most of the time, then switching between 3D and 2D was rather annoying.
The animators could do much better job on the details, after all the movie had huge potential and they used only 5% of it.

so...this is a remix and not a remake after all :D
excellent!

More like a remaster than a remake. 3D CG mostly unneeded and looking very bland. 'Greenery' aspect of the original gone..which is for the worse imo. There are also few more differences, menioned by others. Unfortunatelly, also for the worse. All in all, 8/10 but I'm disappointed with the changes.

'Rewatching' this felt great. At first the clash of the re-worked CG and the older animation style bothered me. But it's still GitS and I really enjoyed the story. They could've made it perfect though if they had re-worked some other parts of the animation as well. Still, 9/10.

Loved the rework of the CG, though a few points seemed to push things a little too far, like the Major in full CG at the start; at first I thought the whole movie was gone to CG.

Can't rank this one better than the original, though.

The opening CGI was so so awful, I was blinking in disbelief. It was like raping the original movie. It's rape. A fucking crime. And indicative of the degenerating quality of filmmaking in today's era, choosing easy plastic computer imagery over genuine effort and skill. Or as the Puppet Master herself says towards the end of this classic film: "copies do not give rise to variety and originality". Indeed.

Utterly utterly pointless and ugly remaster of one of the best anime films ever made. I have argued for the MAL page to be removed but couldnt convince those with power. All I can do is convince people that if they want to see an anime raped by CGI, go watch this.

The MAL page needs to be removed, or this site will continue to lag behind more legitimate sites like ANN, IMDB, etc. Is it so hard to implement 'alternate version' features on the site? Just put 'alternate version: GitS 2.0' on the left hand side next to the original's MAL page.

tis guy is hardcore

If you mean hardcore retard.

Offensiveness aside, I must say I disagree with Cihan. I enjoyed 2.0 :D

Even though I would not say it as offensivly as Cihan, I must admit he is basically right. This remake lost most of its atmosphere because of the CGI added. I mean, just watch it. One second, you have computer graphic, and then it changes to an old level of animation, it does not fit. No way. I gave it the same rating as GitS 2: Innocence since it is a very similair case: very good plot, but the animation was definitly bad.

Actually I didn't liked the CG scenes. Espacially the old opening scene was so much better.
But all the other changes were great.
I rated the original movie 9/10. Because there are good and bad changes it's +-0.

can't complain about the visuals.

i think they included some stuff. or maybe i catched the plot better since i technically re-watched this movie

I watched both movies one after another just to compare them.

GITS 2.0 was orange and very cold-looking but technically superior (loved that sound).

GITS (original) looked better overall. I compared screens from both movies and the original looked kickass great. Strange...(all that technology for v 2.0 and it still doesn't surpass the 1995 version for overall feel and look).

I'm a GITS freak so I still adore this v 2.0 but 1995 is the better version.

Sounds are brilliant, maybe the best that I've heared among animated movies. 3D is just fine, but I'd not say it was so necessary. So, 8/10 for this too. Good reason to rewatch for those who didn't.

I don't think the cgi sequences add much to it. The slightly out of sync sound problem on the original R2 DVD seems to have been fixed.

Enjoyed it just about the same as the original. The CGI and orange filter didn't really bother me, but I can't remember what the first looked like.
Never been a huge fan of this movie. I like the tv-series much better.

I enjoyed it simply because it was more or less watching the original again but simply outfitted with fancy CG for a few parts. Mainly the detail was rendered with CG in more scenes than I think people realize, unless u dont have a sensitive eye for things that look obviously digital. THe movie was good, and it is good that they did not just try and remake the whole movie completely, as seems to be the trouble with most movie/ production studios that butcher classics with their individual "visions". The legend shall live on ^^