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I don't see how an anime(Eva in this case) being famous has anything to do with how underrated or overrated someone sees it to be. You get an understanding for how others rate an anime by what you hear/see about it compared to your personal view of it. That is why you see so much diversity in this thread. I can see why gr33n says Eva is underrated, mainly due to the group of people who dismiss it and act as if it isn't a good series.


That argument is quite the cheap shot. You can find many animes that have traits that appear to be trying to appeal to someone around 13 years old, including Minami-ke and Haruhi... Except for 13 year old girls instead of boys. Not to mention you are judging that it is overrated without seeing the whole thing(or the manga for that matter).

Not for everyone? Did you see its rank in popularity + its ratings on this site? Serious? What's so serious about an overdone story about children in a war setting, failing at being emo and creating worthless drama? You fail. Try again.

I'm sorry, it was just too easy.

I actually didn't think Fullmetal Alchemist was bad at all, though I do think it's a tad overrated. Funny and lighthearted at times, serious when it needed to, action that doesn't bore you, production values were commendable, but the characters definitely needed work, the plot really wasn't very unique, not nearly consistent enough, and an ending that came out of nowhere.
It's a good series, just not that good.

EDIT: And yeah, 300 was supposed to seem like it was written by 13-year olds. It's pretty much a lesser Gurren Lagann that cut out most of the good stuff except epicness.
Regarding Gurren Lagann's overrated-ness: It probably is. Why? Because it makes you regress. It makes you shed your mannerisms and level head and act like a man. You throw away all intelligence and yell at your screen. It's simply inspiring.

Most overrated?

I agree on Gurren Lagann being most overrated. It's nice, but it's not THE masterpiece of all times. Death Note would be another example. The first half is very nice, but how can a show with such a weak 2nd half be rated so good?

Underrated:

IMO, the Maria-sama ga Miteru season are very underrated. It's just beautiful and full of great characters. It's serious yet funny and light, just heartwarming and it's so different from normal animes. It's also not really mainly a shoujo-ai love story. I understand that it's too boring for most ppl watching it. But I really think it's underrated.

most underrated: Street Fighter II V !!!

most overrated: Elfen Lied, Fullmoon wa Sagashite, Onegai Teacher, FMA....and most popular shows

Perhaps the manga is better, but that's besides the point, since we're talking about the anime here. And unless that anime somehow significantly improved in the last few episodes, I'd say 9/13 episodes is a fair enough basis to judge it by.

And I'd have to disagree with you on Haruhi and Minami-ke. They may indeed appeal to teenage girls (although I think we can all agree they're not the only target audience), but IMO both of them are a lot more mature than Gantz, and significantly better written.

Overatted: One Piece, FLCL, Naruto

Underrated: Outlaw Star, Gunsmith Cats, Bubblegum Crisis(original), Blue Seed, Blue Submarine No. 6

But that is just what I think.

I guess the entire idea of 'objectivity' is dead in MAL world. People will dig up its remains years from now and show them off in museums.

Making it entertainment. That's unique.



This is spot-on. It's ridiculous how much they managed to mess up such perfect starting material as the manga. If only they could have waited for a few years, they could have gone along with the original story, which is neither a mess nor full of ad hoc.

I'll add Top wo Nerae 1 & 2 to the Underrated pile. Maybe Underwatched is more exact, but the scores they are getting are a tad bit on the low side. They are worlds apart in exactly everything except scope - yet still they fit together, organically, complement eachother. Ideas run amok, directing is top-notch, graphics are old-school beautiful (1), or FLCL-style colourful and energetic. Sure, they are not fine-polished jewels: they are more raw, magma-dripping stones of pure gold drawn from the core of creativity.

They need your luurv.

overrated: naruto, bleach, cowboy bebop, Elfen Lied, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Neon Genesis Evangelion, most stuff from studio ghibli.
im not saying theyre bad, i actually like all these titles, but theyre just a little overrated to me.

underrate: major, gintama

Overrated: TTGL & Elfen Lied
Underrated: Gintama

Gantz is a 26 episode series... ~_~ Also did you watch the censored or uncensored version?

Not to forget that you are also judging how "mature" and well written Gantz is on seeing less than half of what was probably only the heavily censored version, while you are judging Minami-ke and Haruhi on the whole series... Which really doesn't say much for the legitimacy of your judgment.

Yes, just like 13 year old boys are not Gantz's only target audience.

Okey dokey, how about the fact that everywhere I turn, someone is complaining at how the first 10 minutes of the show suck and don't give the show a second chance? And besides, the concept you outlined is in fact unique for an anime. It's certainly unique when compared to the fan-service or bishounen filled crap that most anime companies shovel out every year.

Yes, it's high scored, but what I'm saying is that it's underrated because people base their opinion on the show on the first 10 minutes. What about the animation? Or characters? Dialogue?

"Nope, watching people talk about ways to eat food in comic fashion is unoriginal. Now, excuse me while I watch Code Geass, a show that's original because the lead is like Light Yagami only he has an ultra-powerful EYE that he uses to change the world around his personal needs!"

Who are these people you speak of? Id say the majority would watch it for at least an episode..
Yagami Light's original ? news to me

You can probably find them if you looked, but I also haven't seen many myself.
I think it's probably because of a certain troll review for Lucky Star that popped up a short time back.

And naw, the argument was that Lelouch is similar to Light, who's just a typical bastard, so he was a copy of a copy.

Uncensored, I think.


So tell me then, does the series really change in any major way after episode 9? Do they up the pace and introduce some cleverer, more interesting dialogue and scripts?

Why is it such a big deal that I didn't finish the series anyway? It stands to reason that if I get tired of a series then of course I'm going to ditch it. I considered it too crap to be worth wasting any more time on, and saw no signs that it was going to get any better.

Not all animes are all about a clever script. Some are about animation, others about comedy and romance, among others. It just happens that Gantz is a bit original in that category, more like Kaiji. But you will just have to watch the whole series to see for yourself.

Well how would you like it if I watched just 2 eps of Haruhi and said it sucked. That is about the same thing. You really have to watch a series before you can pass any kind valid judgment. You can't expect your opinion to be taken seriously when you don't even know the series' length.

By saying that you lost any validity that your opinion had on the series IMO.

Anyways, enough said. I really don't care if you like it or not. Just your original comment was a cheap shot that could be turned on almost any anime, which was my point.

Fail. In any TV show, good comedy and romance come from a good script.


I wouldn't mind at all. I can appreciate that not everyone will like it.


I accused it of being childish, when it's supposedly meant for adults (hence that R 17+ rating). How is that a cheap shot?

It is not smart to strawman my argument if you intend to argue against it.

So you missed the point, that may be true in a comedy anime, but not all animes are comedy and romance(nor did I argue that good comedy animes do not require a clever script, you made that up as an attempt to strawman what I was saying).

Others genres(like in Gantz) have many likable traits that do not revolve around a clever script. More of a failure on your part for completely missing the point and trying to argue against a strawman that you made. lol..

But you've seen what, 25 tv series'? Maybe you haven't seen enough to realize that there are genres out there that include angst, thriller, action, horror and tragedy. That are not always revolving around cleverness of script.

If you mean a clever story then Gantz has a very clever one, not an extremely clever script in what they say tho, it's not comedy...


Not to go on a tangent, but yeah. You would also likely take their opinion like a gain of salt. Which is what I'm saying yours is when it comes to Gantz. ;P You won't catch me passing judgment on an anime that I have seen little of if I expect to be taken seriously.

The rating is due to nudity and gore. The cheap shot was that you said you thought it was written for 13 year old boys(or specifically appealing to them). Which like I said can be turned on almost any anime. And therefore is a completely biased cheap shot argument that holds no validity.

Perhaps I phrased it wrongly. By "clever scripting", perhaps I should have said "good scripting". All shows need a good script. It can be funny, smart, deliberately stupid, or whatever, but it has to create something enjoyable for the viewer. And it's my opinion that Gantz was poorly written and terribly paced.

And what does seeing 25 series have to do with anything? Is my opinion somehow less worthy because I haven't watched trillions of anime series? There's a decent variety in the ones I've seen so far (which more or less cover every genre you mentioned, by the way), plus of course I've also seen many non-anime TV shows.

Oh ok, now since "good" is extremely subjective, sure. I won't attempt to say what is a "good" thing for a character to say based on your subjectivity... Often one person finds something to be good, while another does not. While "clever" is a much more defined term. But in that case I would surely say Gantz has a "good" script. :)

It has to do with the possibility that you have not seen an anime that has a genre that does not require a "clever script".

Again you are strawmanning what I said. I did not say your opinion is less worth "because you have not seen so many animes". Read what I typed again and you may realize that I was addressing the fact that you have not seen the whole anime. And did not have anythign to do with how many animes you have seen. Please stop strawmanning what I am saying and argue against what I am actually saying. If you don't notice the strawman fallacies you are committing you may want to read here.

So you will realize that a clever script is not totally necessary in an angst/thriller type anime. There are even animes that have no voices at all that many consider to be good.