Steins;Gate Episode 20 Discussion - Forums

#61 08-16-11, 4:27 PM
RedMage23 Offline Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 334	Supergrunt8 said: There is, but it'll probably be too hard to get there Pfft. "Too hard" isn't in the vocabulary of the great Hououin Kyouma. EL PSY CONGROO.

#62 08-16-11, 5:51 PM
hikaricore Offline Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 213	Like I said some serious shit will need to occur to save them both.

#63 08-16-11, 5:52 PM
Day2Dream Offline Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1243	So who didn't see this obvious outcome? =P

#64 08-16-11, 5:56 PM
hikaricore Offline Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 213	Day2Dream said: So who didn't see this obvious outcome? =P I bet this guy didn't: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=310355

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08-16-11, 6:00 PM

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This episode couldn't be more epic.

The cat's out of the bag and confirms my fear that Kurisu must die in order to save the world..DAMN! I don't want that! she is one of the few tsundere that I actually like D:
*Which is pretty obvious when you watch the ending and you see Kurisu trapped in the flow of time instead of Mayuri*
And with this episode my hate for Moeka ended...also Mister Brawn = FB!?!? didn't see that one coming at all.

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08-16-11, 6:08 PM

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hikaricore said:

Day2Dream said:
So who didn't see this obvious outcome? =P

I bet this guy didn't: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=310355

I face palmed =_=.

Blackbird said:
If it's a novell then it show a lot of details since it doesn't show anything about Nao about her time travelling.

kaimax said:
A Large chunk of the story got omitted, but honestly the part that was cut just complicated the whole situtation and it will need more episodes which we can't have.

so if anyone's wondering
WALL OF SPOILER for the omitted scenes. Read on your own violation.
I bolded the omitted parts

After confirming with Daru that the locker Moeka mentioned was in use, Okarin returns the phone to Moeka and invites her along to for a chance to find out who FB really is. She hesitates and doesn’t follow.

The next day, Okarin goes alone to the locker and he spends the whole day keeping watch but no one arrives to open the locker. Okarin decides to try and break the locker open. The police is alerted and he time leaps back. The next day, Moeka joins him bringing some food with her and the next day someone finally appears. He didn’t seem to be FB. They follow him onto the train but lose track of the man he passes the case to. After another time leap they finally manage to get back on track. Surprisingly, Braun from the old TV shop was arrives to give them a lift. Okarin time leaps again and goes to rent a car ready to trail Braun and the Rounders. Moeka was a “paper driver” which meant she hasn’t driven for a very long time but she manages to somehow… They end up arriving at Suzuha’s home where the IBN5100 is moved inside.

They watch the house waiting for any more movement. There was none. Night soon descended and the men who attacked the lab arrives. They take the IBN5100 and learn they were heading to France with it where SERN’s HQ was. Okarin calls Kurisu to tell her to keep watch from outside. She was to call for help if neither he or Moeka comes back out. They enter the house and Braun greets them. He collects the Divergence Meter yet again but sits down. The displayed value had increased which confirms undoing the D-Mails was working.

Moeka stays silent until Okarin reveals they knew he was working for SERN. Braun takes out a gun, his smile faded. He admits to be “FB” and was only using Moeka to find the IBN5100. She was no use any more. Okarin was angry. Angry that the very person that Suzuha had gone back in time and ended up looking after was the person to steal the IBN5100 she retrieved. As if in answer, Braun smiled and pointed the gun to himself. He’s sorry for Suzuha and pulls the trigger. After picking up “FB” Braun’s phone, Okarin tried looking for Nae but was glad she wasn’t there to witness the whole event.

Together they leave the scene quickly back to Moeka’s apartment, ready to send the D-Mail they need. However, just as Kurisu mentions she saw a little girl running out the back of the house after the gunshot, Braun’s little daughter Nae appears in the room and greets them hello. She suddenly takes out a gun and shoots Moeka, laughing eerily. She tells Okarin to wait in fear because he will be next in the future and runs out the apartment. Both Kurisu and Okarin were shocked. That did not sound like a little girl talking.

With the D-Mail on standby, Moeka apologises for what she’s done and passes out. Kurisu remains calm, urging Okarin to send the D-Mail but he doesn’t. He wanted to know the truth and who Nae really was. He time leaps back to before they arrive at Suzuha’s house and waits outside together with Kurisu while Moeka goes in alone this time. He instructs Kurisu to go in and pick up FB’s phone after hearing a gunshot while he goes after Nae.

Unprepared, little Nae brandishes a knife and lunges at Okarin’s shoulder. She reveals she was Brauns daughter who had time leaped over 2700 times to return 15 years from the future for revenge. But she couldn’t kill Okarin yet because otherwise she would never be able to travel back in time to kill Moeka like she just did. Either way, she joins Rounders and is the one that ends up capturing Okarin in the future, torturing him about his resistance group and letting him die a slow death. With that she runs off just as Kurisu catches up. Okarin takes the phone from Kurisu and sends the D-Mail.

After the timeline shift, Okarin finds himself standing in the streets and immediately heads to Moeka’s apartment to see if the D-Mail worked. She confirms she was no longer looking for the IBN5100. As he made his way back to the lab, he grimaced remembering what happened in the other timeline – Nae bent on revenge and Braun committing suicide to stop Moeka working for the Rounders.

Finally the IBN5100 was back in the Mirai Gadgets Lab. Okarin cries out happily, ready to have Daru erase traces of their D-Mail from SERN’s surveillance logs and shift the timeline for good so that Mayuri is finally saved. Unfortunately, Daru was away at the ComiMa so Okarin time leaps to the moment Daru is still around.

Daru sets up all the commands ready and gives Okarin the privilege to hit the enter key. However, just as he was about to execute the commands, he realizes he had forgotten something important… If he stops himself sending that D-Mail about Kurisu’ death, they will end up in a timeline where she will be murdered.

Dang. Nice additional information. Wished they included it but oh well. Would have loved to see

JAPF said:
Remember what the first episode is called folks?

http://i.imgur.com/ZNua7.png

I mentioned that in an earlier topic. =P

#67 08-16-11, 6:09 PM
katsu044 Offline Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1869	man my mind was blown more then once! i totally forgot how she died in the first episode :( and even now no one knows how that happened

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08-16-11, 6:24 PM

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Masterpiece XD Damn, wish he manages to save Kurisu though.

Hey, something beats me... if in the original world line they could save Kurisu by Okabe letting Daru know about her death with its D-mail, can't they possibly create other logical D-Mails to save Mayuri to move on to other worldlines which is not either alpha or beta they're in? I know Mayuri's death was certain, so she died in whatever circumstances Okabe D-mailed, but I feel strange that Kurisu was saved by that very first D-mail while they can't save Mayuri whatever Okabe does. I guess the most logical way is to find and send other coherent D-mails in order to save Mayuri and fight the SERNs back.

Btw, have Mister Braun and Moeka been saved by that D-mail or are they at the same situation as Mayuri? Man, I really should get this VN thing asap

#69 08-16-11, 6:33 PM
guantanamobay Offline Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1482	The moment Kurisu dies again, I drop this show.

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08-16-11, 6:46 PM

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Oh god i rewatched episode 1 and so much stuff sticks out like:

I think he’ll find a way to save both of them, but at a devastating cost, though there is a possibility of just letting Kurisu die and Mayuri live, but this is Steins;Gate aka if you think it'll happen one way, it'll actually happen five different ways.

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#71 08-16-11, 7:05 PM
Blind_Guardian Offline Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 570	So we've got Kurisu's death on one end of the divergence line, and Mayuri's on the other. I'm sure there's gotta be a way to save both, but how? Diverging the timeline all the way to C? Would that be 2+%, and how would they get it that far? What if in C, it's Daru that dies? Go to 3, 4, 15%?!? Time travel seems to be full of slippery slopes, and most of them seem to have hellfire at the bottom.

#72 08-16-11, 7:08 PM
animelly Offline Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 10320	So, everything will go back to the way it was. No matter what Okabe tries, someone close to him will die although he and Kurisu weren't exactly close in the first episode.

#73 08-16-11, 7:11 PM
13man18 Offline Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3260	My friend actually told me that Okabe had to pick between saving two people. I guess he was talking about those two.

#74 08-16-11, 7:35 PM
Wildsleven Offline Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 69	great episode! wonder which ending this anime will take of from the vn?

#75 08-16-11, 7:41 PM
shadowtsunami Offline Joined: May 2011 Posts: 692	Now he has to choose to either save Mayuri or save Kursiu. What i don't understand is that I thought every D-mail sent changes the time line. So why can't he just stay in the time line he's in to save both. Because nothing happened to mayuri in that timeline right?

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08-16-11, 7:43 PM

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kaimax said:

darkziosj said:

kaimax said:

Omitted stuff

wow they omitted that? that sucks, i hope they somehow fit it in the next episode

They won't, trying to forcefully insert that in the next chapter is just "pushing it".
and if you think bit, the "omitted scenes" doesn't really affect the main story at all. It just complicated things and just trivial knowledge since they never made any kind of closure with that "sub-plot" in the VN.

Basically it's a sub-plot, and the anime didn't need it. Another reason to play the VN

Jesus! You failed BIG time, Hanada Jukki! Are you out of ur mind!? This is one of the darkest scenes in Steins;Gate! Tho it doesn't necessarily effect the main plot, it has done a great job in character development:

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08-16-11, 7:47 PM

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I'm honestly really hoping the anime explores the Nae route now. There aren't too many episodes though. The VN has a lot of endings, and I'm guessing they're going to choose the one that's the least "out of left field" if you know what I mean.

I really have no idea how heavily SERN is directly involved in the plot of the VN, but we're still three episodes away from the penultimate chapter. I think there's still time to establish the Nae option. After all, Moeka is alive now, and we have no idea what's going to happen to Mr. Braun in this world line. I'm thinking Mr. Braun killed Moeka in the previous world line to protect her from suffering at the hands of Nae.

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#78 08-16-11, 7:56 PM
Slurpentine Offline Joined: May 2010 Posts: 351	People feeling bad for Moeka feels good I should watch more anime

#79 08-16-11, 8:05 PM
StormViruz Offline Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2237	Damn. Mr. Braun!! Anyway, time leap really comes in handy. XD Now, let's go back from where we started.

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08-16-11, 8:27 PM

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ArrancarNelTu said:
Oh god i rewatched episode 1 and so much stuff sticks out like:

I think he’ll find a way to save both of them, but at a devastating cost, though there is a possibility of just letting Kurisu die and Mayuri live, but this is Steins;Gate aka if you think it'll happen one way, it'll actually happen five different ways.

Just rewatched the first episode. There are some "weird" things.

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