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Jun 5, 2012 11:58 PM

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I started the series with this movie instead of 1 for a better understanding and so far most of it made sense. I could define the two Shikie's. I absolutely loved the art but one that that I did not like were the paused that it had.
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Jul 6, 2012 6:42 AM

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I liked this more than the first one. It still looks pretty and sounds great. I did feel that there wasn't enough story for the whole 60 minutes but given what they had, the pacing was good like in the first movie. I guess a bigger story will emerge with later movies, but standing alone the stories of the first movies haven't been that impressive. The characters still feel rather distant because we were shown more about the relationship rather than what makes them tick. Shiki's split personality wasn't explained unless that's the "thing" she inherited from her father, nor was it explained how in the first movie she had lost at least one arm and acquired some sort of psychic hands. Particularly Kokutou still feels like an empty slate, there's not much you can tell about him. I could say this was well done because I'm looking forward to seeing more even though I don't normally like mysteries.
 
Jul 7, 2012 10:47 AM

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@Feorg

I think one thing to consider about Kara no Kyoukai is that each movie isn't necessarily meant to be a stand-alone film, rather it is a whole series of films divided where in which it was meant to be viewed in three parts. The first part encompasses Movies 1-3, the second encompasses Movies 4-5, and finally the 3rd part encompasses Movies 6-7 and the Epilogue.

Each part can be taken as a short season. Furthermore, you can also take it this way: Movies 1-4 is like Season 1, Movie 5 is the true OVA/Movie, and Movie 6-Epilogue is like Season 2 that is set after Movie 5. Hope that helps! ^_^
 
Aug 4, 2012 3:46 PM

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well that was confusing, in the end, they just let the murders go?? and it seems next movie will show how she got that psychic arm.


 
Aug 23, 2012 8:43 AM

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Finally we were able to understand a little of the history of the characters. I never imagined that Shiki had double personality and these deaths were quite disturbing.
 
Sep 16, 2012 9:20 AM

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This looked ridiculously similar with Denpa Teki na Kanojo
 
Sep 16, 2012 3:26 PM

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i dont like mikiya at all...he has some weird love for her...
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Sep 16, 2012 4:18 PM

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i dont like mikiya at all...he has some weird love for her...

Just to point out, you do realize he was just trying to prove her innocence right...?
I don't think many people realize that Shiki is actually borderline insane herself, and Mikiya going out of his way to do all that just shows how much he really cares for her.
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Nov 29, 2012 12:48 PM

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This was Amazing. My eyes were glued to the screen. The first movie was kind of boring and confusing, but this one was just amazing. Can't wait to watch the next movie.
 
Dec 4, 2012 11:22 AM

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shiki's looks like saber from some angles.. like her eyes..

anyway 2nd movie was more interesting than the first movie.
 
Dec 9, 2012 9:55 AM

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Ok movie. Slow movie.
I don't understand why he keeps belevies Shikki. Quite stupid, should of tell the police she is the killer. Don't like him.
7/10
 
Jan 16, 2013 11:34 AM

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less boring than first movie.
 
Jan 19, 2013 3:11 PM

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Great backstory in this second part. Makes it more enjoyable and has quite a nice setting! Quite loved this second part as well 9/10
 
Mar 16, 2013 4:11 PM

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dat animation man, DAT ANIMATION!
 
Apr 15, 2013 6:26 PM

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8.3/10
 
May 29, 2013 12:04 AM

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Pretty good, better than the first one in my opinion with more intense scenes and great animation especially during the second half of the movie. It was also easier to keep track of what was going on in this movie than it was in the first movie. I give it a 9/10.
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Jun 21, 2013 8:27 AM

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hmm this episode is better the first one.. (kara no kyoukai 1) it is more interesting.. :3

in the beginning shiki looks so amazingly pretty with that smile :3

hmm.. so shiki has 2 personality? that's interesting..
that is explain why she keep killing people//

btw the blood is still interesting just like episode 1 and its more exciting XD

in the end shiki is in hospital? and 2 years has past? hmm.. I hope there will be episode that explain why shiki is on hospital :3

btw in the end just watch the trailer of next episode.. looks awesome :D looking forward to it! XD
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Jun 28, 2013 7:38 AM

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its better than the 1st but its still slow and not a lot happens.
7.5/10
 
Jul 3, 2013 8:20 PM

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I'm not sure why people like this better than the first.

I didn't even like the fight scenes in the first, but it still was better. The whole "flight or float" thing was interesting, as was the talk about suicide. The soundtrack was also better in the first movie.

This one however was just pretty boring. I guess playing Tsukihime made it not very surprising there was two Shiki's and that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird, I don't think anyone IRL would stay with a girl like Shiki, because she is crazy. If someone told me IRL they had two personalities and acted like that I'd nope the hell out of there.
 
Jul 6, 2013 2:48 PM

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Visuals are gorgeous, music is stunning, directing is beast.

But the pacing is horrible. It drags on too much. Scenery shots were way overused. And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
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that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically

The characters are dull. The main guy is a weird stalker who's just too persistent, and the main girl is a dull emotionless girl who hates everyone. I can't remember anyone else playing any significant role other than the uh servant of Shiki.

Anyway 5/10. Will give the series one more movie before I call it quits.
 
Jul 6, 2013 4:29 PM

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mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
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that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My god am I laughing so hard right now!
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ronri said:
mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
DaItalianFish said:
that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My god am I laughing so hard right now!

What's the funny part?
 
Jul 6, 2013 4:55 PM

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mayukachan said:
ronri said:
mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
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that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My god am I laughing so hard right now!

What's the funny part?


Sorry, I apologize but if I have to answer: everything.
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ronri said:
mayukachan said:
ronri said:
mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
DaItalianFish said:
that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My god am I laughing so hard right now!

What's the funny part?


Sorry, I apologize but if I have to answer: everything.

Elaborate please :)
 
Jul 6, 2013 4:58 PM

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mayukachan said:
ronri said:
mayukachan said:
ronri said:
mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
DaItalianFish said:
that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My god am I laughing so hard right now!

What's the funny part?


Sorry, I apologize but if I have to answer: everything.

Elaborate please :)

Well...... if you don't mind spoilers for this series, then....
 
Jul 6, 2013 5:01 PM

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@ronri: I know but the entire plot didn't really deserve an hour. It could have been shortened.
 
Jul 6, 2013 5:03 PM

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mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
DaItalianFish said:
that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically

mayukachan said:
@ronri: I know but the entire plot didn't really deserve an hour. It could have been shortened.


Considering how well the film hid the character so well and no one seemed to notice.... okay then whatever you say....
 
Jul 6, 2013 5:04 PM

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ronri said:
mayukachan said:
And such a small plot didn't need so much time to be executed right.
DaItalianFish said:
that she was behind the murders, so there was zero twist. And it just seemed so weird.

this basically

mayukachan said:
@ronri: I know but the entire plot didn't really deserve an hour. It could have been shortened.


Okay then whatever you say....

LOL well, like I watched it with four of my friends today and they said the same thing. It was just too slow and a lot of the scenes were insignificant. Some dialogues were unnecessary as well.
 
Jul 25, 2013 8:57 PM

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Running scene was dragged on for way too long, that ending knife to neck part as well. Also the music for when he was just camping outside of Shiki's house was not suited for it.


I can tell what you're sort of getting at here, but allow me to explain why all of these work in the way they did.

Firstly let's start with the last bit, since it actually becomes even more relevant in the other points. I noticed some people keep thinking that Mikiya was just camping outside because he was "stalking" Shiki, but many don't seem to realize that Mikiya is trying to prove her innocence despite Shiki's insistence that she's a killer. In that regard, that segment was treated as a very sweet moment. One might think that the romantic theme seems inappropriate since he's essentially waiting outside her house, but you ought to realize that his bizarre choice to essentially camp outside her house pales so much more in comparison to the potential idea that Shiki could be a killer. And it's not like he was doing it haphazardly, he obviously planned it to maintain his health, and this intended gesture on his part showed how much he cared for her despite her constant objections and blatant admittance to the crimes. In that regard the use of the main romance theme felt very appropriate here.

Now as for the running scene, I don't know why you thought it that it dragged on considering how it barely lasted that long. It was there to maintain that complete sense dread and tension, and in comparison to the sweet and romantic montage of the camping scenes, the drawn-out yet isolated time frame of the running segment brought back that sense of reality in the danger that Mikiya had put himself through. Capping it off with the long-drawn segment of the ending knife scene made it all the more powerful as it maintained that aura of danger and ambiguity behind Shiki's mentality as well as keeping Mikiya's sense of tension. Overall I'd say those final scenes are what made this movie stand out the way it did, as it could've taken an easy route and provided a much more conventional ending to the narrative.
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Jul 28, 2013 7:25 PM

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Once again very good. The art and sound are extremely good like in the sequel. One of the problems the prequel of this movie had were the characters, thankfully this installment has that covered.

8/10
 
Aug 23, 2013 2:33 AM

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hmmm... 7/10
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Sep 8, 2013 8:38 PM

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This continues to be one of the most fascinating anime I've ever seen. The story is piece-meal (sort of) but I actually like this kind of thing where you have to watch the whole thing to see how all the pieces fit together. It is a bit confusing at first, but I find it very interesting. The art continues to be amazingly beautiful, especially the night shots of Shiki's house. I can't wait for part two of this arc.
 
Nov 17, 2013 10:26 PM

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Once again, this has amazing animation and music. The mystery, horror, and suspense were incredibly strong and well done in this movie. Also, Shiki and Mikiya have one of the most interesting relationships I've seen in a long time. And, Shiki's pretty cute (well... when she doesn't brutally kill people, that is) ^__^ I wonder what the whole reason of Shiki killing people is? (Maybe it was explained and I just missed it? If it wasn't explained I'm sure it will be revealed later) I'm interested to see how the rest of the movies piece-together the whole story.
 
Nov 26, 2013 1:34 AM

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That suspense! This is great :D
 
Dec 10, 2013 3:30 PM

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It was interresting to see where Shiki come from. I guess she got all those prothesis from that car accident. I also like a lot character with double/numberous personality. After the first movie, I was skeptic about the second, but it turn out well.

Also, Mikiya was so much deluded. I can say for sure if the killer of all these people was due to her, but everything seemed to point to her. I mean, even if she is innocent, it was pretty stupid to believe so much in her.
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Mar 17, 2014 12:07 AM

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Slightly better than the first movie, lovely art, great story, pretty good seiyuu but the one thing that stands out the most is the music! I really really love it! 8/10


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Very boring, how is this supposed to make you 'think' when it is so poorly written?
The only good part of these films(so far) is the animation and soundtrack.

4/10
 
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Very boring, how is this supposed to make you 'think' when it is so poorly written?
The only good part of these films(so far) is the animation and soundtrack.

4/10


Poorly written in what way? Screenplay? Dialogue? Perhaps the exposition? (no really I'm curious)

Part of this series of films' appeal isn't the fact that it's "supposed to make you think", but rather it's intricately constructed characters and masterfully-achieved brooding atmosphere (not an easy thing to come by nowadays and having a series of films with an overarching story is fairly unprecedented for the medium of anime). Personally while Movie 2 is certainly no huge highlight in the series (it is a part of a collective whole after all), I find that it's screenplay is great and put together rather well, even possibly more so than the dialogue so much so that I think it becomes secondary to the screenplay (especially the deceptive nature of the events that are told, all while never truly masking the truth except for those who don't have a careful eye). The dialogue is straightforward yes, though I do find it refreshing to see more introverted characters like Shiki and Mikiya actually interacting with each other in an introspective way so I personally appreciated that.
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Very boring, how is this supposed to make you 'think' when it is so poorly written?
The only good part of these films(so far) is the animation and soundtrack.

4/10


This isn't the most thinking intensive of the movies, rather this focuses on developing the watcher some feelings for the characters. And I think this does that rather well.

Instead of looking for a mindfuck, you should have come looking for great directing and a masterfully done gloomy atmosphere that is pretty much the trademark of this series, and that separates it from many other anime.

If you can't appreciate those, I can see you having extremely boring time. You could try going until Mujun Rasen because that is guaranteed to make you think, maybe even go; "what the hell did I just watch." It also has a few extremely beautiful action sequences.

But I won't guarantee your enjoyment because you don't appreciate the aforementioned strenghts of KnK.
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Poorly written in what sense? Screenplay? Dialogue? Perhaps the exposition?

Personally while Movie 2 is certainly no huge highlight in the series (it is a part of a collective whole after all), I find that it's screenplay is great and put together rather well, even possibly more so than the dialogue so much so that I think it becomes secondary to the screenplay (especially the deceptive nature of the events that are told, all while never truly masking the truth except for those who don't have a careful eye). The dialogue is straightforward yes, though I do find it refreshing to see more introverted characters like Shiki and Mikiya actually interacting with each other in an introspective way so I personally appreciated.

Shiki and Mikaya are bland characters, with little development to no development.

The deceptive nature of the events? The whole plot is predictable, almost non-existent with no intriguing aspects. There is no "masked truth" for the viewer, the film is displayed as though it was only produced to show off the animation.
 
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ronri said:
Poorly written in what sense? Screenplay? Dialogue? Perhaps the exposition?

Personally while Movie 2 is certainly no huge highlight in the series (it is a part of a collective whole after all), I find that it's screenplay is great and put together rather well, even possibly more so than the dialogue so much so that I think it becomes secondary to the screenplay (especially the deceptive nature of the events that are told, all while never truly masking the truth except for those who don't have a careful eye). The dialogue is straightforward yes, though I do find it refreshing to see more introverted characters like Shiki and Mikiya actually interacting with each other in an introspective way so I personally appreciated.

Shiki and Mikaya are bland characters, with little development to no development.

The deceptive nature of the events? The whole plot is predictable, almost non-existent with no intriguing aspects. There is no "masked truth" for the viewer, the film is displayed as though it was only produced to show off the animation.


I personally found Shiki one of the best anime characters I know.

I found time flying by while watching these movies. Again, these movies are an acquired taste.

It doesn't have exciting twist and turns lurking around every corner, but I'd argue it doesn't need to have. I don't know why you are looking for this so called masked truth, but this certainly doesn't have one.

In the end, this particular KnK movie tells a lovestory about a boy who falls to a girl so purely, that he against all signs doesn't want to believe she is a murderer. Notice how I said this particular. Some of the later movies are indeed full of plot twists.
 
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bouncebounce said:

Shiki and Mikaya are bland characters, with little development to no development.

Far from the truth. The word "bland" denotes to being devoid of any distinctive or stimulating characteristics, and I find this to be utterly false considering the very intricate yet stimulating nature of Shiki's very role and mentality as an anti-heroic female protagonist. Shiki undergoes a hefty amount of development and while Mikiya's is less subtle, it's definitely there. How you could come to that conclusion over an entry that only addresses their background history together without even finishing a series of films is beyond me.

The following could be considered as spoilers for the rest of the series:


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The deceptive nature of the events? The whole plot is predictable, almost non-existent with no intriguing aspects. There is no "masked truth" for the viewer, the film is displayed as though it was only produced to show off the animation.

Yes, the film depicts a romance between two introverted teens, but the underlying elements in the film serve in deceiving its audience from a particular aspect within the film. Do tell me, which part was predictable? I'm very curious to know now. The fact that we get a romance? The fact that Shiki is hinted to be the murderer? As an aside, do realize that predictability isn't always a flaw within works, as predictability often lends to a straightforward form of storytelling, and it can even play on people's expectations.
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Liked this one a bit better than the first. The focus being on the characters this time around helped a lot and made the dialogue feel more genuine. Although I feel that the two personalities could have been handled better, I am at least curious to learn more about Shiki. I don't really like Mikaya and found his fixation with Shiki irritating. I can understand wanting to believe in someone you care about but good god, man.

One thing that I do think the other movie did a little better was pacing. Maybe it was because this one was longer but there were several moments that just felt unnecessarily long. For example in the scene near the end where Shiki is about to slit Mikaya's throat, she calls his name and then the picture slowly zooms out for 30 seconds before she continues. Hopefully they also elaborate on the random student that passed Shiki in the hall, who accused her of being the killer. 7/10
 
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I don't really like Mikaya and found his fixation with Shiki irritating. I can understand wanting to believe in someone you care about but good god, man.

Not sure about the subs if it's not clear enough (you did mention it before and I'll say right now that the most widely available fansubs tend to be spotty in some areas especially in Movies 6-7) but what I liked at the end is that Mikiya clears up that his feelings for her developed into something more than infatuation (unlike what he initially felt for her). In that regard his feelings are more of genuine care for someone he recognizes who needs help and doesn't possess any malice. All I'm gonna say is that, without spoiling it, Mikiya's efforts definitely pay off.

gettogaara said:
One thing that I do think the other movie did a little better was pacing. Maybe it was because this one was longer but there were several moments that just felt unnecessarily long. For example in the scene near the end where Shiki is about to slit Mikaya's throat, she calls his name and then the picture slowly zooms out for 30 seconds before she continues. Hopefully they also elaborate on the random student that passed Shiki in the hall, who accused her of being the killer. 7/10


I personally liked some of the lingering moments as it honestly reminded of me certain films I've seen (it's employed to give a sense of time and frame the atmosphere of a certain scene: be it to let the "calm" settle in certain moments or to create tension/an empty feeling). I do have to say I LOVED that last scene though, I honestly felt it created a sense of tension and making the scene linger on and cutting it with Shiki's line really nailed it for me, haha. That said, I applaud your attention to detail and you're already picking up little nuances and some of the foreshadowing that some people here seem to have missed or outright ignored.

Keep it up! I hope you'll continue to have a pleasant experience watching the rest of the series! ^_^ (though I guess "pleasant" isn't exactly the best word given some of the grisly content within the series but hey it's part of the overall experience)
 
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I like it better than the first one and it felt more like a stand alone film than movie 1. Was not a huge fan of the ending though.
 
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Wow the second movie was even better than the first. I loved the backstory between Shiki and Mikiya. This series is way better than I expected it to be. This movie gets a 9/10 from me.
 
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This used to be my favouirte of this film series, but on a re-watch...a very flawed film, a whole lot of tension that ultimately resulted in answering no questions it posed.
There was a lot of build up of the mystery and suspense initially - who is the killer? is it/isn't it shiki? why all the bizarrely arrayed corpses?
then the mystery was tossed aside in favour of kokutou x shiki, but this was senseless as well. kokutou is an incredibly dull lead, a passive observer to shiki's craziness until he finally let's loose some character in the form of "I don't want to die". But this is completely dismissed. Suddenly oh, he totally forgave that. He doesn't understand it at all but wants to help shiki, this troublesome girl that wants to kill him and very nearly did! visiting her in the hospital, giving her flowers. as a character he makes no sense. he is almost an insert character.

additionally, whatever happened to that skin sample the police got? and what about that guy that walked past shiki at school and told her to stop killing people? and what was the purpose of kokutou talking to that judo guy about how he feels about shiki? ("hmm, we need some way to tell the audience that kokutou does but he doesn't but he does but he doesn't maybe have feelings for shiki...i know, let's pick a random person from a club, randomly make them kokutou's friend just for this scene, and have them be bizarrely curious about kokutou and shiki's relationship" - film's writers).

i can't remember, but the question bout that dude that new shiki was the murderer might be answered in later films. but these movies are designed with their own stand-alone plots that also contribute to the big picture. but this film, being the most detached from the other films (bar 6), has a plot that does little more than to give some basic background on shiki and to display what we saw in the opening of the first film, but for the entire duration of this film (aka shiki + kokutou's relationship. how this relationship began is ultimately of no consequence, when it is so easily established in the first film. a couple of flashbacks would have done the job this film did).

all that said, the film had a nice atmosphere most of the time, and shiki herself is an interesting enough character so that kept the film at least entertaining. a shame it's not as good as i remember though.
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@BigSimo - Spoiler-tagging my reply to you so it doesn't clog up the page:

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Haha, I knew you'd promptly reply ronri.

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@BigSimo: Thanks for replying very civilly while addressing each of my points, if I came off as being too confrontational then I apologize. >_<

Anyway, spoiler-tagging for convenience:
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