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kaena said: so its proven that the d-mail changes the divergence meter not the time leap machine. when okabe continuously went back in time to do time leap, the divergence meter didnt change when he finally sent a dmail this episode, the divergence meter changed and mayuri no longer dies The reason time leap isn't changing the divergence meter is cause they can only leap 2 days back. There isn't enough time to make any drastic changes. D-mail on the other hand can be sent back to as far as any time line that has a phone. |
| Mayushi has some mad detective skills there. |
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| wow! It was funny during the first half (especially Sazuha calling Daru "daddy"), then it felt really really sad for Sazuha. Daru being the father was obvious, but who's the mom? Overall awesome episode. Can't wait to see what's in store! |
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| NOOOOO Suzuha!!! T_T Now i want to know who is the mom D: |
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| Makise Kurisu is the mom. What a depressing episode. Suzuha dying and no screen time for Makise-love. |
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| Daru and Suzuha do look alike but I wonder who the mom is... |
maddest said: Kurisu is missing >_> , i think in exchange for Mayuri , something happened after he send that D-mail This^ the time line has changed and he may have saved mayuri but he might have lost kurisu :( i hope not - to much for me to handle. |
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Archie74 said: Note: Could you guys please use the *spoiler* tags when posting them, because a couple of the comments on here will kill the episode for people who haven't watched it yet. why are they commeting on reading the commets about the episode if they havn't seen it isn;t that rather dumb? HUum and now i s why my brown hadn't kicked them ou cause hehad something he had to do |
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Nichibotsu-kaeru said: I hope so too.I wonder if Suzuha will make a comeback? will they some how make her live again kerespup said: You are so shitting me. That means they are at the "Beta World Line" ? Could it be?Kurisu is missing >_> , i think in exchange for Mayuri , something happened after he send that D-mail Remember the first few episodes before Okarin sent that first Dmail?kusushi said: So that's what it was. Thanks!Yokoo said: Okarin sent Dmail to himself. He wrote "Stop tailing Suzuha, it's a trap by SERN."Not sure if this was answered yet, but what was written on the d-mail that Okabe sent? There were a few screen pauses of his cell phone and the words S.E.R.N were on one of them. kaena said: I did not think of it like that but now that you mention I have to say that I agree but of all things why only the D-mail? Hmmmmm anyone?so its proven that the d-mail changes the divergence meter not the time leap machine. when okabe continuously went back in time to do time leap, the divergence meter didnt change when he finally sent a dmail this episode, the divergence meter changed and mayuri no longer dies Day2Dream said: Yeah but is that the only reason?The reason time leap isn't changing the divergence meter is cause they can only leap 2 days back. There isn't enough time to make any drastic changes. D-mail on the other hand can be sent back to as far as any time line that has a phone. KeiranShikari said: And who though she was stupid?Mayushi has some mad detective skills there. You take back those words now! Ha! |
Day2Dream said: kaena said: so its proven that the d-mail changes the divergence meter not the time leap machine. when okabe continuously went back in time to do time leap, the divergence meter didnt change when he finally sent a dmail this episode, the divergence meter changed and mayuri no longer dies The reason time leap isn't changing the divergence meter is cause they can only leap 2 days back. There isn't enough time to make any drastic changes. D-mail on the other hand can be sent back to as far as any time line that has a phone. That makes sense that 2 days wouldn't be enough to change the divergence metre...but it also doesn't make sense at the same time. Like, what about the butterfly effect then? The smallest thing could create the biggest change ever. I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone, I'm just a little confused... |
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bakuramariks said: MALz_Otaku said: Why couldet okarin time leap and stop suzu from going o.o The time leap machine was created on 13th of august and Okarin stopped Suzuha from leaving which was on 9th of august. Okarin can go back with only two days in the past - 11th of august. From then, he cannot go on the 9th because the time leap machine wasn't created yet. Sorry for my english >.< Not really what i meant i mean in this ep she used time machine and in this ep they figured out that she failed so cant he go back just a bit earlier and tell her that she had failed |
| Wow what is was fun and games is now becoming something serious... These past few episodes have been getting intense! |
| Their relationship was quite predictable the time she mentioned about meeting someone. What really surprised me is that Mayushi's the first one to notice it which amazed me. lol And Daru's still a perv even in fatherly moments. xD |
DestinyStar said: That makes sense that 2 days wouldn't be enough to change the divergence metre...but it also doesn't make sense at the same time. Like, what about the butterfly effect then? The smallest thing could create the biggest change ever. I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone, I'm just a little confused... Butterfly effect doesn't come before the fate theory. Remember that all things go towards a certain destiny. To overcome that fate you need big change. Small things don't matter as much in this anime. If it did oOkabe's little group of friends wouldn't be friends in each world all the time. As for the Chris speculation. He only sent a D-mail back to the time where he was going to stop Suzuha. That means the time machine still crashed where it crashed and at the very least Chris didn't get stabbed where we saw she got stabbed. Ignore me. I forgot that when Okabe sent the D-mail back it also means Suzuha's time travel effect changed. No I have not played the VN. Just my speculation. |
WhaleCostumeJul 19, 2011 8:32 PM
| Really predictable, but I still dug it. Didn't think this anime would be this goooood either. |
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| Music was perfect for this episode. I could not take my eyes off the screen. A heartwarming first half to be followed by a heartbreaking one. The light appears before you, just to have it snuffed out. As always, answers to previous questions just raise more questions. Ever side around episode 11, this anime has really picked up and has been really engrossing. Poor Daru... The I failed part was extremely well done. It captured the desperation and loss of hope perfectly. |
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| episode 17 preview. "Virtual (unreal?) distorted complex" TVアニメ「シュタインズ・ゲート」#17「虚像歪曲のコンプレックス」予告 - YouTube since Okarin sent d-mail to himself, it seems that Mayushii has saved even after August 13 20:00. but does it means that Mayushii's death has became free from world line's fate? this is important point to think about. the problem is that suzuha have already traveled back to 1975 in current world line on August 10. so if rounders attack to lab, who gonna fight with them? |
kusushiJul 19, 2011 11:29 PM
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| Awesome eps ...... Suzuha die in place of Mayushi so there's no escape death .. |
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BlackSnake56 said: Suzuha die in place of Mayushi Doubt it. THe way I see, it Suzuha dying 10 years before current events was also something that most of probabilities lead to. DestinyStar said: Day2Dream said: kaena said: so its proven that the d-mail changes the divergence meter not the time leap machine. when okabe continuously went back in time to do time leap, the divergence meter didnt change when he finally sent a dmail this episode, the divergence meter changed and mayuri no longer dies The reason time leap isn't changing the divergence meter is cause they can only leap 2 days back. There isn't enough time to make any drastic changes. D-mail on the other hand can be sent back to as far as any time line that has a phone. That makes sense that 2 days wouldn't be enough to change the divergence metre...but it also doesn't make sense at the same time. Like, what about the butterfly effect then? The smallest thing could create the biggest change ever. I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone, I'm just a little confused... kaena said: so its proven that the d-mail changes the divergence meter not the time leap machine. when okabe continuously went back in time to do time leap, the divergence meter didnt change when he finally sent a dmail this episode, the divergence meter changed and mayuri no longer dies Oh god not this again. DIVERGENCE NUMBER CHANGES. EVERY TIME TRAVEL DOES THAT. ITS JUST THAT CHANGE IS SO MINISCULE IT DOES NOT GO INTO THE NUMBER OF DECIMALS DISPLAYED ON METER. Think: 0,444000000000010000054545210 0,44000000012452015414575147 0,441000000000000011245455455545 EVERY EVEN MINOR detail changes the wordline. TIMELEAP IS IDENTICAL TO DMAIL, the only difference IS WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS BEING SENT, as well as HOW FAR THEY CAN SEND IT. |
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Yumekichi11 said: She is stupid.KeiranShikari said: And who though she was stupid?Mayushi has some mad detective skills there. You take back those words now! Ha! The others were clearly too intelligent to piece something so simple together while Mayushii was just about dumb enough to put 1 and 1 together. That must be it. ( ¬‿¬) |
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| So.... I'm not sure if any of you have realized this yet or not, but the divergence number is going the wrong way. Up until now it's been counting down from *.******. (it never showed the original number anywhere in the anime which I believe it did in the VN and know it did in the manga) While this divergence change may have saved Mayushi for now, it's only set them back a ways and to properly save the future they'll need to make it go down again which puts tuturu back in peril. |
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| I am feeling so many emotions right now ;_; gdi anime y u do this to me? |
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Ahmny_Chan said: Question. How Did Suzu fail anyways? The Time Machine got ruined in the rain and it was not fixed properly to how it once was. Because of this, when she time traveled, she forgot her purpose/herself. She didn't remember who she was or why she came to the past for like 20 years or something, and then it was too late to get the IBN 5100. So she killed herself the first time. hikaricore said: So.... I'm not sure if any of you have realized this yet or not, but the divergence number is going the wrong way. Up until now it's been counting down from *.******. (it never showed the original number anywhere in the anime which I believe it did in the VN and know it did in the manga) While this divergence change may have saved Mayushi for now, it's only set them back a ways and to properly save the future they'll need to make it go down again which puts tuturu back in peril. They are trying to reach above 1.0% right? How does it going down from 0.4 achieve that? |
Oosran said: That still makes her smart and the others stupid.Yumekichi11 said: She is stupid.KeiranShikari said: And who though she was stupid?Mayushi has some mad detective skills there. You take back those words now! Ha! The others were clearly too intelligent to piece something so simple together while Mayushii was just about dumb enough to put 1 and 1 together. That must be it. ( ¬‿¬) |
GarLogan78 said: hikaricore said: So.... I'm not sure if any of you have realized this yet or not, but the divergence number is going the wrong way. Up until now it's been counting down from *.******. (it never showed the original number anywhere in the anime which I believe it did in the VN and know it did in the manga) While this divergence change may have saved Mayushi for now, it's only set them back a ways and to properly save the future they'll need to make it go down again which puts tuturu back in peril. They are trying to reach above 1.0% right? How does it going down from 0.4 achieve that? The goal was said to cross the 1% barrier, no one ever said in which direction. :p Go back and watch the various instances of the divergence meter when he changes worldlines. They have always been decreasing towards 0. ;) |
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Toichi said: This i my first post in mal. I don't see how she was called Hashida Suzu even after the d-mail changed the past preventing Okabe from stopping Suzuha using the time machine. Therefore Suzuha had no chance of knowing that daru is her dad. But Mr. Braun still called her Hashida Suzu. Now I am thoroughly confused. She had 25 years to figure out who her father was, and we don't know what other information she may have been able to find such as hidden files in the time machine's computer which she wouldn't have had access to while it was broken. I'm sure she was probably able to work it out before she died. |
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kusushi said: Here is my response to it as follows,episode 17 preview. "Virtual (unreal?) distorted complex"  OMG dear Lord! Feiris my dear is back! OMG! I am totally hyped for next week and like did the change involve Akihabara changing back back to a anime place because clearly Feiris with her father in the spoiler |
Yumekichi11 said: OMG dear Lord! Feiris my dear is back! OMG! I am totally hyped for next week and like did the change involve Akihabara changing back back to a anime place because clearly Feiris with her father in the spoiler I'm fairly convinced that Feiris's father was dead before she sent her dmail. We never actually saw him prior and I don't think he was mentioned either. So if Akihabara changed back he might not be sitting there. Of course he could have always just been super busy, but this didn't seem to fit as well. |
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| Can somebody explain why Suzu killed herself? Im confused. |
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Z-flame said: It was funny when Mayuri(the detective) figure out, who is Suzuha's father. On the other hand, it was really depressing to hear that Suzuha's mission failed and that she committed suicide. Though i'm guessing the guilt she had for having lived a happy life then suddenly remembering that she had an important mission, was to much for her to handle. ^This poor suzuha. awesome show. |
| WAIT how come after the d-mail , okabe asked for the name "hashida suzu" , she didnt know about her father back then when she was about to jump to 1975 that rainy day. so... was that in okabe d-mail? or small plot hole :P |
| "失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した” "ゴメン。ゴメン。ゴメン。こんな人生は、無意味だった" Finally THE Suzuha's letter. One of the most famous scenes in S;G. Tamura Yukari's excellent performance + gate of steiner piano bgm = TEAR BOMB. Suprised that they animate the part where Suzu hung herself. In order to prevent Suzuha from suicide, Okabe sent a D-mail yet again, to undo the previous one. In doing so, he sacrificed the reunion of Suzuha with her father, and the happy times she spent with the labmen. Then she died alone in the "past". Okabe has to bear the guilty and regret all by himself. But the divergence meter has climbed a little for the 1st time. Now yall see where the track goes? Sacrifices. All in the sake of Mayuri. Much like Mayuri, it seems that Suzuha is fated to die in 2000. The convergence of worldlines rules all. Uh, so they are just doing the true ending route. As it has passed the critical point already, I'll share Suzuha's ending with everyone. |
ChavezJul 20, 2011 4:11 AM
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Yumekichi11 said: kusushi said: Here is my response to it as follows,episode 17 preview. "Virtual (unreal?) distorted complex" OMG dear Lord! Feiris my dear is back! OMG! I am totally hyped for next week and like did the change involve Akihabara changing back back to a anime place because clearly Feiris with her father in the spoiler oh hell! no way! are they following the video i found on utube the other day about feyris' ending in the VN where ~wish everyday is Wednesday~ |
Kansokusha said: "失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した失敗した” "ゴメン。ゴメン。ゴメン。こんな人生は、無意味だった" Finally THE Suzuha's letter. One of the most famous scenes in S;G. Tamura Yukari's excellent performance + gate of steiner piano bgm = TEAR BOMB. Suprised that they animate the part where Suzu hung herself. In order to prevent Suzuha from suicide, Okabe sent a D-mail yet again, to undo the previous one. In doing so, he sacrificed the reunion of Suzuha with her father, and the happy times she spent with the labmen. Then she died alone in the "past". Okabe has to bear the guilty and regret all by himself. But the divergence meter has climbed a little for the 1st time. Now yall see where the track goes? Sacrifices. All in the sake of Mayuri. Much like Mayuri, it seems that Suzuha is fated to die in 2000. The convergence of worldlines rules all. Really ironic for Suzu giving Tennoji a shelter decades ago. Is this fate? Uh, so they are just doing the true ending route. As it has passed the critical point already, I'll share Suzuha's ending with everyone. wow that ending ! makes me wanna play the vn |
4nim3w4tch3r said: Will jump all around my place if they make a Feiris x Okabe ending. I shall do the same twice as intense if it's Mayuri ending. I will RAGE if the ending is Okabe does not get with anyone. It might happen since Macross Frontier had a similar problem mostly due to the director/creator having respects for the fans. Oh well we shall see. I want a Feiris x Okabe Or Mayuri x Okabe ending please. Kansokusha said: Sadly I was not really teary over it. I was more of a O_O with the jaw open.Finally THE Suzuha's letter. One of the most famous scenes in S;G. Tamura Yukari's excellent performance + gate of steiner piano bgm = TEAR BOMB. Kansokusha said: Now that made me T_T a lot!Suprised that they animate the part where Suzu hung herself. Kansokusha said: Then again you got to think that the emotional toll that all these events left her with in the end made her do a suicide. The feelings were too much to bear after failing.In doing so, he sacrificed the reunion of Suzuha with her father, and the happy times she spent with the labmen. Then she died alone in the "past". Okabe has to bear the guilty and regret all by himself. IMO Okabe should have gone back in time to correct all the mistakes such as cover the machine to protect it from rain or write something out in a book of all that Suzuha would have to remember. Would that like not fix the problem of her not forgetting no matter what? There is also the fact that it would allow her to have the memories of her reunion with Daru. Damn, now I think about it Okabe was stupid in a way. He could have reversed certain things if he wanted. Kansokusha said: So that means the next sacrifice is to undo all of Feiris. That's what it looks to be in the next episode.But the divergence meter has climbed a little for the 1st time. Now yall see where the track goes? Sacrifices. All in the sake of Mayuri. Kansokusha said: Fate again. *sigh* So that means that Mayuri got spared for now due to Suzuha. Sometimes I have a feeling it was not God who has written such shitty fates but the Evil what ever it may be is rewriting it. For what is against God was with him at first only to betray and in doing so certainly any evil would have had God's powers. In so rewriting fate. Just a IMO of religious notion.Much like Mayuri, it seems that Suzuha is fated to die in 2000. The convergence of worldlines rules all. Kansokusha said: I wonder about that too. That was rather strange but remember that she did meet him when he was a kid just that the whole spoilers ahead of this episode now confuses me more in regards to Tennoji.Really ironic for Suzu giving Tennoji a shelter decades ago. Is this fate? |
Yumekichi11Jul 20, 2011 3:16 AM
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Kansokusha said: Maybe you are natural born spoiler.lol I understand your enthusiasm for S;G but basically, there is nothing that VN player like us can write at anime thread. Well, if you do speak Japanese, why not go to spoiler thread of 2ch? |
Kansokusha said: At first Okabe was like Akemi Homura, reversing time to save someone... And now he is like Nagato Yuki, stuck in an endless time loop... |
 Never saw no miracle of science, that didn't go from a blessing to a curse Never saw no military solution, that didn't end up as something worse |
| Win some, lose some. ;) But seriosuly, I would rather have Suzuha live and Mayuri die. >> It was so obvious since last week that Daru was Suzuha's father. Not even a "I think there's a chance it's this." |
| by the way , did that machine move between the same timeline? shouldnt that cause plot holes? |
| gosh... I found this video. I never knew such a enthusiastic fan. translate whole event of suzuha's ending? that's crazy! Warning. This is completely spoiler video. If you wish to play VN in near future, do not open this link. If you just want to know alternate ending of ep16 and you won't play VN, you may go ahead. |
kusushiJul 20, 2011 5:20 AM
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| Man... I'm happy that Suzu was able to live a happy life for some 25 years but her last year alive was tragic. Still can't get over it. I hate the feeling I get when Okabe changes world lines and everyone forgets what's happened. But then again this is what makes it so amazing. I'm definitely more than impressed with how this has turned out. Suzu-chan was amazing. I hope Okabe's going to explain everything to Kurisu next episode, but I also is interested about what's up with Feiris-chan. There's quite a few flaws about the time lines/time travelling aspect but I don't have time to write them out at the moment. |
YanofliesJul 20, 2011 5:35 AM
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Vanisher said: WAIT how come after the d-mail , okabe asked for the name "hashida suzu" , she didnt know about her father back then when she was about to jump to 1975 that rainy day. so... was that in okabe d-mail? or small plot hole :P She had more than 30 years to figure out his identity :) If mayuri managed to connect the dots, I bet Suzu did so as well. |
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Fai said: Vanisher said: WAIT how come after the d-mail , okabe asked for the name "hashida suzu" , she didnt know about her father back then when she was about to jump to 1975 that rainy day. so... was that in okabe d-mail? or small plot hole :P She had more than 30 years to figure out his identity :) If mayuri managed to connect the dots, I bet Suzu did so as well. You're forgetting that she didn't remember anything about herself until 2010. |
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Yanoflies said: Fai said: Vanisher said: WAIT how come after the d-mail , okabe asked for the name "hashida suzu" , she didnt know about her father back then when she was about to jump to 1975 that rainy day. so... was that in okabe d-mail? or small plot hole :P She had more than 30 years to figure out his identity :) If mayuri managed to connect the dots, I bet Suzu did so as well. You're forgetting that she didn't remember anything about herself until 2010. No , that didnt happens after okabe sent the d-mail. but anyway , how did suzuha knows about daru ways to name his gadgets? |
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