| There are a lot of problems with the review feature and this is one of them. I support the idea of a character minimum and I'd say make it even higher.. like 1500 minimum. (or even higher than that.. my favourite reviewer on this site pumps out reviews that are up to 8500 characters long.. Now thats a real review) Sadly though this may not happen.. I've seen a lot of suggestions regarding the review section of anime and nothing ever comes to fruition. |
kinoholicMay 30, 2011 12:55 PM
| For now, if you see these short reviews, just report them. I will usually remove them. |
| Making that restriction will only make people end their reviews with "minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit" until they can hit the submit key. There's no cure for stupidity. |
| Maybe we should include a word bank for reviews lol. |
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Nyron said: They're ordered by who registered first, so precedence is given to older users. I don't know if that's a great system but it's about as good as any other, excluding votes, which Xinil has said he doesn't want to implement. Aside from the brevity and dumbness of some reviews, I think the system's fine and dandy. The Recommendations thing is what needs to be overhauled. They seem to be ordered by what got posted first rather than what makes sense, and when two users recommend the same thing, the first one submitted will always be the one prominently displayed even if the other one is more in-depth and logical. You're supposed to vote on the quality of the recs by making a rec of your own; if you agree with the top rec, make another identical rec and state your reasons. If you disagree, find a better match and create that rec. Theoretically, this should work perfectly but since most people are lazy and unwilling to make recs, it doesn't work very well. Blame the other users, I guess. |
Chavez said: I agree, probably not showing reviews until a mod review them may solve the problem.Making that restriction will only make people end their reviews with "minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit" until they can hit the submit key. There's no cure for stupidity. |
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| Just to note: there is already a minimum (unless it recently was removed, which I think not). It's just not specified and not very long. |
SweetMonia said: Chavez said: I agree, probably not showing reviews until a mod review them may solve the problem.Making that restriction will only make people end their reviews with "minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit minimum character limit" until they can hit the submit key. There's no cure for stupidity. I agree with that idea. Sure it increases the work load but maybe you could just increase the task force on mal if someone is willing to do the job. Maybe even take the review moderator idea that was posted awhile back into thought. I still think that would be a good idea. |
| I was reading some reviews and noticed short review's and also noticed they were already reported I see people are starting to get a hint. Kineta said: As for that Why not add a more clear explanation ? provide a link to a specific thread perhaps ....Or show a preview of how It shouldn't be done as there are people that don't know... and that's why they write a review in that manner.Just to note: there is already a minimum (unless it recently was removed, which I think not). It's just not specified and not very long. |
| Haters gonna hate the ones that keep it real. |
Nyron said: moderator bias. Thats not really a good argument against it since that already comes into play with a lot of the other things they do on this site. You just got to be selective with who you choose for the position. |
Nyron said: I think that mainly depends on if mods are going to decide if the review is following a well-defined rules for reviews or read the review and judge on their quality(with their own judge), my suggestion was about the first one.Kinoholic said: Nyron said: moderator bias. Thats not really a good argument against it since that already comes into play with a lot of the other things they do on this site. You just got to be selective with who you choose for the position. mod selection decisions on this site are questionable at best. I don't think making them a flaming hoop to jump through to submit a review is a great idea, that's all. |
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| Just make it as "a moderator will review the review before it will be posted." |
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Cashdaxxx said: Just make it as "a moderator will review the review before it will be posted." We would basically need moderators exclusively for that job at that point. |
Brand said: Indeed.Cashdaxxx said: Just make it as "a moderator will review the review before it will be posted." We would basically need moderators exclusively for that job at that point. I'm not against the idea as quality>quantity, and some QC is definitely needed, but freedom of expression etc. Furthermore, you'd need guidelines on what needs to be in a review (or what standards it needs to achieve), which will stifle creativity, just like the previous review rating system (characters, story scores etc.). |
Sohei said: I don't think it would stifle creativity too much. It's just that certain reviews will be filtered out before it will be posted. Reviews that are trolly, incomprehensible, off-topic, and/or offensive. The community can keep the same old rules.I'm not against the idea as quality>quantity, and some QC is definitely needed, but freedom of expression etc. Furthermore, you'd need guidelines on what needs to be in a review (or what standards it needs to achieve), which will stifle creativity, just like the previous review rating system (characters, story scores etc.). Nyron said: Actually, it promotes your idea. One way or the other.Cashdaxxx said: No really, that'd suck for every party involved.Just make it as "a moderator will review the review before it will be posted." |
CashdaxJun 2, 2011 8:37 AM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
AnnoKano said:
24 hours is way too steep, even for thorough reviews. A minimum number of episodes doesn't work either. How would this work with series such as Gundam Unicorn or Hellsing Ultimate? You'd be waiting years before someone posts a review. |
| I can't speak for Hellsing Ultimate's release time for the first three episodes (as I have not waited for them), but for Gundam Unicorn that would mean roughly waiting 1-2 years (if not more) before the first three episodes were released. It is also impossible to split them up as it is indeed one OVA. As for limiting the restrictions to shows with a regular release schedule, that would work, but it would of course require quite a bit of coding, how much i don't know, but probably enough for Xinil to not make it a priority compared to other issues on MAL. |
AnnoKano said: Mods will just filter out fail reviews. Read my previous post about it.Also, I do not agree with allowing mods to decide whether or not a review can be posted. They should only have the authority to remove reviews that fail to meet acceptable criteria. AnnoKano said: No, early reviews gives other users a hint if the series is watchable or not.Set a minimum number of episodes before allowing reviews to be written |
CashdaxJun 4, 2011 2:05 AM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| Going to have to agree with this suggestion. There needs to be a minimum, and even if people post less there would be a warning that can deter at least some of them. Users who ignore the warning and post drivel to fill up the remaining space are more likely to get their review reported as well. Set a minimum number of episodes before allowing reviews to be written I'm not so sure about this one... It is stated right on the review how many episodes have been watched so it is clear to the reader. The reviews are already weighted by helpful/not helpful anyhow, and users who are determined to write gibberish reviews will just lie about the number. As for time restrictions.... I don't really see much benefit. Timers actually are difficult to implement codewise, and I think a lot of review writers like to write reviews offline before copying them back to mal. If there are a lot of posts from one user in a short period, it could be a spammer sure, but that is something that should be handled at a webserver level instead (perhaps with an apache module like mod_security). |
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| Since it's somewhat related, I'm going to suggest some type of time period in which reviews become "active" for newly aired anime. I'm getting tired of seeing reviews when only 1 episode has been released... just post in the episode discussion... |
GogettersJul 4, 2011 6:01 PM
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Episode 1 reviews aren't a bad thing. It's good to know if a show has high prospects or not. I'd have to disagree with that. Many series depending on their plots, may take several episodes to truly start progressing and pulling in the viewer. It won't be fair to the series as a whole if people are turning away because they are reading first episode reviews that are painting it out to be bad, when they could very well turn out to be brilliant. I agree with many that they should be based on a mininum episodes seen as that allows you to get a more concrete feel to the series you are intending to review. |
Sir_Inqed said: It's called "first impressions". And it helps, slow paced anime(s) are usually hyped so it's not really a problem. And yeah, don't forget that reviews are subjective. I think anyone can understand the difference between underrated or overrated reviews. (not to mention that there are at least two(2) persons that will write a one-episode-review, therefore more perspectives are being read.) Episode 1 reviews aren't a bad thing. It's good to know if a show has high prospects or not. I'd have to disagree with that. Many series depending on their plots, may take several episodes to truly start progressing and pulling in the viewer. It won't be fair to the series as a whole if people are turning away because they are reading first episode reviews that are painting it out to be bad, when they could very well turn out to be brilliant. I agree with many that they should be based on a mininum episodes seen as that allows you to get a more concrete feel to the series you are intending to review.AnnoKano said: Then the review page should show the persons who got most "HELPFUL" votes(I think I've seen the page where it shows this one but I forgot where). It can be classified as elitism but good quality reviews are guaranteed if they are prioritized. Hmm, well how about a feature to prevent reviewers from taking up several slots on the front page at once? That would reduce exposure to those who write multiple reviews in a short space of time, and that way people who spam the reviews page would get fewer votes anyway. |
CashdaxJul 10, 2011 12:34 AM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
Cashdaxxx said: Sir_Inqed said: It's called "first impressions". And it helps, slow paced anime(s) are usually hyped so it's not really a problem. And yeah, don't forget that reviews are subjective. I think anyone can understand the difference between underrated or overrated reviews. (not to mention that there are at least two(2) persons that will write a one-episode-review, therefore more perspectives are being read.) Episode 1 reviews aren't a bad thing. It's good to know if a show has high prospects or not. I'd have to disagree with that. Many series depending on their plots, may take several episodes to truly start progressing and pulling in the viewer. It won't be fair to the series as a whole if people are turning away because they are reading first episode reviews that are painting it out to be bad, when they could very well turn out to be brilliant. I agree with many that they should be based on a mininum episodes seen as that allows you to get a more concrete feel to the series you are intending to review.AnnoKano said: Then the review page should show the persons who got most "HELPFUL" votes(I think I've seen the page where it shows this one but I forgot where). It can be classified as elitism but good quality reviews are guaranteed if they are prioritized. Hmm, well how about a feature to prevent reviewers from taking up several slots on the front page at once? That would reduce exposure to those who write multiple reviews in a short space of time, and that way people who spam the reviews page would get fewer votes anyway. Reviews after one episode. Whats the rush? I guess it is kind of ok to rate a 13 episode anime after one episode but what about those with 26, 52? It's kind of like judging a manga by the first page. It would be an underestimation to just quit right away and not see what the anime has to offer. Reviews after watching the first episode usually are too biased and makes people jump to the wrong conclusions. As for the reviews, i strongly support the moderator's reviews before allowing reviews to be posted. I would even take on the job to do this. |
AnnoKano said: I don't think I've said anything related to a finished anime. When I say 'first impressions' it means that the anime is still airing, there's no one in MAL(I think) who posts one-episode-reviews on finished anime(s). They go straight to the forums related to the anime they watched.Would you trust a one episode review of a series that has finished airing? If you answer 'no', then you can't really argue that a one episode review is of much use, because you are already admitting that it is not enough time to make a valid judgement on whether or not a show is good. What's more, do people really read one episode reviews to judge whether or not they should watch a show? It only takes 30 mins to decide for yourself whether or not it's worth carrying on. *And yeah, don't forget to look at the date. Most MAL users often forget to update their review. AnnoKano said: The 'Review page' currently shows the person who has the oldest account over the others on the first page, I'm just expanding the idea. And when I say 'elitism on reviews' that means the person already made good reviews that got a LOT of helpful votes.However, I fail to see how it would be 'elitism' to promote good quality reviews- if your writing is better than someone elses, you deserve to be given more prominence. Preventing people from posting several reviews in a short space of time, or indeed only allowing one review to be displayed on the 'Reviews' page, in my view, is the fairest way to resolve the issue. |
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| Yeh i support this idea too, the people that give short reviews also sometimes say spoilers... like "oh i hate it cuz he didnt get that girl" or something, people wouldnt bother typing paragraphs just to say that if there was a minimum character number:) |
| 2500 character minimum to post a review. a good chunk of amount of writing, big enough to include the smallest formatted reviews, only requiring slightly extra finesse and attention to detail. in all honesty, its about the size of the first paragraph through the end of my story score section on my hoshi no umi no amuri review (2512 characters). thats actually pretty small all things considered. if people are going out of their way to get around it or abuse the minimum, just enforce a no review policy upon that user. if this doesnt exist yet, the ability to prevent users from writing reviews, make one. this is not brain surgery. there also should be an option to write a spoiler review, option feature to tag it as such during the writing process, perhaps something that is automatically "hidden" from non-members as to not spoil it for people just stumbling across things on the site. and a user-specific setting to turn off viewing them while logged in (minus things that have been set to completed on your list). anyone abuses it and doesnt mark a spoiler review as a spoiler (using common sense on this one) the option to ban them from making anymore reviews should be considered. |
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AnnoKano said: lol, it's the voice in your head that made you think that I'm shouting when I posted it on bold.Maybe you should try the time to write CLEAR AND CONCISE explanations or CHECKING YOUR FACTS instead of being a condescending jackass when someone is unable to understand precisely what you mean when you make vague statements like "I think" and say "It can be classified as elitism" without bothering to explain why. AnnoKano said: We are currently circling on a loophole.Cashdaxxx said: I am aware of that; I was asked you that question to make a point.I don't think I've said anything related to a finished anime. When I say 'first impressions' it means that the anime is still airing, there's no one in MAL(I think) who posts one-episode-reviews on finished anime(s). They go straight to the forums related to the anime they watched. *And yeah, don't forget to look at the date. Most MAL users often forget to update their review. If you wouldn't trust a review of a single episode for a finished show, then you are admitting that 'first impressions' as you call them, are meaningless. AnnoKano said: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=298905&show=0#msg10795049The review page currently lists reviews in the order they were posted; the age of an account is not taken into consideration. Hence the term 'most recent'' |
CashdaxAug 14, 2011 11:38 PM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
AnnoKano said: Point? The sentence itself is my point, in it's simplest form. Bold letters? Emphasis.Cashdaxxx said: lol, it's the voice in your head that made you think that I'm shouting when I posted it on bold. I think you should be more concerned about the voice in your own head, because I never made any accusation or implication that you were 'shouting'. On the other hand, now that you've dug yourself in a bit, tell me... what were you trying to achieve by posting in bold? And while you're at it, why not address the point you were actually trying to make? AnnoKano said: Loophole: I like it, I use it, I take advantage of it, an early warning, the part where I can decide either I'll watch it or not. While you don't want it and you keep nagging that it's for no purpose.Cashdaxxx said: In what sense is it a loophole?You wouldn't trust a single episode review of a completed show because you wouldn't be able to consider it authorative.For the same reason, you cannot take a 'single episode review' of an incomplete show to be authorative.We are currently circling on a loophole. The only reason people give them any consideration at all, is because the shows featured are not complete; however as we concluded earlier reviews of incomplete shows are not authorative. Reviews: 'First Impressions', headache.jpg *Why can't you just understand? facepalm.jpg AnnoKano said: Ohw, I'm wrong with this part.Cashdaxxx said: Perhaps you ought to read that post again, very carefully this time, and see if you can spot your mistake.http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=298905&show=0#msg10795049 Hint: Kuroshiroi is not talking about reviews. (This is why I suggested you check your facts before you engage in an argument). AnnoKano said: 10-second facepalm.jpg, there's no point in debating someone who is really unreasonable. I've said it more like 5 times already, FIRST Impressions.Tell you what- find me some single episode review of a 11+ episode series that isn't vague about story and plot, offers fair scores that are not too polarised, manages to go into reasonable levels of detail about the show and *does not repeatedly use variations of the phrases 'so far' and 'but it's only the first episode". Good luck! HINT: *the words 'so far' and 'but it's only the first episode' is needed on those reviews. Without them, it would be prejudicial to the WHOLE story. Vague? gahhhhhh. *And sorry for my current grammar, I just can't stand this stupidity. facepalm.jpg + pity *And this is really off-topic. |
CashdaxAug 15, 2011 3:31 AM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| i say this based on the other thread that touches on this topic of first impression reviews 'start a discussion for first impressions, not a review,' although im certain there was yet another topic on it where someone else voiced the same thing, but i couldnt find it. how hard is it to just hop into the episode discussion, why do people feel the need to start a review and +1 or +10 it, and even if there was a reasonable median number being used (3-8), how could you possibly put emphasis on how good the show is after one episode. the start could be really boring but quickly, or eventually become good, or someone could adjust to the pace and it could somehow become less important and bare less of an impact. it could start off really well and then skew off on a tangent and become dull, or terrible. these kinds of reviews rarely do anyone any real favors, lets face it. i watch the first episode, feel the absolute need to talk about it.. hop on in the episode discussion (or start one), state how i would score it so far, for which reasons, open the floor up to anyone else. i guess the real problem with this right now, is not as many people make use of the episode discussions (i always skip after finishing lol), but if it were mandatory for these kinds of things, you would probably see a hell of a lot more use out of it all over. this brings in open discussion about the manga (if there is one relating to it, as an adaptation obviously) and perhaps what to expect, good or bad. theres no need to start a review after 1-2 episodes watched, or after a fraction (1/4th, 1/3rd, 2/3rd, 3/4th.. might as well finish at this point rofl) of the series watched, huge shounen (or otherwise) shows as the exception. |
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| MAL is too far gone to be a trusted review source, at this stage. Years of reviews consisting of only a paragraph or two, poor spelling/grammar and a rating reversal bug make it a lost cause. Plus, the average user only has the mental capacity to read a few sentences, at most. The entire system would need a overhaul, starting with posting restrictions being put in place and ending with the introduction of review moderators. And that isn't going to happen when Mr. Admin struggles enough just to keep the site semi-functional. |
| couldnt have said it better myself, tbh. cheers |
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| First impressions of a series is what I call for short and early review for an airing anime. Which in the reviewer's perspective: writes about what he/she feels about the current episodes, either a positive or a negative review. It's not necessarily a full review for no one can't write one when it's not finished yet, otherwise it's more like a speculation. They might seems worthless to you but it's a good way to avoid or to watch a series. Early reviews are subjective, therefore they are frequently compared to each other to get a result. Politely? You were the first one to bear your fangs. I'm a jackass? Seriously? Because of bold letters? Loophole: okay sure, a loop then. AnnoKano said: facepalm.jpg, Nobody can express their POV without justifying it. Read my posts first.You say you're having a hard time dealing with this 'stupidity' but thus far, the only person who has demonstrated their own stupidity has been yourself. You've come on this thread, stated your point of view without bothering to justify it, and don't understand why some people disagree with you. No, I'm five. And I know how to use bbcodes. |
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
Despised said: i say this based on the other thread that touches on this topic of first impression reviews 'start a discussion for first impressions, not a review,' although im certain there was yet another topic on it where someone else voiced the same thing, but i couldnt find it. how hard is it to just hop into the episode discussion, why do people feel the need to start a review and +1 or +10 it, and even if there was a reasonable median number being used (3-8), how could you possibly put emphasis on how good the show is after one episode. the start could be really boring but quickly, or eventually become good, or someone could adjust to the pace and it could somehow become less important and bare less of an impact. it could start off really well and then skew off on a tangent and become dull, or terrible. these kinds of reviews rarely do anyone any real favors, lets face it. i watch the first episode, feel the absolute need to talk about it.. hop on in the episode discussion (or start one), state how i would score it so far, for which reasons, open the floor up to anyone else. i guess the real problem with this right now, is not as many people make use of the episode discussions (i always skip after finishing lol), but if it were mandatory for these kinds of things, you would probably see a hell of a lot more use out of it all over. this brings in open discussion about the manga (if there is one relating to it, as an adaptation obviously) and perhaps what to expect, good or bad. theres no need to start a review after 1-2 episodes watched, or after a fraction (1/4th, 1/3rd, 2/3rd, 3/4th.. might as well finish at this point rofl) of the series watched, huge shounen (or otherwise) shows as the exception. Yeah, these single episode reviews would definitely be better off as discussions. It really isn't fair to give a review of an entire anime based off of an episode. A review is an evaluation, not an impression, let alone a first impression. You can't review a whole series only after watching one episode. You can have impressions, but writing based on an impression of only one episode cannot be considered a review because it is not evaluating the series in its entirety. If the anime is going to finish airing anyway, why not watch everything and then review it? I can understand people that want to review anime like Detective Conan or One piece since they don't seem to be ending anytime soon. |
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