xthedestroyer said: I'm not sure if someone else posted this, but in almost every anime the villain is a super over powered, meglomanical, highly insensitive, manipulative and disrespectful prick who loves to remind the antagonist(s) of how helpless they are before his awesome might and how only he is fit to rule/poses said power/or whatever. It's cliche to the point of irritation and frankly, its kinda one sided and two dimensional. The main villain won't be very effective for the plot if it doesn't have some combination of those traits you call irritating and cliche. What do you propose as an alternative for stories that use villains and heroes? Is it also cliche for anime to have people walk upright and talk out of their mouths? |
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| Sigh...you seem to like just disagreeing with people for the sake of it it seems. Perhaps you share those same traits with said characters and are merely a one dimensional being yourself. And to answer your question, I'd like to see a little more realism, as it were. Cause "evil" people are rarely evil to that point. They are a mix of good and evil. Grey, like most things truly are. Sorry your view of the world is so black and white, I feel sad for you. |
| Every minute you are thinking of evil, you might have been thinking of good instead. Refuse to pander to a morbid interest in your own misdeeds. Pick yourself up, be sorry, shake yourself, and go on again. Evelyn Underhill |
xthedestroyer said: Sigh...you seem to like just disagreeing with people for the sake of it it seems. Perhaps you share those same traits with said characters and are merely a one dimensional being yourself. And to answer your question, I'd like to see a little more realism, as it were. Cause "evil" people are rarely evil to that point. They are a mix of good and evil. Grey, like most things truly are. Sorry your view of the world is so black and white, I feel sad for you. My view of the world has nothing to do with it and if it did you'd have to prove that the powers that be are not and have never been megalomaniacs, manipulative, and insensitive. That sir, would be quite the feat. But even with all those traits the villains that have them in stories are rarely completely evil, unless you're referring to simple villians from Disney films. In anime however, villains typically are morally grey. Fictional stories are not realistic. You simply can't have a story about super-powered individuals and have the main villain be weaker in power or resources than the main hero. There would be no conflict as the hero could remove whatever threat that villain posed without effort, kind of like Superman vs random-thug-on-the-street. |
Anime_NameMar 14, 2012 3:34 PM
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| Fillers. And a lot of ecchi. |
"People fall in love with a person, not a gender." |
| Fillers. Not unless they're short (1-3 episodes) and are actually entertaining. Then they're okay. But fillers that drag on forever is... blagh. I'm also cool with most ecchi, but I can't stand excessive censoring. Trust me when I say I'm not watching for the mosaics. DrRatekkusu said: Fights where the combatants feel compelled to describe their powers. Kill each other already, jeez. Nope, that'd be too easy. They have to describe every little detail. Villains are especially compelled to describe, after all they can't lose. So they might as well tell the heroes or let them figure out their super-powered flaw. After all they can't lose. /sarcasm. |
| perfect bishi in shoujo , they annoy the hell out of me |
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This is an excellent thread on what not to do 95% of the time if you want to stay original Nobody is trying to stay original. The people that make anime/manga were inspired to do so by anime/manga they saw as kids and they pay tribute to stories of the past with things like homages and using various ideas from those older shows. ofc doing that causes "cliche" topics like this from the peanut gallery. |
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ClaudiusClotaire said: nice to find another who doesn't like mecha stuff - however, not all mecha is crap: i.e. - big o, code geass, eureka seven, etc. - for the most part i avoid like the plague...Mecha, needs to fucking crash and burn. |
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Anime_Name said: plus, at this point in time, nothing is truly original - everything comes from something else via inspiration or downright exploitation - the nature of art/music/anime/fashion and everything else...so why not just enjoy what you enjoy and not pick everything to pieces? the key to great anime/manga is creating a truly moving and well written story line....This is an excellent thread on what not to do 95% of the time if you want to stay original Nobody is trying to stay original. The people that make anime/manga were inspired to do so by anime/manga they saw as kids and they pay tribute to stories of the past with things like homages and using various ideas from those older shows. ofc doing that causes "cliche" topics like this from the peanut gallery. |
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xthedestroyer said: Sigh...you seem to like just disagreeing with people for the sake of it it seems. Perhaps you share those same traits with said characters and are merely a one dimensional being yourself. And to answer your question, I'd like to see a little more realism, as it were. Cause "evil" people are rarely evil to that point. They are a mix of good and evil. Grey, like most things truly are. Sorry your view of the world is so black and white, I feel sad for you. You're pretty much spot-on with Anime Name. He does seem to just go around to topics for the sake of disagreeing. It's a form of trolling, especially in a topic like this which is everyone simply stating their opinions and since we're all human, we are not all going to have the same view points. |
Amberleh said: You're pretty much spot-on with Anime Name. He does seem to just go around to topics for the sake of disagreeing. It's a form of trolling, especially in a topic like this which is everyone simply stating their opinions and since we're all human, we are not all going to have the same view points. You can disagree with opinions bro. However calling people names and insulting me is a form of saying you have more right to state your opinion than I do. Not having the same viewpoints means disagree from time to time. |
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Anime_Name said: Amberleh said: You're pretty much spot-on with Anime Name. He does seem to just go around to topics for the sake of disagreeing. It's a form of trolling, especially in a topic like this which is everyone simply stating their opinions and since we're all human, we are not all going to have the same view points. You can disagree with opinions bro. However calling people names and insulting me is a form of saying you have more right to state your opinion than I do. Not having the same viewpoints means disagree from time to time. I would agree with you on this if this was a thread in which that made sense, but you're going and telling people "Your opinion is wrong". This thread was made for people to express what THEY PERSONALLY do not like in anime. Like, what THEY avoid. So it's personal, you can't say that someone is wrong for disliking certain elements of a series. I also was not calling you names. I said you were trolling, which seems to be the case. |
| Probably the over-use of rinse and repeat characters. |
| "Crazy Carnival." ~TK |
Amberleh said: I would agree with you on this if this was a thread in which that made sense, but you're going and telling people "Your opinion is wrong". This thread was made for people to express what THEY PERSONALLY do not like in anime. Like, what THEY avoid. So it's personal, you can't say that someone is wrong for disliking certain elements of a series. I also was not calling you names. I said you were trolling, which seems to be the case. I asked the person I quoted how can a writer make a story with heroes and villains without having the main villain being in a more powerful position than the hero. That guy isn't "wrong" for not liking it but I wondered if he was up to the challenge to tell a story that didn't use the cliche he is sick of. I never said he should feel that way or he should watch more of the crap he doesn't like. You've missed the entire point of comments by not even thinking about the questions I raise. Being personal doesn't make an irrational opinion from being any less irrational. |
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xthedestroyer said: I'm not sure if someone else posted this, but in almost every anime the villain is a super over powered, meglomanical, highly insensitive, manipulative and disrespectful prick who loves to remind the antagonist(s) of how helpless they are before his awesome might and how only he is fit to rule/poses said power/or whatever. It's cliche to the point of irritation and frankly, its kinda one sided and two dimensional. So true. Everytime a smart person dies, I go like, 'Geez they were only defeated because so and so had a so and so power...' |
| 'No matter how good you are you alone cannot change the world.' -L Death Note 'I don't like that word. After all, it makes me lonesome. Even though, 'Farewell'. I have to make sure I say it right, Amber?' -Maki, Darker than Black ~ They say too much thinking can create something that's not really there in the first place. So give me a moment, I'm busy thinking about cake. |
| while im not opposed to fanservice it is a problem when its the only thing a show has when people beat around the bush in a romance anime and dont get to confessing till the last episode predictability is sometimes annoying the thing i hate most is when shows end too soon, sometimes i just cant get enough of certain characters or shows for that matter.It pains me when these shows only have 12 episodes or cant get more than 1 season (chihayafuru might be an example of this) |
| Fanservice is a big one. If it's done right then obviously I don't mind it. But when it's hidden into action anime and shown at all the wrong times, it gets very annoying. Another is cliches, particularly romance cliches. I don't dislike cliches as much as I do fanservice because, let's face it, almost every anime is going to have them. But they're still a pain. Guys walking in on girls in the shower, getting slapped, apathetic main characters(?), seeing love interest with another girl (or boy) and getting the wrong idea, etc, etc. |
And what if all love is an act of bravery? Could you look me in the eye and say that you are not afraid?  |
| Those EXTREMELY, WHITE BRIGHT LIGHTS!!! Damn it! I'm going blind Censors take note |
| The whole harem thing, while entertaining, is pretty ridiculous sometimes. How most MCs always have some grand weird revelation. A good example would be when a male MC declares his love for some chick completely out of nowhere. |
| Lemme smang it girl. |
Reaper71 said: Fanservice is a big one. If it's done right then obviously I don't mind it. But when it's hidden into action anime and shown at all the wrong times, it gets very annoying. I agree! Fan service should be for animes which are made for that -.- These days I really don't like the fan service in Guilty Crown. I really find it annoying. |
OS_Christina706 said: if the only thing you found annoying in guilty crown was fan service, then you are either very lucky or very different from me...Reaper71 said: Fanservice is a big one. If it's done right then obviously I don't mind it. But when it's hidden into action anime and shown at all the wrong times, it gets very annoying. I agree! Fan service should be for animes which are made for that -.- These days I really don't like the fan service in Guilty Crown. I really find it annoying. |
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| I pick my animes carefully and I hardly ever get terribly dissatisfied about it.. But there is one small thing that really pisses me off in about most anime... The fact that about 99.9% of animes I watched have official pairings which includes the female being older than the male.. I mean seriously,why are the manga/anime creators are soo interested in making the male character interested in older women.. Its just my opinion but you can't deny the fact that alot of the animes nowadays makes the girl older than the guy in their romantic relationship. Not that im against it,but its just irritating.. |
| Its 420 out there somewhere. |
ArmorKingRulez said: The fact that about 99.9% of animes I watched have official pairings which includes the female being older than the male.. I mean seriously,why are the manga/anime creators are soo interested in making the male character interested in older women.. That's funny because other people remark about how lolicons and pedos are in every anime. Man, if only someone would organize a meeting of Exaggerators Anonymous to keep everyone on the same page. |
Anime_NameMar 16, 2012 3:59 AM
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big boobs... it is very very hard to take a character seriously when their jugs are bigger than their head... |
| Incest... which is ironic because I'm watching an anime with incest in it. The parts without it are nice though... |
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| Sometimes the main characters or generaly characters are screaming and yelling like hell... but i can put up with it :P |
| Gore, Blood, "infections". |
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| The endless fillers and flashback/recap episodes. |
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| When they try to make the animation high tech or 3D and I'm like ...don't do that. |
curiouser and curiouser :) |
| I really fucking hate that nose bleed when some dude get's a boner. It's the worst thing in anime ever. This make's me hate latest one piece episode's because of that damn Sanji. Edit: Forgot to add "in my opinion" |
czupakabra258Mar 24, 2012 12:50 PM
czupakabra258 said: I really fucking hate that nose bleed when some dude get's a boner. It's the worst thing in anime ever. This make's me hate latest one piece episode's because of that damn Sanji. Edit: Forgot to add "in my opinion" Except nose bleeds don't mean the character has a boner. It's used to indicate sexual arousal(boner not required). It's a cultural thing. |
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| A lot of anime needs to find some better sources of conflict. There are way too many conflicts that arise simply from a lack of communication that is either really stupid on the parts of the parties involved or simply unrealistic. Sure, arguments do generally stem from misunderstandings, but to have whole episodes or plot arcs based on something like this is... unfortunate and ultimately frustrating. Examples that come to mind: Basically all of Toradora!, but especially Ep. 12 when Minorin and Ryuuji fail to communicate to each other concerning their differences in opinion about Taiga's dad. In particular, Minorin should have told him about what had happened before since that's the piece of information that would basically resolve the issue. Ryuuji also should have listened to her considering that she's known Taiga longer than he has and that she clearly has some knowledge he doesn't and is not just acting like she is in order to screw with Taiga. Also, Index Ep. 12: sure, getting shocked over and over and calling Misaka's bluff is gutsy and certainly makes a point, but in the end all it did was to buy time for him to figure out what his proposal would be. Either think faster or at least try to explain yourself using some words. The situation felt way too contrived and unnecessary. |
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A lot of anime needs to find some better sources of conflict. There's no way to do that. The anime that are already created aren't going to be remade with some new conflicts that appease you and the anime that are still in the mind's of their creators are going to have conflicts their creators want, not you. |
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Anime_Name said: A lot of anime needs to find some better sources of conflict. There's no way to do that. The anime that are already created aren't going to be remade with some new conflicts that appease you and the anime that are still in the mind's of their creators are going to have conflicts their creators want, not you. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. This thread is for listing things that "you generally dislike about anime." When I say that anime needs to find better sources of conflict, I don't mean that the creators should go back and change things. I mean that contrived sources of conflict bother me, i.e. it is something that I generally dislike about anime since it is annoyingly common. I find this to be a very reasonable opinion to hold. |
ataraxialMar 25, 2012 12:59 AM
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ataraxial said: I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. This thread is for listing things that "you generally dislike about anime." When I say that anime needs to find better sources of conflict, I don't mean that the creators should go back and change things. I mean that contrived sources of conflict bother me, i.e. it is something that I generally dislike about anime since it is annoyingly common. I find this to be a very reasonable opinion to hold. And I was just saying maybe you should keep your personal dislike personal instead of implying anime creators need to or should abide by your preferences. It's not really reasonable. You've taken proven sources of conflict and labeled negatively just because you dislike them and want anime creators to dream up new sources. That just being new for the sake of being new things which is short-sighted, fickle, and ignorant of the need to make relateable subject matter. |
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| Too much modern Japanese weird culture. I love the ideals and philosophies of old Japan, but post WW2 Japan can get weird. Sticking tongue out and licking is kinda annoying. Weird Anime IE reason why there are so many weird Anime fans that are socially awkward and the image that they create for the rest of the fans. School girls, over the top anime art you see in these school girl anime, and WAY WAY too much borderline Pedophilia. Too much fanservice. It can be ok in moderation, but other times it takes away from the seriousness of a situation or show. Trying to somehow involve Japan into everything. I completely understand why for obvious reasons. Japanese overstereotyping other cultures. You will see a Japanese person in anime with blonde hair and blue eyes and they basically look like a stylized White person, but then in the same Anime you see a Chinese person wearing 2nd century gowns with traditional makeup/over the top accents. You see Japanese/Europeans looking one way in some of these Anime, but every other culture can look completely different which can have many different hidden meanings. Look at Code Geass. Kururugi is supposed to be Japanese? LeLouch, while supposedly 100% Britannian(british) ends up looking super Japanese and he is the main character. Yet, the Indian scientist in that anime and certain other cultures are made to look distinctly different. |
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| I also hate it when Japanese animation is too Japanese and it sucks when those damn Japanese don't place my cultural norms on a pedestal. Those bitches need to use knives and forks, Toriko has it right. |
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Anime_Name said: And I was just saying maybe you should keep your personal dislike personal instead of implying anime creators need to or should abide by your preferences. I would agree with this in almost all occasions... except for when the thread is explicitly asking for my personal dislikes. How about this? If you want me to keep my opinions to myself, keep yours to yourself as well. On the other hand, if you want to explain to me why I am wrong to dislike certain types of conflict in anime, not on the merit of the conflict itself, but because of some technicality in how I phrased things, then I would like to kindly point out that you are full of bullshit. When I say "a lot of anime needs to find better sources of conflict," it is the same as saying "I dislike some of the conflicts that don't work so well in a lot of anime." Nothing pretentious about that - it's just my personal opinion as you've kindly pointed out. I don't think that anime creators have any trouble with dreaming up new sources of conflict. In fact, they don't even have to be new - I enjoy conflicts that have been done many times before if they work well. Please note that the two examples I have come up with come from my second favorite anime series and the parent series of my favorite anime series. In other words, I enjoyed what the anime creators have come up with, both new and "proven." However, I was less than satisfied with those specific examples, not because they were not new enough for me, but because they felt contrived. I was frustrated when I watched those scenes, and I think that I am following in the spirit of this thread in explaining some of that frustration. If you really enjoyed those specific scenes, do tell what made them so great for you. Otherwise, please re-read the topic of this thread and understand that I was following directions, innocently putting my opinion out there when I was attacked for no reason other than the first sentence of my post which was only phrased in the way it was for rhetorical effect. |
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I would agree with this in almost all occasions... except for when the thread is explicitly asking for my personal dislikes. 'So are you implying that you are incapable of expressing personal opinion without also saying that whatever you dislike needs to change? How about this? If you want me to keep my opinions to myself, keep yours to yourself as well. I don't have your disability. I dislike chocolate cake but I don't want my bakery to stop making or change it's chocolate cakes because I am able to find cakes I do like and am capable of understanding my dislike doesn't indicate a fundamental failing of chocolate cakes that must be addressed. I can apply that to anime aswell. Anything I dislike is just that and the only change that needs to be done is me changing the channel/stream/disc to something that I prefer. |
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