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View Poll Results: Fractale Episode 11 Discussion
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 76 | 47.80% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 30 | 18.87% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 33 | 20.75% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 13 | 8.18% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 7 | 4.40% |
Voters: 159
#41
04-01-11, 4:32 AM
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Offline Joined: May 2010 Posts: 199 |
Good series but it feels like so much was left out and that really annoys me. So much potential gone to waste. |
#42
04-01-11, 4:41 AM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 2 |
Wait where is episode 12? Did the studio run out of money? Or is it going to be a exclusive on the blu-ray? |
#43
04-01-11, 4:45 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 6292 |
It was an interesting series but it kind of sputtered at the end imo. |
#44
04-01-11, 5:12 AM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 |
My god.. If only the show had more episodes. The whole thing just feels rushed and so many things are left unexplained or feel half-finished. I don't even know if the ending was supposed to be happy or sad or bittersweet, it just felt soul-crushing to me. Is new Phryne's personality a fusion of the old one and Nessa's or are they even alternating? The latter would be kind of awkward. The plot felt lacking and was not concluded in a satisfying way, and the romance part left a lot to be desired. This show is yet another epitome of missed potential... sigh, there are so few good boy meets girl romance adventures and here I was hoping for a satisfying successor. It was quite good at the start, but became kinda dull along the way. Sad, so sad.. |
#45
04-01-11, 5:30 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 65 |
Fractale started with 5 and ended with 5. It had good moments and a lot of potential, but execution was awful. No amount of pretty art and animation can excuse gaping plot holes, inconsistencies and horrible lack of logic. To me, characters were annoying and the random humor (pervert jokes =___=) was the worst. Some parts dragged and could be completely skipped. Some were only mentioned and then disappeared. I don't mind not seeing Clain's family, but the Fractale system itself? How come they didn't explain it =___= It seems to me as if they wanted to make this show "deep" while simultaneously "accessible" to all audiences. Aka: some deep meaning to spoon-feed the masses thickly covered with silly romance, stupid jokes and sugary cuteness. :/ |
#46
04-01-11, 5:40 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 2745 |
I'll take that as an ending. Decent enough but not the best, like the whole series i guess. 7/10 overall. Nice to see that guy get a stab to the gut, lol. |
#47
04-01-11, 5:53 AM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 365 |
A good series but should have been a few episodes longer in my opinion. It started well, drifted into the middle with the big change of direction then sprinted to the end without warning. Still I enjoyed it. Does anyone know if the OP has been released as a single yet? |
#48
04-01-11, 5:54 AM
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Online Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2686 |
Now that was one hell of a wasted potential. :/ Several first episodes with the introduction of an interesting premise made me think I'd rate this anime 8, then came the middle part with some utterly annoying aspects and so I lowered the score by 1. However, it was still enjoyable and overall OK. Finally, a fiasco called the last two episodes ensued and made me lower the score yet again and give it 6/10. The best part of the anime was the ED, I simply love it. @ManInBlack - yes, the OP/ED single has been released about three weeks ago, I think you can find it on Nipponsei. Modified by metamorphius, 04-01-11, 6:14 AM ![]() |
#49
04-01-11, 6:13 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 21 |
Rodac said: My guess would be that it was some sort of biocomputer with the AI being modeled on the original girl (or downloading her identity into the biocomputer in its entirety). Keep replenishing your supply of Phrynes through the clone farm, and be ready to repeat the process when the original AI degrades sufficiently (700 years). Since Phryne was numbered in the 150,000 series and the archpriestess was in the 140,000's they'd clearly been doing this for quite some time. If this is the case, then that happy little video was probably the last record of the original girl since dear dad was taking her to the fractale project to be disassembled and uploaded (just as bad as Phryne's father in many ways). Alabaster was setting charges to make sure that the job was done and the leadership of the temple was destroyed. I think the choice of name for that faction was pretty good, representing a "pure" white (read totally fanatical) ideal. At least Dias had the courage of his convictions--destroy the temple and fractale, don't try and take it over. Phryne's father may have found a note that indicated just what had caused a sixteen year old to revert to a ten year old personality (sexual abuse). Either his predecessor's weren't able to read between the lines, or were unwilling to go there in the way that he did. I don't think his predecessors even thought of the Phrynes as human judging by the acid bath removal of surplus or misbehaving clones. I agree, great gaping hole as to how Clain and Phryne/Nessa get back to his house. As to the virginity check, the upload was supposed to be accomplished by an identical key to the original girl (although environmental events would surely mean there would be minor physical differences with any clone, even if the genetic material was identical). Biggest hole is the restarting of fractale. Without the temple structure, we know the whole thing will end in another 1000 years anyway (Enri's comment was right on), so it's good to see someone starting to farm again. But since fractale is still functioning, are they just going to be the fourth millenial equivalent of the Amish? It would be easier to think I was right about Fractale being a biocomputer if Fractale had any personality whatsoever. At no point in the series does Fractale display that it has a mind of its own, or that it is anything other than a regular computer. If they had introduced quirks into the machine that were reminiscent of Nessa (or the original Phryne I guess) the whole thing would have made a bit more sense. Don't get me wrong, it still wouldn't have made any sense why they needed to base Fractale on a girl at all, but at least it would have fit with the story. I guess we could have been looking at the issue of abuse wrong in Phryne's case. It could have been that the "abuse" wasn't sexual, as much as it was that she was poked and prodded for years until they could figure out how to base Fractale on her (which was a terrible enough process that she created a 10 year old version of herself, named after her stuffed animal). It seems to me like Barrot went through generations of Phryne, trying to come up with the perfect abuse pattern, until he finally settled on a Phryne that was a virgin, but that had been tinkered with extensively (for the development of Fractale). My basis for that is extremely loose though. What kind of bugs me is that they had no way of knowing that she would even work as the key, and there are no 16 year old replacements for her if she failed. You'd think they'd have an army of Phryne's, aged 0-16 (with extermination happening at 17) ready to go, but whatever. I think Dias made good in this episode. Why he didn't kill Phryne earlier is still a huge logic inconsistency (since he knew she was the key) but he did go through with destroying the temple without any ulterior motives. He did what he said he'd do, and that is pretty respectable. I don't get why they couldn't have fired all of their missiles and their main cannon when the bay doors opened (which worked on the laboratory...) but I guess it's one of those things that just "works" in the sense that it allowed all of the other things to happen (Clain would have been gunned down for sure if the temple guards weren't busy with Alabaster). I guess Lost Millenium's new job is to figure out how to ween people off Fractale in the next thousand years. It's hard to say if it would be a thousand years though, since there is no temple, and no priestesses to continually update the uhh...firmware? Of the people with terminals (every day with the prayer, and then with the bigger ceremony). So it may be that Fractale won't last nearly as long this time. I'd be worried about humanity figuring out that there is no temple, and going after Phryne (to create another temple/key), but since there won't be a sequel, it doesn't really matter at this point. I agree completely with others that think an extra 11 or so episodes would have been helpful toward making the plot sensible. I'm not giving the production team a pass (I've seen amazing shows that were six episodes...like FLCL) but they clearly bit off more than they could chew. Oh well, there is always the manga, and the novels, which will hopefully expand on the plot a bit (if the novels ever get translated). Modified by Char0079, 04-01-11, 6:19 AM |
#50
04-01-11, 6:53 AM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 365 |
metamorphius said: @ManInBlack - yes, the OP/ED single has been released about three weeks ago, I think you can find it on Nipponsei. Many thanks! :) |
#51
04-01-11, 7:26 AM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 994 |
I loved this anime. I'm actually a fan of slow paced anime's. I have no idea why but I like them. The ending was nice. The fact that it was Phryne's body and Nessa's personality was awesome. I love Nessa, so I liked it. I didn't like the fact that Sunda died, but at least they were all happy. I am a sucker for romance!!!! |
#52
04-01-11, 7:28 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 44 |
MoonFox said: So... basically... almost nothing changed? Except of course the random people who died. Kids still living alone away from parents/family and living in buildings that don't necessarily exist technically. Oh, and being slaves to a virtual reality system unaware that their god was just a human from several hundred years ago. Not wanting to further their own culture and lives. So yeah... everyone's still a bunch of slaves to virtual reality pretty much. Except for some LM factions I guess probably. i think of it this way: people are now forced to ween themselves off of fractale instead of just suddenly getting rid of it. they'll have to learn how to do thing by themselves and actually become people again in time. as far as the whole god thing goes, the people never actually found out about the original phryne. i guess you could assume this also marks a shift from organized form of religion to a more naturalistic, earthy/buddist from of religion as they are weened off of fractale. |
#53
04-01-11, 7:42 AM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 817 |
Agreeing with many here, this had so much potential... oh well... The ending was somehow sweet, so it wasn't that bad... Anyway, I felt glad when the pedophile pig got stabbed... seriously, I haven't been this creeped out by a character since Scythe from Requiem for the Phantom... Btw, I looked up Phryne's name and found something interesting. In Ancient Greece, she was a beautiful, highly educated and kind courtesan, famous for getting naked on a trial... |
#54
04-01-11, 8:10 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 21 |
Ajunky said: Agreeing with many here, this had so much potential... oh well... Anyway, I felt glad when the pedophile pig got stabbed... seriously, I haven't been this creeped out by a character since Scythe from Requiem for the Phantom... Btw, I looked up Phryne's name and found something interesting. In Ancient Greece, she was a beautiful, highly educated and kind courtesan, famous for getting naked on a trial... I was kind of amused when I found the wikipedia article on Phryne last week. It's clear that the character in the anime is at least loosely based on the Phryne from history, for better or for worse. I think it's kind of sad that Nessa is gone as a separate entity, but at least Phryne still has her memories. If it had ended with Phryne not remembering Clain, or not being essentially the same (albeit happier), I probably wouldn't be planning on buying the inevitable blu-ray release. |
#56
04-01-11, 9:03 AM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 855 |
7/10 Is this anime... ending was so so.. didnt like much the new personality of Phyrine/nessa |
#57
04-01-11, 9:17 AM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 269 |
Pretty nice ending. But what I don't get is that girl that woke up, is Phryne or Nessa? Or Phyrne + Nessa = the real Phyrne(The old Phyrne) |
#58
04-01-11, 9:30 AM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 410 |
Considering I had pretty much given up on Fractale, that was actually a pretty good ending. I found myself actually caring about what happened again by the end, and I thought the epilogue was above average in its execution. Overall though, my expectations were set really high by the first few episodes, and those expectations were definitely not met. The universe was absolutely fascinating and the production values were through the roof, but the characters weren't great and the plot was underwhelming. It was a good watch I would say, but it had so much potential to be a great one. |
#59
04-01-11, 9:57 AM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 660 |
fine but not that good. a fine ending for an average series. Yamamoto failed me here seriously, i have lots of expectations for this show and in the end i just tried my hardest to finish this anyways, 6/10 for me i might as well "nitpick" my shows for the upcoming Spring season so i don't get disappointed with what i watch. Gosick, PMMM and Level E are the winners for me this ending Winter season. Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
#60
04-01-11, 10:04 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 130 |
So... Clain ends up with a mix of Phryne´s body and Nessa´s personality (or maybe even with "god" + Phryne´s and Nessa´s memories?) while the Fractale system is restarted for the last time. I am glad that we got a happy ending because I was afraid that one of the girls would have to die, but I still feel a bit disappointed. Anyways it was a nice anime but with really low rewatch value. |












