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03-25-11, 1:53 PM

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Only 30-35% of the country
 
03-25-11, 2:19 PM

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Well this is bad Hourou Musuko is one of fav. i think things will get better after the situation in japan improves.
 
03-25-11, 2:20 PM

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yeah Japan kinda broke not too long ago people not finding time for anime not all that surprising really
 
03-25-11, 2:25 PM

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Aren't blu ray sales way more important than ratings in Japan?
 
03-25-11, 2:33 PM

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Aren't blu ray sales way more important than ratings in Japan?

For who?

For anime producers, yes. For TV stations - ratings are more important. And noitaminA ratings get lower and lower with every new show they air. Once they get too low - that would probably mean no more noitaminA.
 
03-25-11, 2:36 PM

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i HATE see eden of the east and nodame on there.

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03-25-11, 2:55 PM

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I can't say that I'm surprised by this news.

Some episodes of Fractale aren't so bad, but some are awful. That's especially jarring considering that before it aired Fractale was hyped up like it was going to be amazing.

I couldn't make it through one episode of Hourou Musuko.
 
03-25-11, 2:56 PM

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That's too bad because they're both good anime.
 
03-25-11, 3:08 PM

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HM is brilliantly directed and no manga readers could convince me otherwise.

Bad as an adaptation =/= bad as a stand-alone anime.


...You're an idiot. Yes, if something as a bad adaptation, it is a bad anime. Especially when you NEED to read the manga to even understand anything that is going on. Remember when Doi showed Shu's diary to the entire school and embarrassed him, causing him to tell him he hates him later in episode 10? Oh, right, you never saw that happen because you didn't read the fucking manga, stupid.

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Disappointing to hear. I don't have much of a positive opinion of Fractale and am mostly finishing it because I am a completionist, but I was really enjoying Hourou Musuko and have plans to eventually read the manga. At least this is happening toward the end of the season rather than at the beginning or in the middle, though, right?


You have to read the manga BEFORE watching the anime, stupid.


This might come as a surprise to you, but no he/she doesn't have to read the manga before watching the anime. The purposes of an adaptation, other than to make money with a name people are familiar, is to raise awareness for the medium it's adapted from and to present that medium in a new form. There was no cautionary message in the first episode telling viewers to go off and read the manga because the anime starts a great deal into the story. And even if there was such a warning they technically wouldn't have any obligation to adhere to it.

That said, I enjoy both these shows.When I first read Fractale's synopsis I wasn't really expecting much from it but it managed to be a pleasant watch. Hourou Musuko however, I've been reading since its earliest chapters so I was bond to like it anyway, if the presentation didn't fail. The way it starts is disappointing but that's beside the point.

Despite the circumstances in Japan likely having an effect on the ratings I'm quite curious about one other thing; why is it solely the fault of the producer?


What an idiot.
 
03-25-11, 3:08 PM

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This is not surprising. Hourou Musuko is a very bad adaptation. Think it like its FFXIII. Nice polished art but an empty shell. And they decided to skip stuff and its bad.

Fractale is pure shit that looks awfully outdated. They could have skipped episodes 1 to 6 it nobody would have noticed, nothing happens anyway.

So if any people are surpised by this,I,m surprised by those people.
 
03-25-11, 3:15 PM

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I'm going to agree with Chibisah here. Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad? Of course it doesn't. I'm a fan of the manga, but I can still appreciate it in all its animated glory. Hell, I thought that Hourou Musuko would never even get animated, so I'm just thankful that there's something for it, no matter how many chapters it misses.
 
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Considering the only things better this season are Madoka and Level E, the fact these 2 recieved such little attention disappoints me greatly. Admittedly there's a crisis going on, but it's not as if either of them have been all that popular since the start.
 
03-25-11, 3:16 PM

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Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad?


YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!
 
03-25-11, 3:27 PM

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That's terrible.
Such great shows, and low rating?

Anyway, I don't think Japan is thinking right now of watching anything on TV xDU
 
03-25-11, 3:41 PM

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That's terrible.
Such great shows, and low rating?

Anyway, I don't think Japan is thinking right now of watching anything on TV xDU
Why are people assumming ALL OF JAPAN IS CURRENTLY HOMELESS? The quake and tsunami only affected a portion of Japan, the areas with the largest populations, and where most of the anime/manga industry is centered, are quite intact, besides a few small damages on old structures. In other words, please stop it with the quake excuse here since it's obvious that by this point, whoever was watching the shows would have watched them anyway. What else are you supposed to do if you aren't affected, sit by in your room praying for the victims? Life goes on you know.

 
03-25-11, 3:46 PM

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other shows out there deserve lower ratings... i won't mention any, i'll be targeted by immautre shounen yakuza kids.
 
03-25-11, 3:52 PM

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retrodarling said:
Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad?


YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!


then why give it a 7.
 
03-25-11, 4:02 PM

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HM is brilliantly directed and no manga readers could convince me otherwise.

Bad as an adaptation =/= bad as a stand-alone anime.


...You're an idiot. Yes, if something as a bad adaptation, it is a bad anime. Especially when you NEED to read the manga to even understand anything that is going on. Remember when Doi showed Shu's diary to the entire school and embarrassed him, causing him to tell him he hates him later in episode 10? Oh, right, you never saw that happen because you didn't read the fucking manga, stupid.

I understand what's going on without reading the manga. Everything I needed to know has been implied. I don't need spoon-feeding.

And, about the adaptation thingie, Higurashi is a bad adaptation but, as opposed to Umineko, it's pretty decent as a stand-alone anime. Once again, bad as an adaptation =/= bad as a stand-alone anime. If you don't agree with this, say it in a nice manner. No more name-calling please.
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03-25-11, 4:03 PM

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YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!

You made your stance clear, there's no need to keep insulting people that don't share your opinion.
 
03-25-11, 4:25 PM

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Unlike most people here. I have to agree with the rating.
Fractale and Houro Musuko are boring in my opinion.
Especially compared to Mahou Shoujo Madoka. Damn the trolling.
 
03-25-11, 4:28 PM

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fractale is quite decent

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03-25-11, 4:30 PM

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This is just for last week right, not overall? It's not surprising that ratings would be lower given everything that's going on.

Fractale isn't my favorite show, but it's not bad by any means, it's pretty good actually. So it's surprising that it would get low ratings. Hourou Musuko definitely isn't everybody's cup of tea, but it's one of my favorites this season, so it's sad to see it not doing well.
 
03-25-11, 4:32 PM

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Ah, that’s a shame. While I don’t really like Fractale as a whole, for it was mostly boring and trying to be “deep” when plot-holes were everywhere and let’s say the art is quite outdated, it isn’t entirely bad.

And, as things go for Hourou Musuko, it disappoints me that it has such low rating since it is a truly bold show, and IMHO, one that shows real life’s teenagers problems as they are, no sugar or sprinkles to make you see things in the best light. I feel it’s a great experience, my favorite of the season, even if for many it seems like a disgusting theme.
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03-25-11, 4:43 PM

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jpem said:
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Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad?


YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!


then why give it a 7.


Because what it DOES cover, it covers decently. Now if you'll just look at what score I gave the manga...

Urufuzu_rein said:
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Urufuzu_rein said:
HM is brilliantly directed and no manga readers could convince me otherwise.

Bad as an adaptation =/= bad as a stand-alone anime.


...You're an idiot. Yes, if something as a bad adaptation, it is a bad anime. Especially when you NEED to read the manga to even understand anything that is going on. Remember when Doi showed Shu's diary to the entire school and embarrassed him, causing him to tell him he hates him later in episode 10? Oh, right, you never saw that happen because you didn't read the fucking manga, stupid.

I understand what's going on without reading the manga. Everything I needed to know has been implied. I don't need spoon-feeding.

And, about the adaptation thingie, Higurashi is a bad adaptation but, as opposed to Umineko, it's pretty decent as a stand-alone anime. Once again, bad as an adaptation =/= bad as a stand-alone anime. If you don't agree with this, say it in a nice manner. No more name-calling please.


Higurashi is just as bad as Umineko is. The VNs for both spit upon their half-assed adaptations.
 
03-25-11, 4:54 PM

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Now I just don't get why ratings matter so much.


By and large, noitaminA shows bomb on DVD/BD and have little merchandising potential. Without TV ratings, there's no financial reason for the slot to exist since the odds of producing a profitable series would be so low.

noitaminA was special in that it was a late night slot that could sustain itself via strong TV ratings.
 
03-25-11, 4:57 PM
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How disappointing, though I wouldn't be surprised if these ratings were largely due to the current situation in Japan. Many of the series that have been on Notiamina are some of my favorites. It would be such a shame if it were to be canceled.

 
03-25-11, 5:13 PM

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Watching Hourou Musuko make me tired, especially when Nitori talks but overall it's pretty nice show. As for Fractale, watch and forget.
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03-25-11, 5:17 PM

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Aren't large parts of Japan without power still and focusing on other things? How do these numbers compare to other shows airing this week?


Not to mention, that who has time to watch anime when there are things to do like wait in line for hours for gas or help the people that need help, perform rescue operations, find the 10k+ still reported missing...

I think there are plenty of more important things than anime right now.

Oh, and the fact that food and water sources are becoming irradiated past healthy levels in some areas.
 
03-25-11, 5:31 PM

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I prefer Rio Rainbow Gate to theses twos.
The proof : I continue to see Rio and not them. :D
 
03-25-11, 6:09 PM

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if your gonna say it sucks, rate it accordingly or gtfo.
 
03-25-11, 6:39 PM

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I haven't watched them both.
 
03-25-11, 6:43 PM

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Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad?


YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!


If chapters were cut out to the degree where shit literally did not make sense anymore, then fine, you could call it the worst adaptation ever. But Hourou Musuko is different in the sense that as an anime it works sufficiently without them.


THE.FIRST.FOUR.VOLUMES.WERE.ENTIRELY.SKIPPED.
 
03-25-11, 6:46 PM

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sure they aint the best, but i didnt think they wher ethat bad... but lol maybe its cuz Noitimina just usual has such high ratings that normal ratings are too low for them >.<



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03-25-11, 6:53 PM

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At first, I was really surprised about this o_o since both series seem to be well-liked - at least on the forums here... But then again, this is true:

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Does this dude not realize most of his country is in emergency status and occupied with other things at the moment?
 
03-25-11, 10:27 PM

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I thought Hourou Musuko was getting better...
First few episodes bored me out but recent episodes were less boring...
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03-25-11, 11:22 PM

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Fractale is terrible.
 
03-25-11, 11:34 PM

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Fractale has too many boring eps, or fillers, whatever you want to call them:
- a girl playing hide and seek,
- hacking board computer with an iPod,
- loitering around in a digital city,
- watching the laundry dry...
This is not how an interesting plot goes. And the "bad" characters are shown so rarely I barely know who's who. No wonder it didn't sell.

And, finally, Nessa is freaking annoying. I know most of you like her, but I just can't stand another series which is that much centered on a little brat. The fact that she has the voice of Yui makes it even worse.

Fractale would be better if it had 6 episodes. Like Aim for the Top! series.

this post +1

Wandering son is too mishandled to be called great

best in season
Level E and Madoka (no sh*t right?)
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03-25-11, 11:38 PM

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Well, it sure isn't one of my favorite noitamina seasons so far, but Fractale has a great concept and HM is very well executed (haven't read the manga and I don't care what they left out, it makes sense, though many things are implied and not shown on screen. But it seems it is a good thing I don't know the manga, otherwise I would maybe be unsatisfied too), but Noitamina shows don't seem to get the acknowledgement they deserve.
Next two seasons seem very promising too and with AnoHana I think there's a show that has a good chance to be successful with the mainstream too.
Meh.
 
03-26-11, 3:31 AM

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O_o...I can't believe it...
I think that both of the anime are very great and interesting to watch.
I wish the rating of the last episodes will be higher.
 
03-26-11, 3:56 AM

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Well, Fractale and Hourou Musuko are the worst NoitaminA anime I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than Shiki.

Hoping that C and Ano Hana, both next season, deliver and won't disappoint.
 
03-26-11, 7:39 AM

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It's not like an earthquake and tsunami struck Japan that could be the cause of this. Nope, nope, nope.
 
03-26-11, 1:47 PM

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It's not like an earthquake and tsunami struck Japan that could be the cause of this. Nope, nope, nope.

Sure it had some effect, but the ratings were already very low before the earthquake:
*1.9%(--.-%) 01/13 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale (2.5%, new) - Hourou Musuko (1.4%, new)
*1.8%(*1.9%) 01/20 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*1.6%(*1.8%) 01/27 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*2.1%(*1.6%) 02/03 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*1.5%(--.-%) 02/17 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*2.1%(*1.5%) 02/24 25:00-26:00 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
Modified by cleo, 03-26-11, 4:42 PM
 
03-26-11, 4:29 PM

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Excluding the radiation pollution of the food and water supply, Only 30-35% of the country is in the crisis area.

Yeah, it's only a third of an entire county, lol.

I think this news posting is dumb, not only because it's measuring popularity of late-night TV programs when Japan is in the middle of a national crisis, but it's also comparing the ratings of single episodes. Every show has a blah episode occasionally, so we shouldn't be using the ratings of a single airing of anything to make assumptions on overall popularity or quality of an anime series.

Nodame Canabile and Eden of the East? Seriously, those were two very popular animes in Noitamina's collection. Bringing them up as examples of poorly recieved programs only shows how flawed this methodology is.
 
03-26-11, 8:31 PM

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fri said:
Fractale has too many boring eps, or fillers, whatever you want to call them:
- a girl playing hide and seek,
- hacking board computer with an iPod,
- loitering around in a digital city,
- watching the laundry dry...
This is not how an interesting plot goes. And the "bad" characters are shown so rarely I barely know who's who. No wonder it didn't sell.

And, finally, Nessa is freaking annoying. I know most of you like her, but I just can't stand another series which is that much centered on a little brat. The fact that she has the voice of Yui makes it even worse.

Fractale would be better if it had 6 episodes. Like Aim for the Top! series.

this post +1

Wandering son is too mishandled to be called great

best in season
Level E and Madoka (no sh*t right?)

yeah pretty much
 
03-26-11, 8:43 PM

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About one third of the country is in crisis; I'd expect TV shows to take a hit. In fact, it's a wonder that Fractale and Hourou Musuko are even airing, since I believe many anime were postponed due to extended coverage of the earthquake and tsunami.

But still, it's a shame. I don't wath HM, but Fractale is an interesting anime.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
 
03-26-11, 10:16 PM

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retrodarling said:
Sure, the anime cut out a ridiculous amount of chapters, but does that mean that the anime is bad?


YES, YOU MORONS, YES IT DOES!


If chapters were cut out to the degree where shit literally did not make sense anymore, then fine, you could call it the worst adaptation ever. But Hourou Musuko is different in the sense that as an anime it works sufficiently without them.


THE.FIRST.FOUR.VOLUMES.WERE.ENTIRELY.SKIPPED.


so WHAT?

You too dumb to realize that not every adaption has to go with the adapted work all the way? The anime creates a new story just BASED on the manga, instead of just copying it. That's all! And heck, I liked the fact that the first mangas were left off and they started with the plot without introducing the characters first, it became more interesting that way.
 
03-27-11, 1:53 AM

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Fractale is shit, no surprise

H.Musuko well attracts only minimum , but i do like it
 
03-27-11, 1:55 AM

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KillerYandere said:
It's not like an earthquake and tsunami struck Japan that could be the cause of this. Nope, nope, nope.

Sure it had some effect, but the ratings were already very low before the earthquake:
*1.9%(--.-%) 01/13 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale (2.5%, new) - Hourou Musuko (1.4%, new)
*1.8%(*1.9%) 01/20 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*1.6%(*1.8%) 01/27 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*2.1%(*1.6%) 02/03 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*1.5%(--.-%) 02/17 24:45-25:45 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
*2.1%(*1.5%) 02/24 25:00-26:00 CX* noitaminA - Fractale - Hourou Musuko
Can you post the viewing figures for Madoka Magica as a reference? Madoka's first airing overlaps with Hourou Musuko and has a massive following in Japan.
 
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Can you post the viewing figures for Madoka Magica as a reference? Madoka's first airing overlaps with Hourou Musuko and has a massive following in Japan.

*2.5% 01/06 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica (New)
*3.0% 01/13 (Thu) 1:06am-1:36am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*2.7% 01/20 (Thu) 1:35am-2:05am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*1.9% 01/27 (Thu) 1:35am-2:05am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*1.6% 02/03 (Thu) 2:01am-2:31am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*3.2% 02/10 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*2.0% 02/17 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*2.0% 02/24 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*1.8% 03/03 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
*2.5% 03/10 (Thu) 1:25am-1:55am MBS Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica
-> these are the ratings for the 1st airing on MBS. After that there are several reruns on different channels and Niconico. A rating between 2-3 for a series broadcasted in a late-night timeslot means it's doing well.
The Noitamina ratings I posted earlier are the averages for the entire time-slot, the number between brackets being the rating of the week before. Fractale isn't doing that bad, but it's certainly not the hit Yamakan wanted it to be.

These are the average ratings of noitaminA shows to date.
 
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Well, both shows have their anchors I think.
Fractale lacks in the animation department (they vary between shiny settings, and then some with no shine which is extremely irritable) and, in my honest opinion, some of its content. The show was really overrun by fanservice and everything's so nice and wonderful for the most part, that I can't help but think thats all of this is REALLY mauling the dark parts over. This show isn't suited for darkness like deaths and such, so its unbelievably out of place. Mind you I like the addition of the darkness, but it feels like its thrown in to me. Like 'Happy, happy, DEATH, more happy, I'm so overjoyed!' Its a bit unnerving to be quite honest.

Wandering Son on the other hand has fantastic animation, but I find it a bit lacking because its pace is somewhat slow to me, and honestly they shouldn't have started where they did in the show.
I started reading the manga and find it loads more addicting than the show. :s;

But I would've thought Fractale would be getting lower ratings than Wandering Son because of Fractale's director's comments. What a jerk. :|
 
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