Pandora Hearts Chapter 59 Discussion
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Vincent is what I would consider to be Chaotic Good. He has good intentions (he wants whatever is best for Gil, even though he's cooperating with the Baskervilles for unspecified reasons), but he has a psychopathic personality.
The opposite would be Fang. He's a Lawful Evil. He was one of the bad guys, but he was a fair fighter and he sacrificed himself to save Lily.
And about the death toll, Pandora Hearts is a series, while Crimson Shell was just a oneshot. I do think that Pandora Hearts will have a larger death toll (Break is guaranteed to die in the near future, and I can't see Oscar living to the end of the series either). The best part about Jun is that she is not afraid to go for the kill (literally) by killing off fan-favorite characters. Fang was much more popular than Doug, and Eliot was waaay more popular than most of the other characters.
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That was her wish? oo
Lol, thanks, I obviously missed that part. And I've been wondering about her wish for ages. Fail.
Yep, Break explains it here, and really, while he doesn't reference Alyss specifically, why else would he care about Alyss' connection to the tragedy? He's not simply curious about what happened 100 years ago, but her connection to it in particular, and I think makes sense that Alyss would want to know that.
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Break still has a very large role to play in the plot so I don't see him dying in the "near future." Currently he's the only person who can kill Baskervilles and he also has to fulfill Alyss' wish before he dies. Alyss' wish is to understand her connection to the Tragedy of Sablier, and I don't think that'll be revealed until the very end. Hence, I doubt Break can die until the very end. He still has 2+ years of chapters to go.
I say "near future" because Pandora Hearts doesn`t have much longer to go. Mochizuki said 20 volumes, and this is the second chapter in Volume 15. That`s 20 more chapters, or about a year and a half left.
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i don't think Mochizuki-sama is going to do another fake-out. And, to be quite honest, I think it would be a huge rip off for him to somehow come back to life. That would totally defeat everything that his death stood for.
Also; am I the only one to notice how significant the whole thing about rejecting your chain seemed? This may just be me, but i don't think we've seen the end of it for that. I'm going to predict that that'll come back someday either between Oz and Alice or Gil and Raven. Why, I have no idea. It just seemed too....big, to leave alone
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@ Neiru2012: Hmmm, I didn't know that was her wish, either... indeed I even thought it was to eat Alice after last chapter LOLOL
I'm pretty sure everyone will die, tho. If you ask me, I think the only surviving ppl will be the supportive characters like Reim, Oscar, etc, etc...
The ones who cared for the main ones, between them Sharon who is more relevant.
The only ones have a chance to stay alive are Oz, Alice and Gil, but I believe they'll die too.
@ GracefulDownfall: lol it's ok, I like to read other's comments and answer them too.
Regarding to what everyone said about Eliot's death being beautifully portrayed and that it would suck to bring him back bc it'd ruin the whole scene... yeah! It's true.
I think Jun-sama needed his death to move the story and plot, and even when she probably felt bad for killing Eliot, she WON'T change what happened. She's demostrated to be very professional, and that's why she's the best!
I'm still depressed, tho...
@ GennyMon: That was before reading the translation. I know he tryed to keep him safe.
However it still annoys me he didn't even think a bit about him while dying.
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when reim died i did have a feeling that he is actually still alive; but for elliot case.... omg he is so going to die... >_<
seriously elliot's last moment is well conducted, especially considering how he hated some1 for self-sacrificing. (somehow i m relief that it ended that way; it will be more depressing if oz had to end elliot's life with his own hand... )
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The complete loss of Elliot will heavily affect Oz, Gilbert, and Leo. Elliot is an important secondary character because he catalyzes Oz's change. Usually the hero's flaw will destroy him in most situations. Yet, Oz is attempting to reverse his fate, by giving up his passive nature. Hm..I really wonder how it'll affect them.
Isn't Jack is so violent, destructive, and calculating.
Whenever Oz suddenly goes into a maniac state...most of us would point the finger at B-Rabbit (or B-Rabbit's power). I strongly feel Jack is a completely different person underneath.
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This may be wrong but I thought it might be worth mentioning......
I'm fairly certain that Oz was the one who killed Alice. It sounded like, in the beginning, he was saying, I did it again. I killed..........Alice. That's just how it came across to me. And then, on page 21, Humpty Dumpty(?) is saying, "The wish of the Will of Abyss..........eat(?) the Black Rabbit."
Okay, I have a theory that may neither be correct, but possibly Oz is somehow connected to the Will of Abyss? The only person to snap him out of his, erm, 'killing spree', or his madness (caused by Will of Abyss?) in chapter 58 was Alice, so maybe a part of him remembered what he had done and seeing Alice made it remember it didn't want to become that again....? I don't know, its hard to explain.......on paper (computer), it doesnt really make any sense -.-
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NO-! Liars............I just noticed something, When Elliot died, it was in the middle of volume 16, rite? And in Elliot and Oz's favorite book, Holy Knight, didn't Edward die a self-sacrifice in the middle of 'Holy Knight' volume 16?
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