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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 468 | 90.70% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 35 | 6.78% | |
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02-24-11, 9:35 PM
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Iilia said: Well, it's not like Mami has a whole lot of control.... most of the time Homura is in control of her own body. She was breaking down at the thought of Sayaka's state and it seems like she took control of Homura because she was overwhelmed by Madoka's carelessness in the bench scene.prismheart said: I agree with the Homura from the future theory. Homura taking Mami's soul gem isn't impossible, but I don't see why Homura would do it. If she was really sharing the body with Mami then I'd think that Mami would care more about Sayaka and not just Madoka.saka said: My working theory: Homura recovered Mami's soul gem, and Mami is sharing control of Homura's body. You can notice the transition between personalities quite clearly in this episode, more than the previous ones. Ahhhh, everything is getting more mindfucked. I like that, actually. I was thinking it was just Homura knew Madoka from elsewhere (future?) and held a soft spot for her but that also does make some sense. QB said quite clearly that he figured out time traveling was Homura's ability and that she came back in time to prevent whatever QB ("Incubator") is up to. I don't think Homura wanted to tip her hand so early, and that Mami made her attack a bit carelessly while saving Madoka from the contract. She brushes it off and returns to herself at the end of the conversation to not give away any more. Also do we know that Sayaka is dead? ...she probably became a witch. I imagine they'll be fighting her in tears in the coming episodes. I really like that sayaka is like a reverse Dark Magical Girl..... she starts out the comrade, then turns evil -- instead of the reverse. It's like a slap in the face to all the mahou shoujo anime that precede it. Sayaka is basically dead though as she can't possibly live much longer, short of wishing. Modified by saka, 02-24-11, 9:48 PM |
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02-24-11, 9:36 PM
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"If I have a grip on you, you can't use that technique of yours" *Flips a switch" GRENADE!!!!!!! Talk about having an ace in the hole. ![]() |
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02-24-11, 9:38 PM
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I totally called it. Homura is from the future! Fucking called it, fucking awesome. And I'll calm down later, but I really love my omnipotent awesomeness. |
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02-24-11, 9:39 PM
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Homura's face expression change very rapidly after the conversation with madoka makes me feels that she's pretending or something :D ![]() |
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02-24-11, 9:43 PM
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I...I......I have no word to accuratly describe how awesome this was but, will Sayaka kill uhhh (damn forgot her name) the red haired chick, or will someone save the day? |
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02-24-11, 9:53 PM
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saka said: Well, what I meant was that I don't see why Homura would take Mami's soul gem in the first place. How would this benefit her? If Mami was able to take control of Homura against her will like that I'd think it would be something Homura would dislike. I also don't see why Mami would want to stop Madoka from becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Before she died she was helping Madoka and Sayaka learn the ropes and was in no way trying to prevent them from becoming Mahou Shoujo. Homura, on the other hand, has been against it the whole time. It would make sense that Homura would stop Madoka, not Mami. Well, it's not like Mami has a whole lot of control.... most of the time Homura is control. She was breaking down at the thought of Sayaka's state and it seems like she took control of Homura because she was overwhelmed by Madoka's carelessness in the bench scene. QB said quite clearly that he figured out time traveling was Homura's ability and that she came back in time to prevent whatever QB ("Incubator") is up to. I don't think Homura wanted to tip her hand so early, and that Mami made her attack a bit carelessly while saving Madoka from the contract. She brushes it off and returns to herself at the end of the conversation to not give away any more. Also do we know that Sayaka is dead? ...she probably become a witch. I imagine they'll be fighting her in tears in the coming episodes. Homura also said, "Why must you always sacrifice yourself?" Really, what sacrifices has Madoka made? I can only assume that she's talking about something Madoka has done in the past. Maybe Madoka has always been making the choice to become a Mahou Shoujo, and Homura has been continuously going back in time trying to prevent that from happening. Homura also talks about people being sad if Madoka is gone, and what would happen to the people trying to protect her. She's speaking about things she shouldn't know much about, so it only makes sense that she's seen things in the past or future. Homura's breakdown seems like it's more out of frustration than anything else; she knows something the rest of the characters (and the viewers) do not. Edit: About the Sayaka being dead part, she isn't yet, but it looks like she'll either die or no longer be the Sayaka we used to know. Modified by desolato, 02-25-11, 3:40 PM |
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02-24-11, 9:58 PM
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Wait... if all the puella magi are undeveloped witches, why are they going around killing the witches? Now that I think about it though, it seems as if QB/Incubator is collecting all of the darkness that is taken out of the soul gems and absorbed into the grief seeds so he needs them to fight the witches. What's he going to use all that darkness for though? It seems like he already has a lot of it. |
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02-24-11, 10:05 PM
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saka said: *rewatches episode 3*I checked in here just out of curiosity, and I'm really surprised that nobody has thought of the same theory I've been running off since ep.6.... As soon as I saw Homura's teleporting ability I started wondering if it was a time freeze ability, and that maybe Homura had recovered Mami's soul gem after the battle. After all, we never actually see it after the battle, and we know the the body actually means nothing after the recent episodes. After this episode, now Homura's time freeze (actually control?) abilities are confirmed. Her (very out-of-character) outburst to Madoka makes me almost certain that my suspicions were correct. My working theory: Homura recovered Mami's soul gem, and Mami is sharing control of Homura's body. You can notice the transition between personalities quite clearly in this episode, more than the previous ones. I think I know the fate of Mami's body. Check out 21:24 of episode 3, just when Homura blew up the witch who killed Mami(now we know how she did it). Something fell out of there and splattered in one of those tables which I believe is Mami's body. And then there's this when Homura was saying that Madoka and Sayaka avoided death. Isn't that Mami's Soul Gem? Just saying :) |
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02-24-11, 10:14 PM
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At the rate this is going, this show will get a 10 from me. It's been a while since I felt this excited for a show, and I've seen some good shows recently. |
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02-24-11, 10:16 PM
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ydesol said: and i also love the character development in this anime. You build it all up, just to break it all down. Going to quote a comment off Random Curiosity from Saburou: I think this entire episode can be summed up in two quotes For Sayaka and Mami: ” Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain.” Kyubey: ” Some men just want to watch the world burn” ____ Concering the "Mami is sharing control of Homura's body" theory, I simply believe that Homura just had an emotional breakdown at that time. Notice what she says. Homura says that Madoka should not be so selfless, not be so nice and also think about the people that care about her, a similar message she has been saying before. Mami never thought Madoka was too selfless. Mami just thought she was a nice girl with the kindest of intentions, but lacked a goal. Mami was looking forward to working with Madoka! ![]() |
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02-24-11, 10:17 PM
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prismheart said: Well it still goes back that he can duplicate himself to be many of him and that he can never die because the copy eats the original en becomes the real himself again. Unlimited regenerations is what I call it. Better yet think of it as unlimited lives it certainly does coincide with superior existence as normal ones could never dream of doing that. Yumekichi11 said: Kyuubey is a duplicator that upon his death doubles himself Do you really mean double himself? I think he is just an extra-dimensional or even higher dimensional existence (not like a god or anything but something above humans and most magical beings in general) who is neither alive or dead but is always there. That's why he's everywhere at once (almost) and shooting him full of holes doesn't really do anything since he is not really there but is there. Kind of crazy, I know. Yumekichi11 said: I believe what happened when they showed her eye up close is that she killed those 2 guys and many other humans. prismheart said: The reason why I think of as this way is that there can be no greater Grief than killing a human life hence why even killing witches which were human before creates some Grief pollution within the Soul Gem.Oh, I didn't think about that. That would be really interesting if your right. I was just thinking that she finally reached her limit mentally/emotionally since it is called a grief seed. No events need to happen only thinking does. Yumekichi11 said: Comes another interesting part with Madoka. At one point all she does is stare up and the next thing you see is a blank screen with afterward Homura griping her fist with the jewel still shining. My take on that is that Homura can erase memories so much that Madoka did not remember much and starts to look for Sayaka, so she made her forget about Kyuubey Swiss cheesing. prismheart said: That's very plausible but also someone mentioned that it could be also that Madoka in the future may not handle well in the long run and what a powerful Mahou Shoujo is may be a super undefeated Witch that may consume the whole world if no Magical Girl can kill her hence why Homura wants to stop her from becoming a witch it can also go towards Madoka's dream vision in the beginning. Regardless if Faust references are right destruction and consuming of the world is exactly what evil wants. I thought since Kyuubey/Incubator said something about time traveling to Homura that Homura is actually from the future and knows something bad that will happen if Madoka becomes a Mahou Shoujo and fulfills Kyuubey's evil plan. I'm also thinking that Madoka did something like save Homura and that made Homura want to come back even more to the past to stop everything from happening. Again, not much evidence to back this up, just a hunch. prismheart said: Also, if Homura can control time to an extent then maybe she can make people forget about certain time frames so that's why Madoka ran off without thinking about the riddled with holes Kyuubey. Yes that's very much agreeable. Yumekichi11 said: For one I see old Magical Girls in shadow form, which really may be just a foreshadow to what happens with Sayaka at the end of the episode. One the pics shows what looks like a part of episode 1's segment of Madoka's dram. Another one also shows Walpurgisnacht. There is also one that shows people dancing in connection with Walpurgisnacht dance celebrations. One of them shows Eins Narr, what is that? Finally among those pictures there looks to be designs of a tall witch figure. Could it be the last boss? prismheart said: Nice catch, your very attentive. I didn't notice all of this at first. The magical girl shadows probably do foreshadow what happens to most magical girls and what happened to Sayaka. Eins Narr? I think narr means foolish or something in German. Not sure though. Interesting, foolish eh? Yes well this the only anime I can take time to decipher. Rest are just not so much as this series. This so reminds me of me and my friend taking shots at Chaos Head hence why Steiner's Gate will be cool to analyze like this series is. Yumekichi11 said: About Kyuubey, he is still a piece of shit prismheart said: That's why I can use the GIF in spoiler QFD. prismheart said: You may be right about that cycle in that way, hence it goes back to evil wanting to consume the world with Grief through one dominant witch, that of Madoka. Shit, I almost forgot. Someone else mentioned it but since the editing button rarely works I'm going with this for now. Kyuubey said something about growing women being called girls and growing witches being called mahou shoujos. That could mean that all mahou shojos become witches. So that cycle thing Yumekichi11 mentioned could be right. They are all part of Kyuubey's game to get the strongest witch (not mahou shoujo but witch since all growing witches are mahou shoujos). Could be talking crap but I when I saw that line it made me think about that I just spaced on it while writing this post. saka said: Something still does not fit, how can it be when Mami was being munched on while Homura only was able to escape from the locks that Mami put her in after she was consumed by the witch. Could be that the soul gem was left out but there is no indication of it.I checked in here just out of curiosity, and I'm really surprised that nobody has thought of the same theory I've been running off since ep.6…..As soon as I saw Homura's teleporting ability I started wondering if it was a time freeze ability, and that maybe Homura had recovered Mami's soul gem after the battle. After all, we never actually see it after the battle, and we know the the body actually means nothing after the recent episodes. saka said: That I will agree with, it's rather strange that it's like that. I will keep a tab on that while re-watching this episode.After this episode, now Homura's time freeze (actually control?) abilities are confirmed. Her (very out-of-character) outburst to Madoka makes me almost certain that my suspicions were correct. saka said: That is undeniable with one concrete proof, that of the OP where Madoka is naked and there is another person that helps her transform. I am thinking that Homura and Madoka may become one or we are being Shafted into believing the Homura is Madoka from the future.My working theory: Homura recovered Mami's soul gem, and Mami is sharing control of Homura's body. You can notice the transition between personalities quite clearly in this episode, more than the previous ones. |
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02-24-11, 10:22 PM
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My expression at the end of this ep was HOLY FREAKING CRAP, clearly the best episode so far....just wow. I want this on blu-ray so bad. best shaft series ever How to Watch Naruto Without Filler: http://bit.ly/LncQif How to Watch Bleach Without Filler (Complete): http://bit.ly/y0UQTO |
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02-24-11, 10:24 PM
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Omniknight said: That's from "The Dark Knight" movie :PGoing to quote a comment off Random Curiosity from Saburou: I think this entire episode can be summed up in two quotes For Sayaka and Mami: ” Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain.” Kyubey: ” Some men just want to watch the world burn” |
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02-24-11, 10:30 PM
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Holy shit this episode rocked my socks! It seems like whatshername is going to be that walpergiehst thingy. Anybody for Madoka tapping her 'soul power' on her own? ![]() |
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02-24-11, 10:34 PM
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belatkuro said: *rewatches episode 3* I think I know the fate of Mami's body. Check out 21:24 of episode 3, just when Homura blew up the witch who killed Mami(now we know how she did it). Something fell out of there and splattered in one of those tables which I believe is Mami's body. And then there's this when Homura was saying that Madoka and Sayaka avoided death. Isn't that Mami's Soul Gem? Just saying :) I can't see the first picture you linked, but I'm guessing you're referring to this? Before anyone says it, yes, I stole this off Yumekichi. So I'll do the thank you's now: Arigato~ As for the second picture, that could be a soul gem, though I always thought it was the grief seed left by the witch. I'm too lazy to go back and double check. Modified by desolato, 02-25-11, 3:40 PM |
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02-24-11, 10:35 PM
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This episode was revolutionary. Many speculations have now been confirmed. Also got to see Homura cry. ;_; So cute and yet depressing. How could Madoka just leave her alone! >:O |
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02-24-11, 10:36 PM
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Goddamn, show is so good. Needs to be licensed for US release with a Bluray ASAP. |
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02-24-11, 10:36 PM
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Yeah, just like I thought and maybe everyone else did. Kyubei is the real antagonist here and he has an ever bigger role in here. He is the one who transforms Mahou Shoujos into Witches. Tbh, I wasn't expecting for it to be like this. As a second note, I feel really sorry for Sayaka. Of course she'd feel betrayed by all those peoples...and, the next episode we might get to see (finally?) a Madoka Mahou Shoujo...I wonder though, why is Kyubei trying so hard to get Madoka to transform...what would her transformation into a Mahou Shoujo make him gain? I wonder if she is that Valpurgis Homura is talking about. (Oh, and abut her, that's one serious ability there) Can't wait for the next episode xD |
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02-24-11, 10:37 PM
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All that's left for me to say is...There was so much internet lag and video freezing when I tried to watch this sub episode....Then I tried to download it and it was too slow, then I just decided to wait about an hour or so to watch it.... Well this is the first time I"m keeping up with a currently airing show but damn looks like next week could be the same or worse. |
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02-24-11, 10:39 PM
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WOAH Intense episode! I was really hoping Kyubey would be at worst a Chaotic Neutral character but so much for that. And Sayaka...I really thought she would handle the situation better but hopefully Madoka can fix everything...OH SNAP! I guess those theories about her not becoming a magical girl till the end will end up true. I really like how this anime is different from other MG animes. I hope it doesn't pull an Angel Beats and tries to cram too much stuff into the last few episodes but the pacing seems to be good here. |
























