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| I love that the ending leaves some room for interpretation, as evidenced by this thread. I'd personally go with the theory that Mie killed herself because she saw that Gennosuke was still a 'puppet'. The flashbacks seem to indicate this. Then again, the other theories don't seem completely unlikely either. Of course this is somewhat unfair to Gennosuke, it's not like he had much of a choice. Who knows what would have happened to him if he refused the order. He didn't seem to enjoy it either. As for what happened to Gennosuke afterwards, my own little theory is that he became like a second Kogan. With nothing left that will keep his human side alive, only the loyalty to his deceased master remains and he will dedicate the remainder of his life to keeping the Kogan-swordstyle alive. Maybe open a small Dojo and have a couple of disciples of his own (fingerless spearguy?) The death of Mie will turn him apathetic, bitter and cruel, just like Kogan was. All in all, Shigurui was an enchanting read. I would have read the entire thing in a day if i had the time. The Toad/dickgirl thing is the only downside of the manga i can think of at the moment. It's an interesting side-story, but it really goes nowhere and serves no purpose whatsoever. |
| Here's my theory: When fujiki was ordered to 'desecrate' his opponent's corpse, and he did so even when he didn't want to, showed that fujiki will remain a mindless puppet to whoever's in charge at the time. Mie didn't want to spend the rest of her life with a puppet, and live by the harsh code that she hates so much. So she killed herself, realizing that nothing's gonna change anyway no matter who does what. |
| As for the frog man's story... Lol probably fanservice for some weird individuals. XD |
| Hmmm I'd also like to know what's with the people who complain about the 'pointless/excessive/mindless violence/blood/gore/porn...etc' That's how the story is. It was written/drawn for people who ENJOY that stuff. What? You think the pages will magically change into rainbows and unicorns if you complain enough times? Lol sorry I had to say that. But really now, every time I go to a board about shigurui, these people have to show up. Sigh... |
| ^ lol but yeah it was good story but the ending isn't satisfying . |
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| I just finished reading it and i think that the ending was tilted towards Seigen.. he was blinded but he took his revenge despite his disability by killing every member of the Kogan-ryuu. and his death was jusified because Gennosuke was training his best despite only having a single arm. Gennosuke had become so strong that he was able to over power Seigen in the end and slice through him as well as cutting through the blade. Gennosuke had lost the revenge match as well, so logically he had to win the final match. But its sad that Gennosuke was left alone, in the end it just shows us that he was alone in the beginning and alone in the ending too; while our Seigen was proficient eater of ass. I wish he had a chance to bust a nut with Mie before the match. Possible Epilogue: Gennosuke commits suicide or he becomes a rounin. |
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| Wow, such an unexpected ending. Still great, I would never thought that Mie would do that... Brutal story. |
| The ending really brought it all together for me. I tend to avoid super gory works like these because often times it's thrown in there for gore's sake and not because avoiding it would distract from the storytelling, but I overlooked it here because the progression of the characters was so interesting. The swordsman blinded by ambition was literally blinded, and the samurai whose hands were tied by the warrior's code literally had his arm taken from him. Also, Irako gradually becoming what he despised so he can undermine it was a nice thing to watch. As far as Mie, it's like it was mentioned before. She killed herself once she realized that Gennosuke would always be a puppet who wouldn't act or think for himself, and she couldn't bring herself to fulfill her vow of marrying someone like that. The whole dichotomy between Irako and Gennosuke was great to watch. Both of them came from similar backgrounds, but were completely opposite. Irako, despite being a murderous, treacherous, womanizer (all at the same time, no less) was charming and very sympathetic to the abandoned and shunned, and despised being used by anyone. Gennosuke on the other hand, was stoic, reserved, and had a high degree of integrity, too much in fact. The end did feel a little rushed, but there wasn't much else left to address aside from the frog man. Irako became complacent, and possibly lost some of his desire to kill Gennosuke after realizing their pasts were alike. Gennosuke kept sharpening his skills and seeking a way to combat Irako's techniques. It's no surprise it ended so switftly. The only thing that was really random in this story was miss futanari. That was...out of nowhere (literally). |
| I would have liked to see the other fight, the author introduced a several warriors like the Toadman & the blond dude with the reverse blade, also what happened to Chika? Did Tadanaga killed her? |
| Forever Berserk |
| Mie killed herself because she couldn't stand to watch Fujiki becoming a puppet once again, however, her decision was very selfish and not thought-out. There was just no way he could have said "No" to the Lord of Suroga (Fucking Shogun's brother!), the tanegashima troops would have shot him & his assistant (Mie) like dogs. The man just couldn't sign the death of his love, throw away the Kogan-ryu & the sacrifice of his sword brothers. In the end, he chose the life of his love over his pride as a swordsman, but all she saw was a man becoming once again a puppet and submitting to a Lord. He was indeed a puppet, but this time, Mie was unknowingly his master, and his love for her was the strings. |
TBSMMay 17, 2018 9:40 PM
| Forever Berserk |
| Source BlackRainbow tumblr: https://blackrainbowblade.tumblr.com/post/98540638265/shigurui-ending-explained-many-spoilers |
| Came to the manga after watching the anime and I think the anime made an awesome cut. Sure it looks like the author was kinda lost after the revenge duel, and the frog guy and dick girl felt way out of place, as several characters, in the same way Fujiki and Mie's motivations and personalities were shifting and changing with no consistency. I know the anime came out before the manga was complete, and although being good as it is, it could have used one special to tell the conclusion which was also spectacular. I could not find anything about it in english, but apparently it's true that the tournament existed and it was recorded a fight between a blind and a one-handed samurai, the fight being a lame one where the one-handed guy couldn't hold his world and the blind couldn't aim for the target, and the author created this whole story to show that that battle that really took place wasn't lame at all, but extremelly skillful, and I'm glad it was a short fight because we already had a huge one full of twists in the revenge duel, repeating it would be pointless and tiresome, being it a real fight that existed and looked so dull was the cherry on the cake - meaning that only the ones who knew the story would know how awesome that last fight trully was. And if the anime had an special to show the conclusion, jumping all the shit from Kogan's death till then, Mie's motivation would feel way better, as she only started to recover when Irako showed up again and started killing the disciples and she did trick Fujiki before the fight. btw: Shigurui official translation should be Tits and Bowels. |
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| Absolutely breathtaking first half , rather pointless 2nd half and a rather good ending. I kinda felt as if the series got axed - all characters introduced in 2nd half of the manga ended up having 0 impact on story.. you could easily remove them and start the tournament nearly exactly after the revenge duel, only keeping the few chapters about Fujiki and Mie.. While ending was great - it was also not flawless, but I loved the way you could interpret it how you want - so that was fine by me. Overall 9/10 - could easily be a masterpiece but went slightly downhill as it progressed. |
| Before I start to talk about the last chapter, I suppose it'd be fair to just let this out. The side characters that were introduced in the middle of the story like Chika, Gannosuke, and Sasahara were very interesting ones and it was a shame to see that they ended up being nothing more than pebbles on the side of the road in regards to the primary storyline. It might've been a better move to extend the story by a couple of chapters to conclude the already established side character arcs before having Irako vs Fujiki as the main event. Mie killing herself in the very end was just unfair for Fujiki... Even the one-armed samurai showed utter disgust at the insults they threw at a dead man who was no longer able to defend himself and being forced to chop off Irako's head must have felt like one of the most heinous acts that he had committed. The image of her bethrothed holding her down flashing before her eyes as he did the did was the straw that broke the camel's back which was what's left of her fragile sanity but that begs the question; What else could he have done in the face of someone who was as vile and cruel as Dainagon Tadanaga? No matter what he does, the only two outcomes would either be him losing his life or him losing everything and that's tragic as fuck. This was a spectacular manga. I did not expect to be as hooked as I was to this especially considering the mixed feelings I had towards the anime and its execution the first time I watched it. |
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| One of the best endings I've seen in a manga. First, the fight: I love that it was short and there wasn't 10+ chapters of them clashing it out. Irako had developed a technique specifically for the Kogan school which proved wildly successful, and Fujiki developed a strategy to take him out just as quickly. It was realistic. While Irako lost, Fujiki lost too. This wasn't a sweet victory at all. He was a puppet whose victory rang hollow once he realized that the Lord wanted more amusement and ordered him to do something which made him feel ill. He was trembling, vomiting, and bleeding from his nose (which we've seen him do when he is vehemently opposed to doing something at the behest of his superiors). The only thing to look forward to was Mie, and that too was taking away from him. Not by an assassin or anything, but by her own hands...geez. Now to the Mie speculations/theories. I don't think she was in love with Irako. As someone mentioned: she was crying, what seems to be, tears of joy when he died and her "evil spirit" vanished as a result of his death. What I think happened (based on the panels/flashbacks we're shown) is that the ugly sight of Fujiki reminded her of what she hates the most: a puppet doing what he's told no matter how opposed to it he is. The evidence for this is the panel that was shown of Fujiki holding her down at the command of his master so that she would be raped. The next panel showed the sea shell, that represented her purity, being stained with blood. She didn't lose her will to live because she got revenge, she lost the will to live because the only thing to look forward to is marrying someone whose essence represented everything she hated. And remember, she was willing to kill herself before for this exact reason. Now on to her vision of seeing Fujiki's face cut in half. I simply think this is telling us that he didn't commit suicide, but ultimately accepted the job and died in battle sometime in the future. A servant until the end. |
Horrorreader91Mar 14, 2020 10:58 AM
| I hated the anime before, and the manga didn't change my mind whatsoever (infact its even worse with the 2nd half). This entire story just never clicked with me whatsoever, from the start till the end, and I didn't like the art that much too. Disappointed. |
| I was really confused about why Mei committed suicide until I read the replies on this forum. Anyway, the final battle was just disappointing. I wasn't expecting the same intensity as the first revenge battle but I do wish the fight had gone on for a bit longer. I thought I was pretty used to violence and gore but this manga showed me that I probably haven't even seen 1% of how depraved and gory some pieces of media can get. I'm giving this a 7/10. It was pretty good until the first revenge battle but gets waaaayyyy too sidetracked and then it felt rushed when it ended. |
| Entertaining manga , there was some needless filler , but great ending. That was absolutely brutal for Gennosuke , he lost everything. |
| They really hit us with the Yu Yu Hakusho rushed ass tournament ending 1st half of the series was really good, then the story starts falling off after Iraku kills Kogan. I think if the tournament arc started right there instead of the revenge duel and all the bullshit that came after it and we got 40+ chapters all focused on the tournament and seeing all the fights, this could’ve been great. the whole 2nd half was just Fujiki & Mie acting like some fuckin dweebs and the author deciding to give us a headache with all this info dump and introducing us to a 100 random ass side characters and their long ass names that nobody can remember and their backstories and none of that shit mattered at all in the end fuck was the point. i wanted to see toadman vs dick girl smh why tf would you show me something if I couldn’t have it then |
| Floyd Mayweather English Tutor |
| I really wanted more on the frog guy and the girl with super-strength... I was enjoying that side story until it ended abruptly though the manga was really brutal, there's really no happy ending for anyone... hell, no happy anything just the crushing feeling of hopelessness which was refreshing. I like how everyone seems to have their own theories on why Mie killed herself and I'm definitely on team 'she killed herself because she won't marry a puppet' because that makes the most sense from what we've seen throughout the manga. |
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Baranka02 said: Just finished this manga myself imo Shigurui isnt close to Berserk but I enjoyed both. Berserk has essentially all the fixtures of an epic quest story, characters, plot, history etc etc. Most of Shigurui's characters in comparison seem shallow, like Mie says, theyre just puppets. The negatives of Bushido are under a spotlight and there are no checks no other competing philosophy even though Seigen is the villain all of his actions are to be expected. That may be intentional but there isn't even a journey, the whole series takes place in only a handful of locations, most characters go to their death quietly. However, I've always liked things like this, a slightly enhanced reality in a quasi-realistic, historic setting, and time but its no epic.It's a shame Mie killed herself, seeing her and Fujiki's cute innocent interactions made me really root for them to get marry and be happy. But it is what it is, I'm glad Fujiki survived tho. I actually liked fillers like the toad guy and super strong girl and I wish we could get a "a few years later" chapter to see how all they've been doing. I think Shigurui dethroned Berserk as my favorite manga and I'm sure I'm gonna go back to it some time. Maybe I'll try to translate it to my language someday. Looks like there is a lot of optimists in this thread. I am more under the impression that all the samurai gathered before the lord that day are dead, that the spear guy, Fujiki, Irako, and one unknown (if it was narrowed down to semi finalists) were the survivors that is why they ran home muddy (bloody). The Spear guy at that point completely throws out the grudge from his pupil and helps Fujiki more but hopefully I'm wrong. There are other times in this series when things were glossed over. |
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