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Well we really have a big clue as to what the witches probably are, they are probably the magical girls who fail to catch enough grief seed and have thier soul fully corrupted by the magic they use. (you can tell this because soul gems and grief seeds look almost the same) considering how potent Madoka would be as magical girl/ Witch it makes sense that someone from the future would want to stop her genesis.

interesting ep Sayaka almost died because Madoka made a epic fail misstake....

Good episode since it finally explained Kyuubey is not evil, he's just alien. He does not have human emotions, nor does he understand human emotions. Hence the lack of empathy up until this point.

The contract now has more weight, about how much the contract actual costs and what fine prints are there. Clearly most of the mahou shoujo's don't know what they got themselves into. The underlying tone is more and more like FMA now, except the soul weights infinitely more and what wish can be worth the same as a human soul exchanged?

One mystery is how much Mami knew or didn't know.

Predicting Sayaka to be her unreasonable self and retaining hostility towards Homura (or Homura prevents Madoka/Kyouko from telling Sayaka what happened), Homura is really shaping up as the exact opposite of what she preaches, she meddles too much.

Wow, I hate Kyubey but I hate Madoka more I want to strangle her to death. Even without knowing what the Soul Gem was, she shouldn't have thrown it down there.

And I loled at the part when Sakura said "You just turned us into zombies!" XD They should've read the Terms of Service before clicking the I Agree button lololol just kidding. Kyubey is such an a$$.

Madoka has big potential?? I wonder what makes her so special =.=z"

That episode preview with Mami's voice (?) makes me think of the "Mami wished to not die and is thus near immortal" theory.

And Madoka pisses me off. Yay for Sakura and Homura though.

Didn't Mami already say that the soul gem is a Mahou Shojo's life? And also that a mahou shojo must never allow themselves to be separated from it. I mean the specifics of the mechanics was welcome information, but it didn't exactly come out of left field.

Even if it hadn't killed her that way, it would almost certainly have resulted in Sayaka's death. I mean really. Leaving Sayaka powerless in front of two enemies of overwhelming power, at least one of which is willing to kill and not to picky about the whole honor thing? Not a good idea if we want her to survive this experience. Really the only thing that saved anyone is that Kyouko was too distracted by this revelation to finish the job.

Loving how Madoka's turning out. She is destabilizing fast. I know I've said that when she becomes a mahou shojo it's gonna be because she's snapped and it won't be pretty, but... yeah. Not gonna be pretty.

Developing a huge crush on Kyouko^^

Watched it with subs now. And aside from QB showing his true unethical self, I noticed he picked up a new tactic: warning Madoka for Homura.
I think he realises now who Homura is and will try to persuade her Homura is the bad guy. As for QB being evil or not, I think it would be more interesting if what he's doing is actually for the greater good.

My main question now is: Homura having so much knowledge on the workings of the MG world, why doesn't she use it to prevent Madoka from forming a contract?

Yep, I'm with you on that. I expected it to happen sooner (ep 4), but the guy moving out of the hospital without letting her know are the first signs.

You're forgetting Mami. Her soulgem had turned a lot darker after killing that witch.
Sayaka had a Grief seed, which means she has killed a witch offline.

I won't be pleased untill Kyubei is stomped to death, followed up by getting chomped down by Charlottes reincarnation.

Things learnt this episode: Mahou Shoujos HAVE to be withing 100 meters of their soul gems because that literally is their soul and would die without it. I thought so!!! In the scene Kyubey turned sayaka in to a mahou shoujo it looked like her soul was getting ripped out and turned into the soul gem. We also learned that their bodies are "Shell like" now that their soul is in the gem. Hmmm we also learned that a dangerous night where a really hard to defeat or alot of witches will come in 2 weeks... I believe that that night will be the very first scene we saw in the show.

Now onto the episode I found it really nice to find out that much information about mahou shoujos... The moment Madoka threw the gem off the railing I thought "thats a bad idea something reallly shitty is going to happen now" and I was right. Sayaka died... but came back!!! I actually wouldn't of minded if she died like that... anyway i was surprised Sakura didnt know all that stuff about Mahou Shoujos... I wonder how much Homura knows???

Animation wise the scene madoka was talking to her mum was really nice!!! When it showed the ice in the juice/alcohol it looked almost real!!! The only thing that really bugs me in this show is the eyes and face... Sometimes the eyes look weird and the face to fat... But usually the eyes are nice ans crisp and the face doesn't look all fatty.

Last thing to all the people that think Mami might be alive still I think not because what Homura took after killing Charlotte was her grief seed I think. After Charlotte is beaten we also see this:



That looks like Mamis soul gem all beaten up so therefore to the new knowledge we learned this episode I classify her as dead~

There's a lot of theories behind what exactly causes the Soul Gem to become tainted, but we know that after a Grief Seed absorbs too much taint from a Soul Gem, the witch can be revived. Since Witches are born from curses, negative emotions etc. we can assume the use of magic may in fact be a curse on the soul. If we also go by the negative emotions as being part of the taint, the way Mami fights, especially during episode 2, she remains rather cool, calm and collected which may also tie into her talents for being able to fight without using Grief Seeds. The same could be said for Homura, whose policy as a Puella Magi is to keep those negative emotions in check as to keep herself alive.

The grief seed was picked up offscreen but given there wasn't much of a timeskip I'd assume the Grief Seed was from the witch in episode 5 or Elly's.

MORNING RESCUE!
I'd actually like Madoka to turn Mahou Shoujo in like the last episode just for the lulz.

Just wow. this shit is getting real and real after every episode. so kyube transferred their soul to gem. their functioning body is just hardware. kyoko you should have killed kyube. also i don't know why humora is not trying to kill him again.

so homura is probably from future. i would like her to kick kyoko in the beginning but things turned out quite against. she gave city to kyoko. i can't wait for next episode, i don't know when madoka will make her mind to make a contract. how reckless madoka can get by throwing gem. even if sayaka had not died, kyoko was going to beat the crap out of her. homura-chan saved her twice. <3

I don't get the hate on kyubei. We may not fully understand his motives and he is misleading the girls partially but it's pretty obvious that when you make a contract you are signing your life away. Plus the soul being in the soul gem seems like a logically sound idea to me, why would they care that it is no longer in their body.

I watched this back to back RAW and subbed to see exactly what is going on both comprehension and observing. I concluded that this anime is a completely purple haze from mentioning Leech by the following comment in the spoiler to mentioning more about the removing the taint from the Soul Gem. So why is that? I think it goes back to the cycle, you get tainted too much and your life is either over or you become a witch since Kyuubei does mention that if the Grief seed does get too dark the witch will revive so if the Soul Gem gets to dark you are most likely dead and become something else.

So this is no different than throwing away your life for a wish and on top of that it has a condition that does not let you use infinite magic unless you stock pile on Grief Seeds. The mention of Walpurgisnacht does insight a major boss coming to gather with its witches and if take what witchcraft isthen it can be as simple as Magical Girls being witches fighting dark witches with a dark eerie atmosphere. I am not sure about 2 factions yet this episode made me think to put things in doubt because both good and evil factions can use this power whatever they may be. Also agree Kyuubei is amoral probably because he is programmed as something to execute the transformation or is just using Magical Girls to gather more power for himself through the Grief seed consuming part.Two outstanding things, for one those fangs! Because they are so cute

and a freaky Sayaka in the spoiler but that was just the first time after it kind of became flat. Wonder about if Homura wants to get rid of Sayaka because she is giving the town to Kyoko. I think there is a lot of things I want to say about each character but that’s in the spoiler because of TL; dr

About preview of next episode, I think it could be a emotional reflection of Madoka and it would interesting to see instead of her complaining and worrying to see a serious side of her thoughts. This episode’s art work in spoiler I also have one response to Kyuubei “It’s not we don’t care about where our souls are, it’s we don’t want to be trapped in a gem for a wish!” I could would very well prefer to be like my avatar, a esper have powers and a soul with my body and not in something! >:/

Well... I don't really mind if Madoka never actually becomes a mahou shoujo, but seriously, that attitude of hers annoys me. >_>
But except for Madoka, everything else about this is great.
And what's with all the hate for poor Kyubey? I'm sure he's got his reasons. Might be evil reasons, but who cares, right?
"I think Kyubey is a pretty cool guy, eh makes people's souls into gems and doesnt afraid of anything."

Agrees with Oosran, Madoka is horribly annoying but the rest of the series is 9/10 stuff.

Hmm I don't quite recall her ever saying the soul gem itself was the source of the magical girls life. She emphasized it was important, but I rewatched ep two and she never said it was the source of their life. She just said that in general being a magical girl was a contract of your life, not the soul gem was. She mainly saying more abstract that they should really think carefully what they want and what they want to risk their lives for. Then we see her die and we know that they are bound by this wish forever for real. It's easy to forget the soul gem and see it more simply as the object used to transform without really thinking about what it is. It never gets explored too much what the object used for transformation is, it just is with usually some simple explanation attached it's where the magical power comes from.

Also I have gotten really absorbed into the show, so I am probably looking at it really biased. Even last week I said that it seems it is literally their soul I don't think it even crossed my mind that is their soul so what happens to them if something happens to it? It seems simple though I think I was also expecting Kyuub to have some influence over it and it would be used more as just the basic tool used for transformation. But it's not. It's literally the girl, they have been ripped out of their bodies and put into a small gem one that is probably even easier to break than their original bodies. It's really twisted when you think about it.

But is anything shown so far really that far out in the left field? Even Mami's death? She got warned by Homura. She had the grand speech about her life and how she was not afraid anymore now. She was the mentor figure. Then she died. If you look at it like that both of these aren't big revelations. Yet even I am still finding myself surprised by both these. Like I said I think I am just getting easily absorbed into this show. But hey, it's been a long time so I don't mind. You can feel free to ignore me going off.

Anyways... I couple things that crossed my mind.
I think now we might (still wasn't 100% confirmed) know that when the soul gem goes out you will also die, considering if it breaks you will die. That's why it would also be important to keep it clean using the grief seeds.

Put my thoughts about Madoka in spoiler.


About Homura...not sure about anything related to the time traveling thing as much anymore. I mean if she did wouldn't she have saw this all coming all ready, wouldn't she be trying harder to prevent stuff like say Mami's death? Wouldn't she have not broke her cold face for once and given that completely shocked look on her face when Madoka actually threw that into the street? Something I was wondering, if they don't need their body is it possible they don't age? (Or Possibly they can switch bodies or something?) Maybe Homura is some really old magical girl? I really don't know. Also even though she knew about this big event of all witches night, Kyouko seemed to know too. I honestly am about to stop speculating I find myself being wrong more than right XD;;

Edit;; I edited this thing waaaaaaay too much I shouldn't try this when i am sleepy =w=;;

You forgot the mother's advice also was a motivator in all this. I think the influence was the primary suspect.
Maybe and maybe not. We still cannot be sure but I am willing to go on your side with that one. Don't trust the fur-ball at all.
Indeed I am also going with this. We clearly seen in the beginning that the it's a larger Witch and it looks not to be in its own dimension but going into the reality of the world where Madoka lives.I think she was given power and someone sent her. It's too powerful of a power for any entity to entrust to just a subordinate like Homura hence comes 2 factions theory.Agree on both but maybe Madoka will reflect better next episode and there will be less of her whining.

She may be but I think they are really showing off of the emotional state and how it can result in a future stronger Soul Gem. When it happens and looking back at how Madoka is look in this episode, I think it might prove something. Her whining is getting annoying though.

Can someone tell me how throwing away Sayaka's Soul Gem was not a good thing (you know, before the reveal that it was their life). I mean, it makes sense. She just had a conversation with her mom about doing things to help your friends and make mistakes even if they'll hate you for it, and it's not like she knew that throwing it away would lead to her death. In her mind, it was probably just throwing away the annoying source of power that was messing up Sayaka's life.

Plus she already threw a bucket. Probably was trying to go two-for-two there.