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Liberal said: Just finished it. Reinhard and Oberstein will live on in my heart. Respect. Alas86 said: I suppose the shadow can't survive when the light is gone... tehnominator said: I've never seen an anime pay so much attention to detail with its storyline. It was amazing anime. An amazing experience, more like. Echelon said: Greatest series ever. Luck said: my will to watch more shows is gone This. The universe is so lonely now, but what a hopeful beginning for the rest of history. I somehow couldn't shed any tears in the end, yet LOGH moved me more than any story before, even the ones that did make me cry. |
 Dogs eat dog food. (...except my dog) - P. v. Oberstein |
| After deciding to keep stalling watch this series since last year, I'm glad I had the opportunity to complete it before school starts. Every time I finish one episode, I couldn't help, but engulfed the rest of the series in just a week. Now I know the reason why it deserves such a high rank in this site. Although I wasn't familiar with political affairs and such, I was able to sympathize to the other characters even if they have different ideals including Admiral Bucock or Cornelius Lutz. And I just love Julian's tenacity when he confronted the Terraists. (If I was him, I would probably use my bare hands to pummel the guy's head though.) kilmindaro said: I liked it when Felix tried to grasp the stars in his hands, and Mittermeyer said with a smile something like "you too?". I love this last scene. I feel miserable though that Reuenthal wasn't able to cherish the happiness with them. Oh well...I guess Felix and Alexander would become friends and do majestic goals like Reinhard did. |
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| the greatest anime forever .. its painful when reinhard said that he have more dreams .. and I like how he ask flix to be friend with alec .. the ending was great , its make me think how the future will be for alic and flex .. I want to rewatch it many time :D Burek said: I was so sure that Oberstiein was with the Terrarists. -_- yes I have this thought too :( |
Psajdak said: To be honest, Reinhard's death wasn't so shocking like Yang's. In fact, we all expected it. That's right, Reinhard's death was more your classical death at the end of a series. Nevertheless his disease is really mysterious, is it really an illness ? Even is was something we expected there are many unanswered questions about Reinhard's death. |
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Moya said: Space Aids.Nevertheless his disease is really mysterious, is it really an illness ? Even is was something we expected there are many unanswered questions about Reinhard's death. |
Psajdak said: To be honest, Reinhard's death wasn't so shocking like Yang's. In fact, we all expected it. that is right , and i didn't cry as when yang,ruental,Schenkop and even lutz dead and it was shocking :( Psajdak said: In any case, I'm glad that boring cartoon's over. nice joke XXD |
| Parts of the show made me think Reinhard digested some type of slow poison. There was closeups of the tea he drinks and also another part where the narrator made a comment about him drinking only two spoonfuls of the soup instead of more. |
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ruusakraj said: Oh dear.Parts of the show made me think Reinhard digested some type of slow poison. There was closeups of the tea he drinks and also another part where the narrator made a comment about him drinking only two spoonfuls of the soup instead of more. Good find. But who could it have been? The Terraists did make that rush for him in the end, which they probably wouldn't if they knew he was dying of poison. Baldie also went out in a last ditch effort, so it couldn't have been him either, and Oberstein did sacrifice himself to save him, so unless he is Tzeentch incarnate, there shouldn't be any reason for him to have done it. Besides, if it was indeed some sort of poison, then it must have been some seriously hardcore secret mic or newly developed toxin, so I'd suppose it would have to have been deployed by a rather affluent faction. Some of the remnants of the old dynasty or private actors or corporations within the FPA? I suppose we'll never know. |
| If it was slow poison, I sort of think the person who poisoned him is Emil. He was introduced in the same episode (episode 49) that Reinhard first got a fever in. I think in that episode it was a regular fever and Emil poisoned him later on. Slow poison seems to have the same type of symptoms and people probably wouldn't guess it was poison after the first time Reinhard got sick. It just seemed similar to a mystery show I watched. Emil has the best chance to put poison in his food/drinks. He might not be what everyone thinks he is. He did give a weird look to Yang in one of the episodes which made me think what that look was all about. He just seemed the most suspicious in this scenario. |
ruusakrajSep 6, 2009 4:27 PM
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| Greatest series ever. That was such a brilliant ending. Oberstein's and Reinhard's deaths made me shed manly tears. This is one show I will never forget. "The legend ends, and history begins" The best final lines of an anime ever. |
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ruusakraj said: Golly. I'll have to look out for this when I rewatch it.Emil has the best chance to put poison in his food/drinks. He might not be what everyone thinks he is. He did give a weird look to Yang in one of the episodes which made me think what that look was all about. He just seemed the most suspicious in this scenario. |
ruusakraj said: Emil has the best chance to put poison in his food/drinks. He might not be what everyone thinks he is. He did give a weird look to Yang in one of the episodes which made me think what that look was all about. He just seemed the most suspicious in this scenario. I remember that. I though that scene was weird." Why give this emphatic shot of Emil in this particular moment?" I though. |
| Eo tempore, cum tibi occuri, Mihi vita laeta fuit, Cum autem te nusquam conspexi, Eo tempore mortem cognovi |
| Although too many things happened in the last few episodes, they succeeded at creating a conclusive ending that left me satisfied. Oberstein's death just confirmed that he was actually working for the good and survival of humanity, even if it means using underhanded methods.... The fact that Josef Erwin is still alive is actually some good material for future sequels (not that I want any) Anyhow, I cannot find ANY reasons not to rate this series 10. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| This thread makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| I'm just speechless at the moment, just beyond comprehension, the greatest opera I've seen in my life so far, I just can't find a sentence to describe what I wanna really say (I wonder if there is anyway), Amazingly Epic? Ridiculously Awesome? Or maybe an Extraordinary Masterpiece? Besides my extremely melancholy at the moment, I giggled a bit when Mittermeyer tried to separate Felix from Alec while they were both holding hands, very realistic given the situation they were in. And I must say, I loved the meaning of such situation. Gale_Wolf said: I found myself crying after I saw this."The legend ends, and history begins" |
| I was very moved by this show. The top of my thoughts after finishing it is "all things must come to an end". We got the chance to witness the rise and fall (deaths) of two splendid characters and the rise of a galactic empire. Now I feel empty. This show gave us 100% in every episode until the story concluded, the legend ended and history begun. I will cherish this moment as Legend of the Galactic Heroes is probably the best anime I have seen and I have a hard time seeing any other show top it. |
| I have a huge amount of respect for the writers on this one, because they did a great job capturing an intriguing world and the show didn't falter even once over the course of it's 110 episodes. I don't know if it was my favorite anime of all time but I certainly agree that it was remarkably well done and might warrant my number one ranking the same way Citizen Kane has become my favorite movie, as recognition of the genius that went into making this. |
newt216Oct 17, 2009 1:09 AM
| /salutes one of the greatest anime ever created. It deserves the number one spot. It never got boring. It never was overly cheesy. It was never simple (good vs. evil) like Code Geass or any other formulaic anime out there. 10/10 for a masterpiece that has been timeless more than 20 years on since it started. |
ruusakraj said: Parts of the show made me think Reinhard digested some type of slow poison. There was closeups of the tea he drinks and also another part where the narrator made a comment about him drinking only two spoonfuls of the soup instead of more. No he said he didn't want to eat it anyways and the only reason he had two spoon fulls and not three was because someone came in and started talking to him. Anyways this is by far the BEST anime i have seen. Absolutely amazing, had the best cast of characters, amazing dialogue, so much attention to detail, no corners were cut at the end and outside of Reinhards disease i feel everything was answered. I doubt i will find any anime as good as this for awhile. Now i shall go cry in the corner as for the last 5 hours i have seen some of my favorite characters die :'( |
burntlettuceNov 4, 2009 7:36 AM
| I got say that the last half of this series featured some of the most beautiful and tragic moments I've ever seen in anime. I can't say it's the best anime ever made, but it's definitely one of the best I've seen and it fully deserves a 10. There's so much stuff I'll never forget about this series, so many great moments. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| My housemates must think I'm crazy because I had to stand up and applaud after that ending, I'm so glad that I got to meet the director of this. I'm sorry, but I need to quote the reaction that The Simpson's Comic Book Guy had to the completion of this series,"Best.Anime.Ever." This series had so many characters that I thought that I would have a hard time keeping track of them all, but seriously, most of them were some of the best characters that I've ever seen in anime. Even Job Truniht, despite being the shameless bastard that he was, served a unique purpose in flushing out the story. One character that I feel took me too long to apritiate was Bittenfeld, that guy was awesome but I didn't really realize how awesome until he said something along the lines of,"If you're going to praise someone you do it loudly, if you're going to degrade someone you do it even louder." Whether it was that Reinhard was poisoned or had simply developed the disease naturally, and Josef Erwin's true fate, I believe were intentionally left up to interpretation. The series placed heavy emphasis on the way that history is recorded and there are many mysteries within our own history. How did Rasputin die only from drowning after being poisoned and shot? Was the JFK assassination really a conspiracy? What really happened to Jimmy Hoffa? These are all things that history will probably never know. A lot of people say that this show take awhile to get good, I used to agree but now I don't really think so. This is a show that deals a lot with politics which not a lot of other series do. I think it simply takes awhile to get into the mindset required to gain apritiation for the content of the series, if you are not already familiar with politics and military tactics. What originally kept me away from this show was the length, but honestly it could've been longer and I wouldn't have cared. This is something I can tell I will watch several times before I die. Easily this is a 10/10. Now time for the prequels. |
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| Just finished watching it after long weeks of absolute engrossment. It made me cry. It made me laugh. It made me reflect on the society I live in, the politics that I support and why I support them. I don't know of any other series that can do that. Wonderful stuff. Impossible to do something like this today. Problem is, what can I watch now?? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Marzan said: Problem is, what can I watch now?? Crest of the Stars (not that great). If you like comedy and want to see students become involved with a yakuza like teacher, then go watch Great Teacher Onizuka. It gives a microcosmic view of high school students compared to the grand scale of LotGH. |
arimakenshin said: Marzan said: Problem is, what can I watch now?? Crest of the Stars (not that great). If you like comedy and want to see students become involved with a yakuza like teacher, then go watch Great Teacher Onizuka. It gives a microcosmic view of high school students compared to the grand scale of LotGH. Seikai series wasn't supposed to be grand epic scale story. It was supposed to be Romantical relationship in space. Watch any "Good" old classic anime. MS Gundam 0079, Hokuto no Ken, Macross, Rose of Versailles, Space captain Harlock, anything. You will find more and more awesome stories in them Though if you want more recent anime, Monster might fit the shoes |
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| Gundam 0079 and Zeta Gundam are good series and deserve to be seen moreover there are many interesting spin off like 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket or Igloo which deepen the story. Even though the characters and the story are not as great and deep as Logh's, Gundam offers a really broad and detailled picture of the war between Zeon and the Earth Federation. Terra E is an other good space opera with great good characters. Finally you can watch the prequels of LoGH. ;) |
MoyaNov 11, 2009 3:34 AM
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| "the legend ends, History begins" an awesome end to an awesome anime I really don't know what to say...I'm speechless I'm really glad that I got to watch this & it defiantly deserves the top rank here but I'm kinda sure that I will not see an anime as epic as this one.. 10+ |
| 9/10. Its one of the best space opera's that i have ever seen. Lots of memorable political moments and deaths. What a journey indeed. |
| The truth comes out! (STFU, it had to be done. Wherever needed, I will personally take responsibility for being the lamest of dorks and killing the mood.) I loved that scene in the end. Felix's taking after Reuental already. Is it weird that I want a bonus episode just to watch Mittermeyer battling floods with faithful wife and child at his side as he races death to the Kaiser? It irks me that they didn't just make Hilda Empress-as per the credit Reinhard gave her and what she's done already, you just KNOW she's going to be the best governor the universe has ever seen. And with the awesome of Mittermeyer, the unexpected awesome of Annerose, and the. . .I-guess-not-hate-able presence of Julian, the universe can't be that lonely. I'm grateful just for Poplan and Attenborough surviving to bicker another day. And I ALSO totally thought that Reinhard was being slowly poisoned! Except when they randomly brought in Marika, I thought they'd save the attempted-Kircheis-clone's innocence by having her be some Terraist bitch. Then they made her Kesler's girlfriend, and the mysterious illness subplot lost me. Some of the loose ends were fitting, others could have been dealt with much more eloquently. Until I find another cool series, I'll just have to suffice my daily awesome with fantasies of Schumaher and Poplan as comrades of space piracy, someday arriving in the Leiji-verse. . . |
| Seriously, just dont bother watching anything else after this, except for some sporadic Ghibli, Production I.G or Studio 4C stuff. I've dropped so many modern shows since watching LotGH, because nothing else compares. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Personally I value even more about tastes after finised watching this. Nowadays I'm more about re-watching old stuff(Leijiverse, Macross franchise, Gundam stuff before 2000, Hokuto no Ken, Versailles, etc). That's not to say new stuff isn't interesting though. All of them still have some qualities in it. Seriously if you compare LoGH to any anime, you might stop watching anime and watch Babylon 5 instead. |
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| 110 episodes ...always stayed compelling....with military actions that has alot of social/moral questions one not necessarily more just than the other....never got too preachy....great characters ....what a powerful series ...LOTGH is definitely a 10/10 ahead of its time |
Beatnik said: Seriously, just dont bother watching anything else after this, except for some sporadic Ghibli, Production I.G or Studio 4C stuff. I've dropped so many modern shows since watching LotGH, because nothing else compares. You know, I just haven't had this problem yet. I don't even know why people try to compare this show with anything else, there is nothing else like it. Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean it is better than any other anime I've seen. In fact, watching this anime doesn't make any other 10, 9, or even 8 I've seen any worse. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: You know, I just haven't had this problem yet. I don't even know why people try to compare this show with anything else, there is nothing else like it. Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean it is better than any other anime I've seen. In fact, watching this anime doesn't make any other 10, 9, or even 8 I've seen any worse. You cant not compare, it's the nature of being human to contrast and compare everything in life, whether you're aware of it or not you are comparing things all the time. The fact is, when I watch an anime, it is automatically compared to every other anime I've ever seen, and so far everything is falling short of LotGH. Obviously I'm not going to compare LotGH with Azumanga Daioh genre-wise, but even in simple storytelling terms I havent seen anything remotely on the level of LotGH since watching it. Life is too short to spend hours and hours watching mediocre shows, so I should thank LotGH for raising the bar so high that I wont waste hours of my life on drek. Because my expectations of what to expect from a story, in the anime medium, has been strengthened thanks to this show. It's not like there arent going to be shows on the level of LotGH or better, but LotGH has become a good filter for me, saving me a lot of time. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
Beatnik said: Life is too short to spend hours and hours watching mediocre shows, so I should thank LotGH for raising the bar so high that I wont waste hours of my life on drek. Because my expectations of what to expect from a story, in the anime medium, has been strengthened thanks to this show. It's not like there arent going to be shows on the level of LotGH or better, but LotGH has become a good filter for me, saving me a lot of time. Preach it, brother. Preach it The legend ends, and true enlightenment begins. |
| Dogs eat dog food. (...except my dog) - P. v. Oberstein |
| I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Anime dream. I have a dream that one day anime will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all anime OVAs are created equal." I have a dream that one day in the red light districts of Akihabara the sons of former otaku and the sons of former otaku's parents will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the forums of Code Geass R2, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my top four favourites anime will one day live in a website where they will not be judged by the color of their animation but by the content of their story. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the forums of MAL, whose mods' lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every forum shall be exalted, every shonen and hentai shall be made low, the rough manga scanalations will be made plain, and the crooked subs will be made straight, and the glory of the Legend of the Galactic Heroes shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Do you not think that your choice of rhetoric to imitate is possibly a tad ironic in view of the presentation of Louis Mashengo, Beatnik? Yang's infamous "What is that?" moments and the fact that Louis' relationship with Julian is not very far from master and slave makes your choice of Martin Luther King's speech a rather curious one! |
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| Not spoilers but brief off-topic about later parts of the show: |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Did Citizen Kane make Monty Python's The Holy Grail a bad movie? I say not. Did Russell make Nietzsche a bad philosopher? I say not. Did Faulkner make Nabokov a bad writer? I say not. Did Witches make Confession worse? By no means. For they cannot be compared completely; they are too different. LoGH is of a particular kind alone - it excels at a very specific type of story. It is not abstract, so comparing it with more abstract art is not fruitful. It is not a comedy, so comparing it with comedies miss the salient points of either. (Though if LoGH is funnier than a comedy, then we would be wise to eschew it.) LoGH is of a particular kind; and while triumping in sheer craftsmanship over most anime and certainly most normal TV series for that matter, there are entirely different things to enjoy and find good or bad which LoGH is irrelevant to, for it never ever touches upon it. LoGH could never be good or bad at what it never tried to do. Theefore even a mediocre attempt at something LoGH did not try its perfect, very sexy, and strong hands at, would be worth some time, perhaps. LoGH could only possibly have spoiled anime if anime at large was the same kind of story as LoGH was, and, however sad or joyous this may be, it is not the case. tl;dr LoGH only ruined space opera. But boy did it do a good job ruining it. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Did Citizen Kane make Monty Python's The Holy Grail a bad movie? I say not. Did Russell make Nietzsche a bad philosopher? I say not. Did Faulkner make Nabokov a bad writer? I say not. Did Witches make Confession worse? By no means. For they cannot be compared completely; they are too different. LoGH is of a particular kind alone - it excels at a very specific type of story. It is not abstract, so comparing it with more abstract art is not fruitful. It is not a comedy, so comparing it with comedies miss the salient points of either. (Though if LoGH is funnier than a comedy, then we would be wise to eschew it.) LoGH is of a particular kind; and while triumping in sheer craftsmanship over most anime and certainly most normal TV series for that matter, there are entirely different things to enjoy and find good or bad which LoGH is irrelevant to, for it never ever touches upon it. LoGH could never be good or bad at what it never tried to do. Theefore even a mediocre attempt at something LoGH did not try its perfect, very sexy, and strong hands at, would be worth some time, perhaps. LoGH could only possibly have spoiled anime if anime at large was the same kind of story as LoGH was, and, however sad or joyous this may be, it is not the case. tl;dr LoGH only ruined space opera. But boy did it do a good job ruining it. My inability to distinguish the admiration I have for you from love is a sign either of my immaturity, or that the ideal, however it may have been deranged by memes, of 'GAR' overcomes all gender barriers and enables a teenage girl to be GAR for you. And you missed the h in 'triumphing' and the first r in 'therefore.' Get on that. |
Kaiserpingvin said: Did Citizen Kane make Monty Python's The Holy Grail a bad movie? I say not. Did Russell make Nietzsche a bad philosopher? I say not. Did Faulkner make Nabokov a bad writer? I say not. Did Witches make Confession worse? By no means. For they cannot be compared completely; they are too different. LoGH is of a particular kind alone - it excels at a very specific type of story. It is not abstract, so comparing it with more abstract art is not fruitful. It is not a comedy, so comparing it with comedies miss the salient points of either. (Though if LoGH is funnier than a comedy, then we would be wise to eschew it.) LoGH is of a particular kind; and while triumping in sheer craftsmanship over most anime and certainly most normal TV series for that matter, there are entirely different things to enjoy and find good or bad which LoGH is irrelevant to, for it never ever touches upon it. LoGH could never be good or bad at what it never tried to do. Theefore even a mediocre attempt at something LoGH did not try its perfect, very sexy, and strong hands at, would be worth some time, perhaps. LoGH could only possibly have spoiled anime if anime at large was the same kind of story as LoGH was, and, however sad or joyous this may be, it is not the case. tl;dr LoGH only ruined space opera. But boy did it do a good job ruining it. This is, for all intents and purposes what I meant in my previous post. It's just you put it in a much much better way. Also, LoGH is very sexy indeed. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Kaiserpingvin said: Did Citizen Kane make Monty Python's The Holy Grail a bad movie? I say not. For they cannot be compared completely; they are too different. LoGH is of a particular kind alone - it excels at a very specific type of story. It is not abstract, so comparing it with more abstract art is not fruitful. It is not a comedy, so comparing it with comedies miss the salient points of either. (Though if LoGH is funnier than a comedy, then we would be wise to eschew it.) LoGH is of a particular kind; and while triumping in sheer craftsmanship over most anime and certainly most normal TV series for that matter, there are entirely different things to enjoy and find good or bad which LoGH is irrelevant to, for it never ever touches upon it. LoGH could only possibly have spoiled anime if anime at large was the same kind of story as LoGH was, and, however sad or joyous this may be, it is not the case. tl;dr LoGH only ruined space opera. But boy did it do a good job ruining it. But I think you're sidestepping my point entirely. The point is that in a list of 'Best Movies Ever' or whatever, one of those movies is going to be on top or below the other. It's comparison, right? Fair has nothing to do with it. Everything is compared all the time, like I said, whether you're aware of it or not. Your post is only valid for the idea of comparing things of different genres, but like I said, the problem I'm personally having is related to the entire medium of anime, not the space opera genre specifically. "Dude, what's the best anime you ever seen?" "LotGH." Bam. There you go. Hundreds of anime of different genres and style, all compared instantly, with one anime on top. "What's better, LotGH or Lucky Star?" "Better at what?" "Story." "LotGH." A specific comparison, thus not entirely fair, as Lucky Star had other priorities than story, etc. So my final point is that LotGH is a vast combination of many factors that it excels at each and every time, from story to direction to music, it comes out on top in every aspect. So for me it's hard to muster up the concentration to keep watching a show that not only doesnt match LotGH's level of quality in any of those aspects, let alone all of them, but a show that doesnt even fucking try to excel. I'm of course talking about shitty modern shows that are more concerned with fanservice, current (moe) trends, and shit like that. |
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| My bar for story and characters had already been set to ungodly high standards by Monster. As good as LoGH was, I don't think it raised those expectations any higher. My biggest problem at the moment is that there aren't any anime trying to be LoGH or Monster. Sure, there's good anime being prodcued, but no anime of the same type, none of the same scale. I think that might be contributing to the "LoGH has ruined anime for me"-syndrome. Everyone who watches LoGH wants more of the same, but there just isn't any available. And holy shit 55 out of 55 people loved the last episode. Proof that anyone who actually watches the series all the way through loves it? I think so. |
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