| Considering how the anime hasn't even aired yet, and while I agree that most game adaptations to the screen might fall a bit flat, it's still too soon and presumptious to judge. |
desolato said: nahhh...he just needs attention...Considering how the anime hasn't even aired yet, and while I agree that most game adaptations to the screen might fall a bit flat, it's still too soon and presumptious to judge. though eroge visual novels are mostly traced by the same path so I think his opinion is valid.. |
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| >Chance of official translation. Titles like Air have been sitting dead for years. I wouldn't get my hopes up. >Annoying anime fans who don't appreciate the original source. You can't blame them. We were all ignorant of VNs at one point. >Anime fans spamming the visual nove opening in all caps asking "LOL WUT ANIME IS TIS" Don't go on shit sites like Youtube. >They will judge Oretachi by the anime. It happens with all VN/manga/LN adaptations. But VN adaptations do get harsher criticisms overall thanks to the misconception than they're all nukiges or something. >...none of the Navel anime adaptions have worked out. None of Navel's games up till Oretsuba have been remotely close to being "decent". |
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fujifruit said: Sounds like you're an adaptation-fag. You're probably like a Harry Potter fan that rages for everything single thing they change/leave out of the movie adaptations.I'm scared this will suffer the same fate as the Shuffle! and ef anime. -Changed characters personality -Random ass ending -Random side character becomes main character without any hints. God help me.. I watched ef and was only able to play the VN after the translation was released, but that did not hamper my enjoyment of the experience. In fact, I found parts that were both more/less compelling in the anime. I believe there was no random ass ending to it since it conveyed the same message as the VN; they just built on top of it. All the other cons you list are because of the viewers. If you can not ignore them, I feel bad for you. |
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| @op You're totally right. This vn takes about... 50-60 hours to read (if you can read Japnese pretty fast, otherwise it's like twice as long) and is extremely complex, thus it's impossible to just make an adaptation of it that would have 24 episodes. Not talking about 12 episodes - that would be just inane. I'll say more. Given the fact that we have yet to see a good adaptation of a vn (with Clannad:AS being the exception that proves the rule), I can say that in huge likelihood, that this anime will suck and be yet another failure as an adaptation. <Simply by playing vns and watching their adaptations, this level of reasoning is possible for Furudo Erika me.> |
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| OreTsuba VN would get oficcial translation by MangaGamer just after they finish Shuffle sequels(Tick-Tack and Really? Really!). As I know it was confirmed. And yes, I agree that Shuffle and Soul Link animes were fail. But I disagree that Ef anime was fail(all main things of plot and characters was saved). And I don't agree that Shuffle and Soul Link VN's was bad. They were not perfect but much better than average. The only serious "minus" of them was that studio gone a bit "overboard" with H-scenes. In Shuffle would be enough 1 scene per root instead of 2. And I'd prefer to remove most of that random Cellaria-linked rape-scenes from Soul Link. So I prefer to hope that this time we would get normal adaptation and more than 13 eps. |
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| I still think the choice in Shuffle! anime was obvious and always foreshadowed. But, anyway, you can't please everyone and it seems to me that VN fans always, without fail, bitch about any change no matter how small is made. Of course, I'm generalizing as I try very hard to not fall into that territory. Anyway, I hope they just do a good with what ever they adapt. |
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insan3soldiern said: it seems to me that VN fans always, without fail, bitch about any change no matter how small is made. Only most radical guys. The same with manga-fans and LN-fans. Radical fan of some title would complain about any changes in adaptation. There are good VN adaptations(such as Clannad, Kanon, Kimi Kiss and some other) there are decent(such as Acane-iro ni Somaru Saka or Amagami SS) but there are bad once (such as Shukufuku no Campanella). Speeking of Navel. In Shuffle they make plot better but characters worser and they choose root that wasn't main in VN(I could understand why taught). In Soul Link they just put story at least twice longer than Shuffle in twice few episodes. Would be bad if best of Navel's VN's would get one more bad adaptation |
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| This is kind of off topic, but is OreTsuba really that good? I mean I've heard alot of good things about it, but its hard to believe Navel just suddenly produced a masterpiece or something considering Shuffle was merely fluff and Soul Link was, well, not very entertaining.How can their work improve that much? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Tastes differ. I don't read OreTsuba either but some of my friends who read it give only positive recension. And it is at least better than Shuffle or Soul Link. |
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| ah.. adaptation.. in my case, they can butcher it as long it doesn't end up becoming mediocre.. an exact adaptation is kind of pointless on my behalf and seeing new or altered content is usually a plus for me.. yes, it's true that the vn original always outdoes the anime but i still want to see something that won't make me say, "oh, this again".. this is part of the reason why some parts of Clannad anime did not "entertain" me.. i haven't read OreTsubasa so i won't be able to judge whatever but from experience.. .. .. with the reverse side where i haven't read the original source prior to watching the anime, what i like in "bad" adaptations is that i can still see a sneak peek of whether the original may have a semblance of something great.. and because of the situation that i won't be satisfied with the "bad" adaptation of something supposedly great, i would be very willing get the original and read it to my heart's content.. it's kind of like a marketing strategy they're doing here.. i wouldn't be in the visual novel industry if Fate/stay night anime had been perfect.. when i watched it, i felt that it's great and could've been greater so i made effort to read the vn.. now i'm also reading every visual novel i could get my hands on.. but kanon is still sitting in my hard drive unfinished because the anime had such great adaptation that i get bored at reading the same content.. so the question now is.. will OreTsubasa anime make me read its vn someday? |
argilium said: so the question now is.. will OreTsubasa anime make me read its vn someday? It has an EGS median of 87. I think that says something about the game. |
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| The Shuffle anime was one of the few I found better than the VN. I would like a longer season for this though. |
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insan3soldiern said: But, anyway, you can't please everyone and it seems to me that VN fans always, without fail, bitch about any change no matter how small is made. Of course, I'm generalizing as I try very hard to not fall into that territory. QFT. And not to say this is limited to VNs: any adaptation will have elitists bitching. Novels made into movies, mangas made into anime, etc. I tend to just ignore them these days unless they seem to be able to come up with intelligent, well-explained reasons why they say what they say (rare). Even more so in this case, seeing as I totally love the Shuffle! anime. |
fujifruit said: Redfoxoffire said: Or we just don't want people to judge vn ___ by a crappy adaption....?insan3soldiern said: But, anyway, you can't please everyone and it seems to me that VN fans always, without fail, bitch about any change no matter how small is made. Of course, I'm generalizing as I try very hard to not fall into that territory. QFT. And not to say this is limited to VNs: any adaptation will have elitists bitching. Novels made into movies, mangas made into anime, etc. I tend to just ignore them these days unless they seem to be able to come up with intelligent, well-explained reasons why they say what they say (rare). Even more so in this case, seeing as I totally love the Shuffle! anime. Is this a common problem? I don't often see it, so I can't imagine people saying things like "OH SHUFFLE ANIME SUCKED SO THE VN MUST, TOO, AMIRITE!?" As an example, I love the novel Eragon, but the movie was pretty crappy, and most people agree even if they didn't read the book. However, I've not met a single person who judged the book on that premise. My sister even said she imagined the book was probably a lot better because the story looked like it was just done poorly but could have been very good. Btw Rin 'HEY ASA I CHOOSE YOU EVEN THO I'VE HARDLY EVER TALKED TO YOU AND THE VIEWERES KNOW NOTHIN ABOUT YOU' Kaede 'I'M GOING TO GO YANDERE BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YANDERE LOL' ;_; I hate Asa. She is my only beef with the anime. Maybe I'm biased because I love Kaede, but I found her fall into "craziness" pretty believable. I don't like her because I like yandere; I like yandere because I like her. |
Iisan-kun said: Redfoxoffire said: I see "CLANNAD ENDING SUCKED. VN MUST'VE SUCKED TOO. KEY IS BAD AT WRITING." all the time, so I understand where he is coming from. But Clannad does suck. Key for dummies : |
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| I wasn't going watch this anime at first (since I was afraid it was going to become a generic, cliche romance like most do), but after he started bagging on EF, which is, arguably, the best romance anime(s) ever produced, I was like "Fuck it, I'll watch it. It'll probably be good if he's bagging on it." I've played the VN of ef, and that didn't make the anime any less enjoyable. I agree with HawthorneKitty, you sound like an adaption-fag. |
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| Hm. Now, than eps. number comes up it's bothering me. OreTsuba VN is very long. At least much longer than Shuffle. How, god dammit, they think to pit it in 12 eps?! Is it mistake or they already planned more than one season. Cause if not - it doesn't make sense from the start. |
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insan3soldiern said: I still think the choice in Shuffle! anime was obvious and always foreshadowed. But, anyway, you can't please everyone and it seems to me that VN fans always, without fail, bitch about any change no matter how small is made. Of course, I'm generalizing as I try very hard to not fall into that territory. Anyway, I hope they just do a good with what ever they adapt. I know christ forbid people get disgusted/dismayed/just quit the anime , when they realize it isn't even following the common route of the original Story, -_- I consider the Shuffle! Adaption a fail ~ You can consider it a gem, I dont really care. But with the release pending well soon find out - though I doubt it will be more than an over rushed crammed adaption - 12 episodes for all of OT are you serious? |
| lol, i watch the anime for the anime itself, sitting here and comparing it to the original and expecting it to be a certain way always ends up in disappointment. and people who say the original is bad if the anime is bad are stupid so just ignore them and stop complaining lol. |
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mystik said: The Shuffle anime was one of the few I found better than the VN. I would like a longer season for this though. shuffle aniem sucked dick, the girl he picked was random >.> i swear i didnt even know he would pick her until the end of the series, and you dont learn a thing about her until after he starts dating her, thats just >.< |
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