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03-06-11, 7:51 PM

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Honestly, I think Homura is a totally different person and isn't a family member or anything like that.

Sure, Homura seems to really care for Madoka, how they are actually related? Well only time will tell...

Until next week... We can hope for back story.

Also it looks like the witch battle in episode one is indeed Walpurgis.
 
03-08-11, 5:02 AM

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I think Homura is Madoka's best friend

is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka?
 
03-08-11, 10:35 AM

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Marim said:
I think Homura is Madoka's best friend

is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka?


Seems pretty clear to me. Part of Homura's sacrifice in going back in time/jumping to a new time/whatever is that no one remembers her. She was likely part of the group before, and probably BFF yurimates with Madoka. Now she has to try to save Madoka and the world, while her former best friend only sees her as a cold, dangerous thing. Perhaps Sayaka is even a replacement created to fill the void, or maybe she was a rival for BFF. Either way, Homura is pissed.

She longs to embrace dat DFC again, but being yuri is suffering.
 
03-08-11, 10:35 AM

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Marim said:
I think Homura is Madoka's best friend

is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka?


Seems pretty clear to me. Part of Homura's sacrifice in going back in time/jumping to a new time/whatever is that no one remembers her. She was likely part of the group before, and probably BFF yurimates with Madoka. Now she has to try to save Madoka and the world, while her former best friend only sees her as a cold, dangerous thing. Perhaps Sayaka is even a replacement created to fill the void, or maybe she was a rival for BFF. Either way, Homura is pissed.

She longs to embrace dat DFC again, but being yuri is suffering.
 
03-08-11, 2:34 PM

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03-11-11, 4:06 AM

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I wonder what will happen next and interested about Kamijou too
 
03-11-11, 10:21 AM

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I assumed that, even though this show was dark, it was going to be "And at least one of you will live happily ever after and some of you don't make it". After watching episode 10 though, I am now having visions of Homura having to travel back in time again and the last thing we see is Homura introducing herself to the class again. Destined to repeat the same section of history in vain. I wouldn't mind if it ended like that but I really want Madoka and Homura to be happy together in the end.



 
03-17-11, 5:50 PM

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This.
 
03-17-11, 10:11 PM

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Soon there won't be a reason for this thread to exist.

Sad days.
 
03-18-11, 4:25 PM

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Soon there won't be a reason for this thread to exist.

Sad days.


There will always be a place for speculah.

A place close to my balls.
 
04-11-11, 6:38 PM

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Season 2?
 
04-22-11, 3:20 PM

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To send off the series in the most fitting manner possible, here is one last speculah I posted on TVTropes. It's pretty long and is about the origin of Walpurgis Night, something that wasn't properly answered in the actual series.

 
04-22-11, 10:12 PM

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To send off the series in the most fitting manner possible, here is one last speculah I posted on TVTropes. It's pretty long and is about the origin of Walpurgis Night, something that wasn't properly answered in the actual series.



WoW i never thought of it that way i see where u going with this
but as AmberFebruary pointed out ,

Walpurgisnact is just a Witch, a Witch Queen, an overpowered witch if i may, and as Madoka said as the Walpurgis vanishes,

"It's enough.
You don't need to hold a grudge against anyone.
You don't need to curse anyone anymore.
I'll protect you before you even taken that form."

implying that she is a Mahou Shoujo once, and has been a Witch that powerful because she has chosen to curse the "world" itself. >.<

this kind goes with wat u saying in a way
 
04-23-11, 1:35 AM

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holyflamez said:
FOE-tan said:
To send off the series in the most fitting manner possible, here is one last speculah I posted on TVTropes. It's pretty long and is about the origin of Walpurgis Night, something that wasn't properly answered in the actual series.



WoW i never thought of it that way i see where u going with this
but as AmberFebruary pointed out ,

Walpurgisnact is just a Witch, a Witch Queen, an overpowered witch if i may, and as Madoka said as the Walpurgis vanishes,

"It's enough.
You don't need to hold a grudge against anyone.
You don't need to curse anyone anymore.
I'll protect you before you even taken that form."

implying that she is a Mahou Shoujo once, and has been a Witch that powerful because she has chosen to curse the "world" itself. >.<

this kind goes with wat u saying in a way
Well maybe the girl wished that she could destroy the earth and that no existing mahou shoujo would be able to stop her, and the Incubator granted her wish by fusing her with itself, giving her the perks of an Incubator such as being pretty much indestructible, which would explain why Homura would never be able to destroy her, no matter how hard she tried.

Since incubators don't understand human emotions, it probably thought that it would have enough control to contain her destruction in such a way it would be beneficial to the incubators, but found out it was powerless to stop her once she went insane from its attempts at restraint,.

Another incubator motif that Walpurgisnacht has are the red eyes, which are on a mechanical, unmoving face.

Or maybe Walpugisnacht was an Incubator who could feel emotions (Kyuubey did imply that Incubators like that might exist when he was talking about emotions being treated the same way as mental defects in Incubator society, but this is Kyuubey we are talking about.), gave itself mahou shoujo powers without realizing the consequences and became a witch, Incubator-style.
 
04-23-11, 2:38 PM

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FOE-tan said:
holyflamez said:
FOE-tan said:
To send off the series in the most fitting manner possible, here is one last speculah I posted on TVTropes. It's pretty long and is about the origin of Walpurgis Night, something that wasn't properly answered in the actual series.



WoW i never thought of it that way i see where u going with this
but as AmberFebruary pointed out ,

Walpurgisnact is just a Witch, a Witch Queen, an overpowered witch if i may, and as Madoka said as the Walpurgis vanishes,

"It's enough.
You don't need to hold a grudge against anyone.
You don't need to curse anyone anymore.
I'll protect you before you even taken that form."

implying that she is a Mahou Shoujo once, and has been a Witch that powerful because she has chosen to curse the "world" itself. >.<

this kind goes with wat u saying in a way
Well maybe the girl wished that she could destroy the earth and that no existing mahou shoujo would be able to stop her, and the Incubator granted her wish by fusing her with itself, giving her the perks of an Incubator such as being pretty much indestructible, which would explain why Homura would never be able to destroy her, no matter how hard she tried.

Since incubators don't understand human emotions, it probably thought that it would have enough control to contain her destruction in such a way it would be beneficial to the incubators, but found out it was powerless to stop her once she went insane from its attempts at restraint,.

Another incubator motif that Walpurgisnacht has are the red eyes, which are on a mechanical, unmoving face.

Or maybe Walpugisnacht was an Incubator who could feel emotions (Kyuubey did imply that Incubators like that might exist when he was talking about emotions being treated the same way as mental defects in Incubator society, but this is Kyuubey we are talking about.), gave itself mahou shoujo powers without realizing the consequences and became a witch, Incubator-style.


I get it what u saying i found this on umm wiki.puella-magi.net

from episode 11

Homura confirmed that Walpurgis Night is a witch that doesn't need a barrier to appear. Its appearance itself would cause hundreds of casualties.
This episode also confirms (or partially confirms) that Walpurgis Night is named after the actual 'festival' it represents, and while it doesn't have a barrier outright, around the spot where it appears can be found a festival-like gathering of familiars. Whether it is an actual gathering of witches or just themed after the historical gathering is up in the air, but some of its familiars did appear to be similar to the magical girl forms of some witches.

sorry my info is not organized >.<
 
04-23-11, 3:00 PM

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Well, I changed my theory a bit since then. Walpurgis Night IS a witch, but it is an Incubator at the same time.

Of course, that would require an Incubator that could feel human emotions, but Kyuubey implied that Incubators with emotions existed when he was talking about how surprised they were when humans could co-exist despite their emotions. He implied this by saying that Incubators regarded emotions as a defect, thus implying that they saw emotions before they discovered humans, just at a much lower rate and with near-instant death. Of course, Kyuubey likes to imply things that are non-existent, but I don't see any need for him to avoid the truth on that particular matter.

So reading between the lines, there are some Incubators which are capable of feeling emotions like a human, but they are so rare that they can't be used as a reliable energy source, and the incubators in question are treated as defects by the normal, emotionless Incubators, and that will be the source of the despair turns them into a witch.They probably have the same powers as normal incubators, so they could probably empower themselves, which leads them to become witches.

The human witches gather around the Incubator witch as a central figure like how the mahou shuojo gather around a normal incubator, and also like the real Walpurgis Night.

Of course, this means Walpurgis gets incubator perks like the grief seed storage area (which could be used to become even more powerful) and the regeneration ability that Kyuubey has too, only stronger, which explains why Homura couldn't scratch Walpurgis, and justifies Kyuubey's confidence that she could never defeat Walpurgis, no matter how many timelines she travels to.
 
04-23-11, 10:32 PM

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FOE-tan said:
Well, I changed my theory a bit since then. Walpurgis Night IS a witch, but it is an Incubator at the same time.

Of course, that would require an Incubator that could feel human emotions, but Kyuubey implied that Incubators with emotions existed when he was talking about how surprised they were when humans could co-exist despite their emotions. He implied this by saying that Incubators regarded emotions as a defect, thus implying that they saw emotions before they discovered humans, just at a much lower rate and with near-instant death. Of course, Kyuubey likes to imply things that are non-existent, but I don't see any need for him to avoid the truth on that particular matter.

So reading between the lines, there are some Incubators which are capable of feeling emotions like a human, but they are so rare that they can't be used as a reliable energy source, and the incubators in question are treated as defects by the normal, emotionless Incubators, and that will be the source of the despair turns them into a witch.They probably have the same powers as normal incubators, so they could probably empower themselves, which leads them to become witches.

The human witches gather around the Incubator witch as a central figure like how the mahou shuojo gather around a normal incubator, and also like the real Walpurgis Night.

Of course, this means Walpurgis gets incubator perks like the grief seed storage area (which could be used to become even more powerful) and the regeneration ability that Kyuubey has too, only stronger, which explains why Homura couldn't scratch Walpurgis, and justifies Kyuubey's confidence that she could never defeat Walpurgis, no matter how many timelines she travels to.


THats very interesting point i agree
on another note lets say they make a s2
i would like to see madoka go to the future and stop mahou shuojo from becoming a witch.

o yea i rewatch episode 12 again don't u think the frist girl madoka save
was Walpurgis because of the circus theme and the place she died at which had the same theme?
 
04-26-11, 2:06 PM

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There is such a thing as over-speculating and over-theorizing... But it is an interesting one, that seems like a possibility. In any case, there might be a season 2 to get rid of the demons...? Or will it just be a slice of life about killing demons, since they don't seem like a threat at all.
 
05-01-11, 11:59 AM

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I believe that Freud's Death Drive Theory suits perfectly as a framework for this show. Actually I psychoanalyze Madoka and wrote something about it on my blog. If you guys are into psychology more particularly with psycho-sexual approach to Madoka, feel free to check my post Psychoanalysis: Death Drive in Mahou Shoujo Madoka, and feel free to let me know what you think.
 
11-08-11, 2:17 PM

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UPDATE
With the announcement of the three new movies, there is a lot of room for theories to form especially since the third movie will contain new material. The first and second movies will be remade, so there are problem some changes to theorize as well. LET'S REVIVE THE FUN THREAD.
 
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