| Really Japan? They do realize that buy by cutting the only legal way to watch this, we now have to watch it *]illegaly?* I'm in awe of their genius. /sarcasm |
| <i>When all else is lost, the future still remains</i> |
| really it doesnt even matter if Funimation subs it or not cuz there will still be others who will and others that will watch it =P |
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| And nothing of importance was lost... Seriously, the first episode was sleep inducing. The concept itself of the dopples and fractale system are certainly unique, but they are poorly delivered. I feel more attachment to a grain of salt I ate for dinner than the male protagonist. The director might as well retire now. |
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Altair718 said: Good point, but it's missing one thing: we don't "have" to watch it at all.Really Japan? They do realize that buy by cutting the only legal way to watch this, we now have to watch it *]illegaly?* I'm in awe of their genius. /sarcasm |
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| So they're thinking the only way to stop illegal copies is the eliminate the only legal stream in NA? I guess they like to lose legal viewers if that's how they're thinking. It really doesn't tell if they're referring to the actual fansubs or groups like horriblesubs, which rips Funimation's version of the show. To be honest, the first episode was boring anyway. Between the original writer complaining about it and now this, it seems this show was destined to fail before it aired the 2nd episode. |
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| Freaking dumbasses, removing the only legal option will not help with piracy problems. This made me laugh. |
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| Wow, that was fast... |
peix said: Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime. GENIUS The reason why 90% of the world that watches anime outside of Japan does so illegally is because (besides paying loads of cash in import fees and learning japanese) how are we suppose to watch anime in a language that we can understand. |
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| Seeing how the director Yamamoto Yutaka is ready for retirement, I believe he does not have an intent to work on this project anymore. Cutting the only legal way of viewing this anime WILL NOT help the situation of illegal streaming or piracy, therefore Funi-bull-crap has no need to do so. I think this whole thing is a controversy to end this anime. Don't get me wrong I thought it had a good start. :3 |
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| I'm not watching this series, but even if I were I can't watch funimation anyway since they only let Americans (and maybe Canadians?) watch their channel... You'd have to suppress the entire world, bb. good luck! |
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peix said: Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime. GENIUS Pretty much, though FUNi only stream to the US any way so they were no help to me. |
WingedFish said: Exactly.Deal with it, FUNimation. Nobody likes you anyways. And a note for Japan/whoever gives shit: The "illegal" sharing/fansubing of anime will NEVER stop and it is pointless to even try (unless you just want to cancel the show). The fansubing will always in its own way promote and grow the anime market more than it would take away seeing as most if not all of us watching the fansubs would likely have never even known about this anime therefore your not losing money you can't lose money you never would have had. Think about it like this say 1000 people watch a "illegal" fansub version of a airing show and maybe 140 of them like it enough to buy the dvds when they are out that is 140 more people buying your stuff that never would have known about some Japanese shit show those 860 people who never buy anything related to the show are not a loss seeing as those 860 people never would have known about that anime without fansubs. /end rant of pointlessness. Side note: I buy most, if not all my anime. |
peix said: Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime. GENIUS well this is disappointing. |
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| Oh Japan, you're so silly. Well, I guess we do have HorribleSubs to blame. But if only FUNi would allow people from outside the USA to watch their streams, this most likely wouldn't have happened. Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. |
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| do the realise the ammount of anime thats been uploaded is less then usual because theres nothing worth watching that much............ |
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STM said: Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. How the hell is it stupid on Funi's part? They aren't the ones making the fansubs. It's not their fault, and yet they are the ones being punished by being told to wave their magic wand and make all fansubs disappear. If anything we should feel bad for them because they are the ones getting screwed here. |
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| Most of my thoughts have been raised by the rest of the thread, so I'm just here to laugh. But on a serious note, I think there was a fight behind the scenes. Something along the lines of *you're not paying me enough* or *I wanna retire soon so I'm gonna trash this place like a damn bad boy*. The best thing to do to avoid a massive scandal is to turn some random company into their bi*** by giving them an impossible task and when they cannot accomplish it, toss all the blame on them. Such is life, gents. Got to accept it. |
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| Ummm, it makes me kinda worried to be the first one to say this but. You know, it's not like they terminate the simulcast to fight piracy, (Like some of you implied, by saying "Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime") it's just probably that, if so many people are watching the fansubs, it's not very profitable to make those simulcasts. Sigh. |
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Nachotee said: Ummm, it makes me kinda worried to be the first one to say this but. You know, it's not like they terminate the simulcast to fight piracy, (Like some of you implied, by saying "Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime") it's just probably that, if so many people are watching the fansubs, it's not very profitable to make those simulcasts. Sigh. As if simulcasts are that profitable to begin with. You're serving a niche of a niche audience and, in most cases, only in specific areas. Fansubs still cater to the rest of the world where legal alternatives are unavailable or severely limited. Plus, fansubbers can release their show in much higher video quality because they don't have to worry about bandwidth costs. Either way, the fansubbers have been blamed for all the anime industry's woes for decades now. So far, it's still standing and the only ones losing out on this are the ones who watch anime purely via legal means. Until Japan learns to cooperate with and seek ways to profit from fansubs, production committees like this one can scream all they want, but nothing will ever change. |
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Paladin65536 said: Can't censer the internet, ya know. Oh really... It's the Japanese we're talking about here, mkay? If they are capable of building highly trained robot ninjas with cat hears from the future (in secret of course!) they are capable of anything. On a side note: They are really overreacting about all this. Dumping their frustration on FUNimation is unreasonable. Still, I watch fansubs so it's not like I really care... |
| Well, now that it's come to this, enjoy pirated forms of Fractale without a qualm. |
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| Well, if the Japanese really want to go ahead with this, then the first part of the solution is to understand that the US isn't the entire English-speaking world. In other words, if the streams are region-locked, then widespread piracy of the streams is guaranteed. Sure, you can bypass region protection via proxy, but that's illegal as well, so you might as well torrent a 720p version rather than going through a relatively complex process to get a LQ stream. To counter this, the production companies will need to make deals with British and Australian licensors as well as US and Canadian ones, so that there is universal availability in the English-speaking world. Of course, I believe that Crunchyroll are the only company to supply legal streams of anime to the UK at the moment, and they cover the US anyway, so they will have to convince a British licensor like MVM Films, as well as an Australian one such as Madman Entertainment to work with Funimation and provide localized streams on their own websites. |
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| Japan : STOP WATCHING ANIME ILLEGALLY. HERE WATCH THIS SIMULCAST INSTEAD. *Some people watch Fractale illegally* Japan : RIGHT, THAT'S IT. NO MORE SIMULCAST!!!! *Now everyone watches Fractale illegally as there is no other choice* Not that people outside of Funi's territories had a choice anyway. UTW for the win. |
| Significantly suppressed? Then how do fansubbers get the anime? This is ridiculous. I'm not even watching the fansub for this show, but if the fansubbers drop it because of this I'm not watching it anymore. I'm definitely not going to support this anime either way. |
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| I also think that this move is as absurd as it gets, but let me just reiterate one thing: *Now everyone watches Fractale illegally as there is no other choice* It's THEIR show, stop feeling entitled to something you are not. ...I know I come off as hypocrite as it gets for saying this, and for that reason I won't be the one trowing stones at anyone (I don't pretend to stop watching fansubs for that matter), but the more legal my collection grows the more this subject starts to bug me. I for one would ditch the whole copyright concept on the bin and move on to an updated (as in built around the concept of internet) stream of revenue for content creators, but as it stands, I can't back up my actions with the above quote like I used to. I obviously also can't stand by their side and think their draconian impositions on who gets to see their work is the way to go, but still... any thoughts on the matter? |
| "There is no stupid questions, only stupid people." |
| I gotta love Japan's thinking here. I think what they're trying to have FUNi send out all these C&Ds letters to the fansubs according to Japan, however, at that same time, Japan terminates FUNi's legal simulcasts and now we're left with a heck of a choice here. So basically, even if we had tried, how can we watch Fractale with a legal simulcast when really, it's currently terminated while illegal fansubs are on the run? (BTW, I did watch Episode 1 and I was bored whatsoever.) |
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Seifersythe said: Wait, where's all this hate for Funi coming from again? Aren't they the ones providing a ton of free anime online, simulcast and back-cataloged? Aren't they the one rescuing a ton of out of print hits from ADV and Geneon 20 bucks a pop? Aren't they the ones putting Summer Wars and Eva 2.22 in US theaters? Aren't they the ones that produced some of the best dubs in the last five years? Just because they're a company doesn't automatically make them evil, ya know. This teenage rebellion reaction is hilarious. I don't know why everyone else here hates Funi, but for me it's as simple as SGT Frog's english dub. I still buy from them because they are one of the few sources to get stuff legally but as far as I'm concerned with things like Hetalia and SGT Frog they are literally putting the nails in their own coffins. Not to mention the disturbing amount of cursing they added into one of my faves Blassreiter, really that was needed? Not a very good idea Funi. As for Fractale I really liked the first episode I will probably continue to watch it, now I just won't be watching it via Funi. |
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| Oh great, just when I have started to make more of a habit of watching anime through funimation website, and this happens. Seriously, now I'm going to just download the anime as usual because it's not available any other way >.> Sandileina said: This shows my thoughts perfectly.peix said: Combating illegal distribution of an anime by eliminating the only legal distribution of said anime. GENIUS Genius comment. |
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| This is an amusing start to my day. I hadn't really intended on watching Fractale, and the only way I gonna try and watch it was through KeyHole TV. But now I'm half-tempted to go and download it. |
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| My number one most wanted to watch show this season is cursed. I was watching it legit, now I have no choice but to watch it illegal, sigh... Also the only way to keep it off the internet is to not make it at all. |
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Skeetulz said: A few days ago: "Fractale will fail better get ready to retire" Today: "Taking down the only legal stream of Fractale" It's like they want it to fail on purpose Seriously...this is retarded. Why are they trying so hard to screw this show? It's just one arrogant declaration after another. Boohoo..the show isn't pretty enough. Oh No..The show is streaming in other streaming sites. CRAP..People are watching our show! What the hell is their malfunction?! |
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WolfWood37 said: STM said: Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. How the hell is it stupid on Funi's part? They aren't the ones making the fansubs. It's not their fault, and yet they are the ones being punished by being told to wave their magic wand and make all fansubs disappear. If anything we should feel bad for them because they are the ones getting screwed here. Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. |
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| Normally I wouldn't care about this so much because Hulu isn't available here, but isn't FUNi, like, the only people who are subbing it right now? ;3; |
| I never did like funimation. All their dvds look really ugly in my shelves :C |
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ios said: they are paranoid about the internet, why dont they just make a site like CrunchyRoll for them to get some business going u said it man they should definitely try that |
| Big japanese corporations are generally really old fashioned. They have no idea how to do business in modern world. They are just corrupt idiots who should quit their jobs and let new generations do their work, properly. |
STM said: Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. Don't try to over simplify something as complex as Japan-US copyright deals. It's not exclusively up to FUNI to pick which countries they are allowed to showcase something. Not to mention their main source of income on the free streaming would require A LOT more work to function on a global scale, something that may just not be foreseeable on the near future considering I highly doubt they make that much money to begin with. Babels said: Exactly. Nice to see someone else who thinks this way. Personally, I've stopped watching any anime/reading manga illegally. So only people like me, who are going about it in the legal way, really lose in this case. Well, fractale wasn't quite the bees knees anyway. All the drama around that show lately has greatly diminished my desire to watch it. Yep, it's the same deal with gaming piracy, you end up hurting no one other than your customers... it's mind boggling actually. But don't fret, it's the usual generation clash... soon enough "this" people will be retired and people that know how to deal with the current world will slowly start poping up... let's just hope they still have a market to carter to 20 years from now when this finally happens ¬¬ -- ...and about the whole hate bandwagon, I did get screwed over the Witchblade release (what a piss poor job they did there) and maybe one or two other titles, but overall, I applaud their commitment to the market and will continue to like them for as long as they release quality stuff (which they do!). |
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| lol clearly the JP companies and authorities are doing a fine job "eliminating" piracy. i believe the only way to control or even eliminate piracy is to control the medium in which it is carried out. which means controlling information, the internet itself, and those who use it. i am pretty sure there are countries who actually do this sort of thing and even they can't eliminate piracy of any sort.... |
kisami said: lol clearly the JP companies and authorities are doing a fine job "eliminating" piracy. i believe the only way to control or even eliminate piracy is to control the medium in which it is carried out. which means controlling information, the internet itself, and those who use it. i am pretty sure there are countries who actually do this sort of thing and even they can't eliminate piracy of any sort.... For example China. |
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| One thing i never understood with this crap, is why people just fully download the stream and upload it to torrents. Just seems so damn pointless to me, atleast use a Higher quality raw, then the streamed one from sites... |
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| Kind of stupid since the fact that someone made a fansub has nothing to do with funimation but i don't give a shit. I don't get access to Funimation anyway. Actually their company only makes it harder to watch some anime for me so who cares. Fansubs all the way. |
| LOL seriously? There is no possible way for a company to tackle a problem whole countries fail to accomplish. Piracy isn't going to end. Deal with it Japan. |
FatherAndersonJan 20, 2011 1:42 PM
| Hmm, the number of illegal subs is rising quite a bit... I know lets PUNISH THE PEOPLE DOING IT LEGALLY, then surely, it will get through the illegal subbers! BRILLIANT! ...Yeah. |
FatherAnderson said: They are probably just making public statements so they can pin the blame on someone else when their product fails. It seems like there's some good old behind-the-scenes fighting here.LOL seriously? There is no possible way for a company to tackle a problem whole countries fail to accomplish. Pirating isn't going to end. Deal with it Japan. And for the people who mentioned Funi's C&D letters, I haven't ever heard of those having any sort of consequences in the end. At best the groups that got them would cease in public then create shadow groups to continue their work. At worst the group would merely laugh in Funimation's face and continue as if nothing was wrong. |
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| don't they realize that the raw's will always be around? of, the power of internet.... ironically enough, they didn't tell japanese tv stations to stop showing it if anything, it's the fractale producers who should pull the plug on the show, as it pisses all over the original manga/novel's character designs |
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STM said: WolfWood37 said: STM said: Stupid FUNi. And even more stupid Japan. They wanted to make Fractale more popular and what do they do? Remove the only legal simulcast. How the hell is it stupid on Funi's part? They aren't the ones making the fansubs. It's not their fault, and yet they are the ones being punished by being told to wave their magic wand and make all fansubs disappear. If anything we should feel bad for them because they are the ones getting screwed here. Like I said, FUNi should allow the whole world, except Japan, to watch their simulcasts. But only America's allowed to watch. That's probably one of the reasons people still illegally upload Fractale to the internet. I agree there, the problem is that different countries have different companies that license the anime. So then you get into problems similar to Harmony Gold and Macross here in the states. Then even if they get past that issue, they have to hire more people to translate into different languages for those other countries. |
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