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Dec 24, 2010 7:57 AM
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Xayoz said:
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1.What does Natsuno's stance mean to you?

It rather puzzles me.
So your best friend gets killed, yet comes back virtually unchanged.
You get turned into a awesome immortal with basically no rules or limitations.
What do you do?
'I'M GONNA KILL EVERYONE! (and hope to die myself as well)'

God, I'm really starting to hate misantropic people.

Or are you saying Natsuno fights against Shiki for he is a noble hero who has developed a deep love for the village (witch he openly claims to dislike) and all of it's inhabitants?
Pff.
To me he is just an angsty wuss who, out of some adolescent stubbornness, refuses to adapt.

shadowii said:
2.What does it mean to you that 90% of the shiki side were villagers prior to dieing?

It means that the 'living' villagers are not just killing some foreign horde, trying to drive them out of their homes but butchering their own friends and families.


thank you for answering my questions (I just wanted opinions)
as to Natsuno i dont know enough of his thinkng to make an assertation (its much clearer in the manga where Tohru and Natsuno DID meet and Tohru became Natsuno's spy)
however i will say
"awesome immortal with basically no rules or limitations" thats not really the right way to live and in my opinion that got the shiki into this mess in the first place.
Atsushi summed it well in the manga "I have earned the right you kill" sure you guys did, untill your prey got mad
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Dec 24, 2010 8:44 AM

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The death of Seishin's relatives, though, is entirely Seishin's fault.


ariapokoteng said:

Again, Seishin's relatives' case is dfferent. Like I said, Seishin did this to them.


So, is it wise to put the ENTIRE blame of Seishin's family massacre on Seishin and not on the villagers that did it? Did the villagers have some kind of moral immunity in your mind?

So, let's say your parents murdered one of my relatives. Then, do I have the right to say that I can kill you because of what your parent did? And there is absolutely no blame on me, really? You deserved it? I don't think putting 100% the blame on Seishin is logical.


The moment Seishin entered his house is the moment he dragged all its inhabitants into the bloodbath.
Villagers have become "hunters". You can say that they are "out of their minds". They can't think properly, thay can only react, because otherwise there's a good chance you get a bullet in your head or a pair of fangs in your neck.
Seishin's family didn't know he's home, and because of that it looked like they're covering for him. And for villagers that ment they were shikis allies, an enemy. And any sign of hostility would be enough for the "hunters" to kill them.
I'm not saying that whichever side is "right" or "wrong". Neither of them is.
But the one who brang hunters to Seishin's house is Seishin himself. You could expect that his relatives might get hurt as the result.
Sorry for grammar mistakes(if any), english is not my native language. Feel free to correct me if you see some.
Dec 24, 2010 8:45 AM
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Omg this episode is insane. The villagers should die and not the shikis! They are far much worse than shiki
Dec 24, 2010 8:54 AM
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Oh know I remember what the scene before the opening reminded me of
A world war one movie i saw where the soldiers were eating lunch during some time in a trench and the one of them handed a core to a dead guys hand as a joke (they stuffed the trenches with dead soldiers to help maintain them)
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Unless I missed it, I don't understand Moroi's take on shiki--meaning why he is going so far for Sunaco and why he was even at the house. Didn't he go on his own?

I said it before and I'm saying it again, where is Natsuno? I thought he'd have a much bigger part in the series.
Dec 24, 2010 10:12 AM

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just when i thought this show cant get any better. they throw in the largest amount of wth face palming moments.
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Dec 24, 2010 10:52 AM

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Ahh the darkness of the human heart. The opening scene of the episode was so disturbing in a good way; the perfect picture of how they adjusted to the oddity.

I am guessing Sensei will die from the ordered guy, Natsuno will kill Megumi, and then ask to be killed himself. I don't think Sunako will live and personally don't care either way.

Took me a while to figure out why he shot the jinrou XD (Genocide goodness 10/10)
Dec 24, 2010 12:22 PM

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If Sunako dies, i will cry!

Villagers are the worst.


Yeah, because obviously it was the villagers who started the killing, right?

Sunako will most likely survive, while the village will probably be destroyed by all the people who have given into insanity and paranoia.

Either way, the ending is very obvious and predictable at this point.
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Just to piss people off and state my opinion I'd like to say go villigers, you some serious ass! Also at the same time i'll say what the hell!? Why did you kill those innocent people at the shrine! But this is a good way to show what war is like, theres death on both those that can and can't fight happening on both sides.

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Dec 24, 2010 2:02 PM

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StormViruz said:
Yay. I didn't notice that. Anyway, my suspicion was still right.. :D

Thnx BTW..

No problem. Glad to help.

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Unless I missed it, I don't understand Moroi's take on shiki--meaning why he is going so far for Sunaco and why he was even at the house. Didn't he go on his own?

I said it before and I'm saying it again, where is Natsuno? I thought he'd have a much bigger part in the series.

Yes, Muroi went there of his own free will. I want to say he's taking a neutral stance, but I can't say that since he is directly helping the Shiki by protecting Sunako. I think he just kind of wants everyone to stop the killing. He seems to sympathize with the Shiki and their situation since he's a monk and all. I find it kind of weird that he's helping the ones responsible for all the deaths in the village, though. Maybe he has a soft spot for Sunako since he befriended her before he knew she was a shiki. Maybe a manga reader can shed more light on it for you.

As for Natsuno, I think he's doing things behind the scenes. An example this episode is how he controlled Seishirou, making him take out a Jinrou. Although I wish he'd have a little more direct intervention in the story, I think he has to be careful since the villagers are out on patrol looking for shiki. He is, after all, known to be deceased.
Dec 24, 2010 2:38 PM
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alexcampos said:
YuliLake said:
If Sunako dies, i will cry!

Villagers are the worst.


Yeah, because obviously it was the villagers who started the killing, right?

Sunako will most likely survive, while the village will probably be destroyed by all the people who have given into insanity and paranoia.

Either way, the ending is very obvious and predictable at this point.


No the shiki started the killing
hundreds of people were dead before the episode 18
edit: oh wait were you being sarcastic?
Dec 24, 2010 2:41 PM

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Nice ep.

Those folks are crazy. They go all the time covered in blood and a pile of bodies doesn't bother them. After all, is the perfect setting for a meal and tea. I wonder if Sunako finally manages to escape. Another issue is whether they will be some consequences, killing Shiki may be hidden, but they also kill ordinary people.

There was so many Shiki's, why they didn't do any attack on a large scale?

I knew that Masao was stupid but this is too much.

Seishin probably die but that's to be expected.

I wonder if Yoshie surely die. Tatsumi was stabbed but not killed. I know it's a difference but in the end they are werewolves. Well, unless it was a silver bullet.

Dec 24, 2010 2:49 PM

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The villagers definitely went to far, but when you think about it, it makes sense that they'd do that. They've already killed and have to be constantly ready for the Shiki, that kind of a situation must put a huge strain on your mental stability so props to the makers of Shiki because they really did a good job presenting the aftershocks and whatnot.

I was definitely disappointed when Tohru died though. He was my favorite character, and while I knew he had to die, I just didn't expect his death to be like... That. He just didn't get any closure, heck, he and Natsuno didn't even get reunited after he become a Shiki/Jirou then bam. Dead. Such an anticlimatic one at that. orz I wasn't even sad enough to cry, his death was one of the biggest disappointments of the show for me at the moment.

I do have to say that I appreciated the brilliance of what Natsuno probably did with Seishirou though.
Dec 24, 2010 2:57 PM
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The villagers definitely went to far, but when you think about it, it makes sense that they'd do that. They've already killed and have to be constantly ready for the Shiki, that kind of a situation must put a huge strain on your mental stability so props to the makers of Shiki because they really did a good job presenting the aftershocks and whatnot.

I was definitely disappointed when Tohru died though. He was my favorite character, and while I knew he had to die, I just didn't expect his death to be like... That. He just didn't get any closure, heck, he and Natsuno didn't even get reunited after he become a Shiki/Jirou then bam. Dead. Such an anticlimatic one at that. orz I wasn't even sad enough to cry, his death was one of the biggest disappointments of the show for me at the moment.

I do have to say that I appreciated the brilliance of what Natsuno probably did with Seishirou though.


you should read the manga
tohru and Natsuno met again there before Ritsuo even died the first time
Dec 24, 2010 2:57 PM
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Some people on this board are ridiculous. First when shiki were pwning the humans for 3/4 of the series, people were asking for the humans to realise what was going on. And now that they realised and are retaliating, using their full strength you guys are saying they take it too far? This was bound to happen. This was the only way to eliminate shiki. Sure, some humans died in the process but that is known as collateral damage. Whenever you undertake some drastic measure this will always occur. As for me, this shiki slaughter is delightful. After watching some 18 or so episodes where shiki were using their cunning plans to kill humans without them even knowing. At least shiki get to die together. Some humans had to watch their closest family and friends slowly kill them or the people close to them. They died once, and shiki aren't really alive so this is all to put them in their proper place.
Dec 24, 2010 3:37 PM

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yeah why does everyone like sunako? she is the most annoying anime character ever, not to mention biggest coward/pussy ever.i would go chris brown on her rhianna ass, it just pisses me off how she uses people to survive, she killed many yet she's afraid of death wtf? she should learn from ritsuko, if i was a shiki i would've done wit ritsuko did.
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They can't think properly, thay can only react, because otherwise there's a good chance you get a bullet in your head or a pair of fangs in your neck.


Well I am glad for them that there's noone like lelouch/light on shiki's side.

Some people on this board are ridiculous.


Your Opinion is appreciated.
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The villagers have completely turned to the dark side. At first they were hesitant to kill and now they are killing anybody they deem suspicious. That's just sad.

I was really kind of sad when Touru and that green-headed nurse died. I liked them. I bet if they weren't turned to shiki they probably would have got married in the future.

Lastly, I was really hoping that Natsuno would appear in this episode, but hopefully he'll appear in the last episode.

Can't wait to see how this all ends.
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So,i have calmed down...i can discuss,lol

The intro was brutal and i laughed at the whole ridic situation..."this one is still alive...oh,i am going to stake him...done,let´s have some tea and onigiri with corpses lying around,lolz"

I though the negligé nurse is dead after the wild dogs caught her and i was like:"oh shit,poor Ritsuko and Tohru just let her go and now som fcukin dogs are going to eat her like whatever"
Masao...i am gonna miss you just because your seiyuu is damn amazing...but beside it i almost went to open some champagne so i can celebrate that he is(most likely and hopefully)dead.
Sunako and Tatsumi...why are you still alive...die already.
Gackt...eh,Seishirou...killed(?) the boring chick.He changed his mind thanks to Natsuno?...probably not really willingly:)
Seishin´s father...he just wanted to die...it must have been really horrible for him when he raised from dead. R.I.P
Ritsuko and most importantly Tohru...killing one of my faves characters two times is not nice...have been tearing up again.I thought Natsuno is going to kill him...they would have epic emotional reunion once again...and then they both would die together and my inner yaoi fangirl would be happy...but the screenwrites are trools,boo.(oh,but i have read really pretty Natsuno x Tohru doujin yesterday so i am ok XD)
Now,the villagers are pretty paranoic...but i would be too if some fcukin vampires wanted to take my blood and life.Though,those few men with greek god old dude...i does not aapprove of them killing Seishin´s mom and people in temple...that was pretty disgusting.
Seishin...i am pretty indifferent to him...no hard feelings.
What i forgot?...oh yeah...
WHERE IS KAORI?
Dec 24, 2010 6:20 PM

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I'd actually prefer for Sunako to die :/
Guess I'm a jerk
hope it ends good :) or interesting


Dec 24, 2010 6:21 PM

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Really shows what the human villagers have become, killing their own kind because they thought they were traitors. Ridiculous.
Dec 24, 2010 6:24 PM

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the villagers are kind of out of control but really? no sympathy for Shiki. to think if Ozaki could have convinced them earlier the shiki could have been exterminated with a lot of lives saved. they should ONLY be killing shiki but the hypnosis thing is hard to believe. this is mob mentality though and a fight for survival. if they didn't start fighting back the shiki would have killed everyone.

Tohru and Ritsuko seem dead .... again without meeting up with Natsuno. somewhat disappointing. did the Shiki stop when they murdered all those people? sorry but Sunako should NOT live. she's killed hundreds over the years I'm sure and just kept it up. still can't believe there's only one episode left.... with a lot of questions.

where the hell is Natsuno ? will he fight Tatsumi? isn't Tatsumi strong enough to do anything?

why did Seishirou kill the other werewolf? is he going to do anything?

will that stupid freaky Masao die already? owned by his own sister.

where's Megumi? did she escape or will she meet Natsuno?

whatever happened to Kaori and Akira?

they shouldn't of killed the monk's family as they were innocent but I'm glad that coward shiki loving monk is going to die.
Dec 24, 2010 6:41 PM
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So much blood and killing in this episode o-o poor Muroi :(

I was really sad when I saw that Tohru-chan died ;__; but at least he was with the girl he liked.

Haven't seen much of Natsuno lately >[
Dec 24, 2010 7:23 PM

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I want Sunako, Nasuno, and Megumi to survive.
And I thought by this point Toshio would be alittle more lenient, god damn.


Also, the older brother had a split personality? Didn't see that coming :p
Dec 24, 2010 9:38 PM

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Only female villagers seems to be enjoying the situation. lol
Sunako in a bag is so pedo. lol
I think the preview already show barbarian guy holding Sunako's neck
and about to penetrate her heart. Now only Tatsumi is left to help Sunako. Everybody else is just ordinary zombies. Megumi doesn't look like she'll help her.
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this one is still moving
she picked the hammer and nailed him down ...
ok now let's have a tea party ....

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this was creepy and stupid =(
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Dec 25, 2010 1:36 AM

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I almost cried watching it, very emotional.
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i hate it how the humans has turned into barbarians. killing innocent people. they have turned into the creatures they fear most. in my opinion, they worse than the shikis... most of them has lost their conscience. this series is so fucked up!
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OMG GUYS.....NEXT WEEK ..... T.T
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It was heartbreaking.Hope the fat nurse dies in a fire or something.
Actually,I really want a 'KillEmAll' ending.It'd be really fitting for Shiki.
Also,Tatsumi is really devoted to his loli.At this point,he's probably my favorite character.
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At first they kill Shiki only , now they even kill their own kind with no hesitation. They can trust no one anymore. Sunako , please be safe ><!!! Seishin tries to be the decoy by leading them with his blood stains.

What a brutal episode this is , this show is great , always make me almost unable to control my own tears T_T
Dec 25, 2010 3:23 AM

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Oh my god, how could they kill those monk's parents?! They didn't do anything wrong!

And fucking Seishiro, why'd you do that? D:
If they're going to kill my Sunako, I will rage sooo hard, you don't wanna know.
Please... Let her live. ;_;
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Did NO ONE SEE that Seishirou had friggin' BITEMARKS IN HIS ARM? They showed it so damn clearly? Is everyone watching this with their eyes closed or something?

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Did NO ONE SEE that Seishirou had friggin' BITEMARKS IN HIS ARM? They showed it so damn clearly? Is everyone watching this with their eyes closed or something?



I asked myself the same -.-
I was watching this episode with my friend and he was like : " Why did he do this?"
Are they all blind? Or wtf is wrong with the people who didnt see this.It really was sooo damn clearly


Dec 25, 2010 6:40 AM
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This episode was EPIC, it was so emotional and awesome.. The beginning was kind of funny tho lol.
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I was more surprised that nobody asked why Yasuyo was dressed like that in the middle of the night o_O
Dec 25, 2010 7:31 AM

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I like the realism in this series.
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People hate Shiki because they kill human like us.
(I can understand them at least)

People hope their favorite Shiki make it alive and wish for the rest died.
(I have no idea what is in their mind)

People that can only see that villagers were only doing what was supposed to be done.
(I really don't want to say it)

ariapokoteng said:
wakka9ca said:
ariapokoteng said:

The death of Seishin's relatives, though, is entirely Seishin's fault.


ariapokoteng said:

Again, Seishin's relatives' case is dfferent. Like I said, Seishin did this to them.


So, is it wise to put the ENTIRE blame of Seishin's family massacre on Seishin and not on the villagers that did it? Did the villagers have some kind of moral immunity in your mind?

So, let's say your parents murdered one of my relatives. Then, do I have the right to say that I can kill you because of what your parent did? And there is absolutely no blame on me, really? You deserved it? I don't think putting 100% the blame on Seishin is logical.


The moment Seishin entered his house is the moment he dragged all its inhabitants into the bloodbath.
Villagers have become "hunters". You can say that they are "out of their minds". They can't think properly, thay can only react, because otherwise there's a good chance you get a bullet in your head or a pair of fangs in your neck.
Seishin's family didn't know he's home, and because of that it looked like they're covering for him. And for villagers that ment they were shikis allies, an enemy. And any sign of hostility would be enough for the "hunters" to kill them.
I'm not saying that whichever side is "right" or "wrong". Neither of them is.
But the one who brang hunters to Seishin's house is Seishin himself. You could expect that his relatives might get hurt as the result.
The moment Seishin entered his house was the moment he was being to naive to still put his trust on human.

You use the words "out of their minds" to back the villagers and push the responsibilities on Seishin alone?

Now lets say, there was a hot girl on a night street and there was a man who couldn't control himself after seeing the hot girl on the street and he ended up rapping her after that. Now the man in question told you, as the Judge, that the girl was the one who caused him committed the crime. So what are you going to do now as Judge? Who was the one that was wrong, the man who committed the crime or the girl who was the cause of the crime?
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Dec 25, 2010 8:16 AM
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I was more surprised that nobody asked why Yasuyo was dressed like that in the middle of the night o_O


In the manga it was explained that Tatsumo broke into her house and kidnapped her to throw her in a cell with Ritsuko because they were friends and it was punishment to Ritsuko for not drinking blood
Dec 25, 2010 10:22 AM

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THEY KILLED MY BB TOHRU! HOW DARE THEY?! Fuck the humans now.
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It's only getting worse by now on the "human-side". But next ep is last *_*



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Boring.
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- Tea and onigiri , nothing better as a snack when you're surrounded by corpses !
- R.I.P. kanemasa wolf-girl.
- Masao's sister , please don't fail even at killing that your wimp of a brother-in-law !
- The villagers got used to kill , it was awesome at the beginning but now they're just pathetic pieces of dung thinking they are "justice".
- Sunako , i hope the villagers won't find you but seeing that big spot of blood there's no way in hell you have a chance ...
- Please let Megumi live ... she was an average human but an awesome shiki.
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What happened at the shrine was horrible. That sequence along with the opening tea scene perfectly portrayed the present state of the villagers. Fascinating episode.
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Villagers minds are so lost... in this bloodbath.

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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A realistic ending is a good ending. Though I like Sunako she will most likely die according to the preview.
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Ahhh one more ep to go. Gonna miss this series after.
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I think Ookawa's group need to be taken out. I can't blame the good doctor for people going completely bonkers and killing normal people, but they're just getting out of hand. Still believe Sunako is the villain here, none of this would have happened if she just died in the past. They keep trying to bring this idea up that she's strong and persistent and some white knight vampire but she is totally the cause of all the current suffering in the village.
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