Japanese Anime Producers State TAF 2011 Is Impracticable

klowdz said:
I wonder why people are making such a fuss about this. It has been like this in Hollywood and people just live with it. How many kids/teens have seen R rated movies? I don't mean porn but R rated nevertheless.

While it may give a bit of problems, the people who created manga/anime will learn to live with it and who knows, maybe it will improve some works.Now they won't rely on nudity and things like that for comedy.

And how will it limit creativity? If you have less things to write about or whatever, then you have to do your best to make something worth reading/watching.


If i got something wrong let me know on a comment so we don't go offtopic :P

psy-p said:



this bill don't restricts creativty, it restricts the public that will buy the mangas and animes
if fewer people buy, fewer money comes
if a story will not bring money then it's canceled or don't is published
simple like that

and the mangakas have the right to write about what they want and use what they want in their stories.


but in truth humans have a wierd logic.
a 16 years old guy can wattch scenes with blood, shoots, death and violence even this things being horrible things in reality,
but he can't see scenes with nudity and sex even when he already did it himself or will do soon and many times in his life.
it's very very weird.
(in some places you can drive and vote with 16 years!!!!)
[I don't want to discuss it (here)]

klowdz said:


Being creative means being able to make great stories WITH the restrictions.

IMO, is not right for,specially, shounen animes/mangas to have fanservice. They are targeted at kids/teens which shouldn't be getting that kind of things so early and so often.

Now...I'm sure lots of teens have had sex, watched porn and extreme violence movies but it doesn't that we should just let them read/watch whatever they want just because some of them are doing it anyway.

The bill is trying to protect people from things they shouldn't be watching/reading. Yes it means companies will complain, it means sales for some mangas/animes will lower. But it also means that people (parents) are sure their kids aren't watching things they shouldn't, yet at least.

dtshyk said:
AJA is a group of sixty anime producers such as Studio Ghibli, SUNRISE, Aniplex, Bandai Visual, GAINAX, Satelight, Toei Animation, BONES, MAD HOUSE Studios, Production I.G., Studio DEEN, Geneon, Studio Pierrot, J.C.Staff, GONZO.

klowdz said:
Being creative means being able to make great stories WITH the restrictions.

IMO, is not right for,specially, shounen animes/mangas to have fanservice. They are targeted at kids/teens which shouldn't be getting that kind of things so early and so often.

Now...I'm sure lots of teens have had sex, watched porn and extreme violence movies but it doesn't that we should just let them read/watch whatever they want just because some of them are doing it anyway.

The bill is trying to protect people from things they shouldn't be watching/reading. Yes it means companies will complain, it means sales for some mangas/animes will lower. But it also means that people (parents) are sure their kids aren't watching things they shouldn't, yet at least.

klowdz said:
@psy-p

Yes, you are right. Parents should talk about all that stuff to their kids and chances are they will keep doing those things even if they know they are wrong,they are teenagers, but they DO know that that is wrong and that is what matters. Parents will just lose credibility when they talk to their kids about what's wrong and what isn't if they see all those 'wrong' things everywhere.

It's like smoking, smoking is really really bad but since it is sold everywhere and lots of people do it. Even if you talk to your kids about how wrong smoking is, there is a high chance that they will do it, be it permanently or not, unlike pot which is 'bad/wrong' and there is a lower chance kids will do it.

So, if we make cigars/cigarretes illegal companies won't make money but we know we are making people a bit healthier at least. Though deal for people who like smoking, but they shouldn't in the first place.

@paladin65536

I'm quite confused now..every single taku thinks the bill is wrong and all the anti-otakus think is right, right? Yet i am an otaku and i think is right. I think im looking at this in a whole different way...weird.

Parents can't known for sure what their kids are doing all the time, but knowing that porn is not everywhere and can't be got as easy as getting a candy it's a relief.

With no restrictions and artist is free to do whatever he wants, that doesn't mean he is using his creativity at full power. Restrictions shouldn't help an artist be creative, but they usually do since they later manage to find another ways to tell the same message.

psy-p said:


oh, I get your point
you think that sex is wrong and that a little and swift nudity is porn, but this is not
sex is very right and natural and a little fanservice harms no one
it just needs responsability like all things

and if the childrens do idiot things after the parents talk to them it's all childrens fault, but if the parents don't even bother to talk they will take 99% of the fault.

klowdz said:
I like fanservice but i think people are forgetting about it's purpose,in a way. If you see the same character take her top off every ep, that's not fanservice.