Yosuga no Sora: In Solitude, Where We Are Least Alone. Episode 12 Discussion
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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 196 | 65.55% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 48 | 16.05% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 27 | 9.03% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 11 | 3.68% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 17 | 5.69% |
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12-20-10, 10:32 PM
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Lefake said: As much as I agree with you, I have to say that Kozue had every right to show her hate towards Haru's relation and proclaim hers to see who would win. Fortunately Haru x Sora wins because the bond obviously conquers all barriers, especially the ones of others such as Kozue. What Kozue failed to notice are the key pieces of why their relation is like that, that's where Nao understood better.But what pisses me off so much about this ep is that stupid class rep KOZUE. Unlike Nao, who has quite an amount of redeemable qualities, Class rep was a pure bitch for getting in the way of the twins relationship. The being shocked and tr from seeing such a taboo being commit is one thing, but confessing to him+ telling him not to see her anymore, not accepting her defeat like his other TRUE FRIENDS, and above all, manipulating Haru causing... |
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12-20-10, 10:37 PM
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Maybe it's not weird in japan, BUt i would've been totally angry when both girls open someone elses front door like it was their own home. Meh. Anyway, It didn't feel as AWESOME as I wanted it to be, but I don't really know how could they make it more awesome so nevermind. I liked this arc a lot (and it wasn't really because if the wincest (!)) but since some other arcs were kinda crappy, I'll say.. 8/10 ![]() |
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12-20-10, 10:42 PM
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Good ending. I saw it coming, but who didn't? For this to be a happy ending, getting the hell out of town was the only way that was going to work out for them. Kozue was a cunt through the whole ordeal to the very end. I don't think it was even about her being against the fact they're siblings, she was just being a jealous bitch because she wanted Haru, but Sora won. I'm glad too, good riddance. Sora was alpha as fuck too. ![]() |
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12-20-10, 11:06 PM
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....this episode was odd also it is minor but the animation is sort of really bad... proportions....etc i could raise the point if it was better( |
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12-20-10, 11:18 PM
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12-20-10, 11:35 PM
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Joyce_Steele You've got a nice point, sir! This needs deeper investigation obviously. But how did their classmates receive a text message from Haru and Sora? |
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12-20-10, 11:35 PM
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Very well-done ending. Not bad but not unrealistically good or over-the-top, either. The controversy was handled pretty well while still giving the idea Nao mentioned at the end: "You can't stop yourself from falling in love with someone." No matter who it is. Even though I'm on Sora and Haru's side, I didn't find Kozue annoying at all. Her reaction made sense given her position and perspective and I think it was important to have someone like her in there. 9/10 for this arc, 7/10 overall. |
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12-21-10, 12:03 AM
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LightningRamiel said: -While I don't really agree with Kozue's actions, I still feel that there is at least some level of justification to it. It takes a lot of strength to just smile and say "as long as they're happy" when you find out the person you like doesn't feel for you the same way, so for that reason I have trouble saying she's entirely in the wrong.If nothing else, it's not really her fault for falling for Haruka, or maybe the absurdity (for lack of a better word) of the whole situation traumatized her beyond rational thought. If Kozue's this upset about Haru hooking up with Sora, then the same could've been so had it he hooked up with the other girls,(excluding the running away screaming part and being unable to use incest as an excuse to break them up.) Yet her character is almost completely non-existent in the other arcs. What, she thinks she has a better chance of winning now since sibling romance is forbidden? Kozue can't help falling for Haru, Yes. But since they have never spent any time together like Kazuha, (Her, for example, because she was also a complete stranger to Haru), how could she expect him to even look at her? With her love being one sided and has always stayed that way, trying to break up the guy she likes from his girl is pure selfishness. To me, Kozue is nothing but a mere plot device made especially to get in the way of the twin's relationship. LightningRamiel said: -I found this arc/ending to be pretty good, but I'm still not a big fan of Sora mainly because I felt there wasn't much to her character besides her love for Haruka and her extremely possessive way of showing said love. Maybe it'd be different if I was all "lololol wincest" like some people, but... yeah. If I'm missing something here, do tell. If nothing else I think I would have wanted to see more hesitation on her part regarding her feelings as opposed to just throwing herself at Haru all the time. I guess I just expected more given the buildup I don't blame you for demonizing Sora. I agree that the anime cut the already little character development she has from the VN, and to please someone who isn't into incest, never played (read) the VN, and watches for the plot over fetish fuel, unlike the mindless wincest-lovers out there such as myself, her character has got to be much better than this. Nor do I mind you justifying Nao as she's actually a likable girl with a past which can be overlooked. BUT Kozue? ....I'm glad you don't play the VN cause if you did, you'll have even more reasons to make that stupid class rep look better. Modified by LeFake, 12-21-10, 12:38 AM |
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12-21-10, 12:19 AM
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Joyce_Steele said: I was actually thinking the same thing. And they made no mention of how Sora saved Haru in the water since they were like at least 30 feet under water sinking. It would be improbable to survive that. ![]() |
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12-21-10, 12:51 AM
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Joyce_Steele said: Thats a good observation, I didn't notice it. But that doesn't explain the mail they sent after their "supposed" death. How would you explain that? From what the mail said, it was definitely sent after Haru had found Sora. |
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12-21-10, 12:53 AM
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Lefake said: BUT why Kozue? Why go that far defending someone like her? I suppose I should make myself a bit clearer; I don't mean to defend her, but I can sympathize with her, to a degree. To be fair, I have yet to see the subbed version of this episode and I do not know the exact wording she used, but the way I saw it, it was not so much using incest as an excuse to break Haru and Sora up as much as it was a misguided attempt at "saving" Haruka. While it is not her place to do so in any sense, few things are more powerful and scary than one who believes they are doing the right thing. Of course, if she was just trying to get a slice of the Haru pie, than I can't empathize as much. Regardless of what was really said and her true motivations though, I think you're being too hard on the girl. She's a teenager who walked in on her crush at the worst possible time, which had the unfortunate side effect of bringing out the worst in her. The mind's kind of like a game of Jenga: you never know what's going to bring the whole thing crashing down. I agree that she's little more than a hurdle in this arc, but I think for that reason you should give her a chance in the fandisk to show that she's more than that. Modified by LightningRamiel, 12-21-10, 1:31 AM Ha-cha! |
#32
12-21-10, 1:00 AM
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Freaking unbelievable. I cried. This episode was absolutely amazing. I bumped up the score just based on this episode. The OST made the episode such an emotional rollercoaster, had my heart racing the whole time. What an incredible ending. Thats how you end a freaking anime! Good thing they saved the best arc for last. This and Akira's arc's were definitely my favorites. The first 3 arcs just felt very one-dimensional lust oriented. This arc definitely pleased the romanticist side of me and Haruka felt way more real in this arc. I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did. Big thanks to feel studios for making a great adaptation. Modified by billng, 12-21-10, 1:29 AM |
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12-21-10, 1:01 AM
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LOL Kozue didn't have some piece of Haruka that's why she's so butthurt in the twincest relationship. Gah, you disappoint me Haruka. Why didn't you do her so it's done and over with? Funny also that Sora never cared for most of the part flashing her loli delicious body the whole episode. Omake was extremely hilarious, I laughed so hard when Motoka tripped and those play when she imitated Kozue and the others. Well, for the anime, I gladly enjoyed this and I got my twincest happy fucking ending so 9/10. As for every arc. Twincest > Kazuha > Akira > Nao. |
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12-21-10, 1:14 AM
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I liked the ending, I watched too many sad ending anime recently and its nice to watch something where things turn out good. Overall it was a good episode, at one point I thought they were going to die in the lake and live forever together in peace. And then I thought maybe one of them would die. But it was nice for a happy ending.....a bit sad they left their friends though. Overall I liked the ecchi although I feel a complete perv because of this, and have to watch out when I am watching it lol just incase someone is around haha Inarius said: I wonder what they'll include in the blu'ray's that's not already shown in the anime....i'd rofl if they make the blu ray's hentai There are 4 bluray releases with 3 episodes in each. With each bluray there is one bonus full length episode, except in the last one where the special edition is released one week early and contains two full length bonus episodes. That means 5 bonus episodes total. The first bluray is released tommorrow so we should have them available for download within a week or so I am guessing for BR first 3 ep 8-9/10 for this anime from me. ![]() |
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12-21-10, 1:46 AM
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2weeke said: Joyce_Steele said: Thats a good observation, I didn't notice it. But that doesn't explain the mail they sent after their "supposed" death. How would you explain that? From what the mail said, it was definitely sent after Haru had found Sora. Wished we would've seen how they got out of that situation... maybe Sora was actually a good swimmer and changed her mind about dying with Haru. |
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12-21-10, 1:48 AM
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Joyce_Steele said: Additional things I noticed: |
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12-21-10, 1:58 AM
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And another one bites the dust, meaning this is the second anime i've been watching this season to end D: (First was the Oremo thing with Kirino) I thought the episode was pretty good. I won't lie that I'm against the incest stuff, just cuz I have a sis and it'd make me puke if i had that kinda relationship with her -.-. But seeing Sora in her "form" makes it acceptable. I thought the class rep kinda came out of nowhere in this episode, but her being there just made me think wow Haru what are you gonna do. Also yay for maid and haru hooking up in the end!!! + for being Sora arc in general and i'm hoping there is bonus episodes or something coming soon - for sora getting falcon slapped by Haru, I was like OH NO YOU DIDNT HARU, DO THAT AGAIN AND I"MA KILLZ YOU O_O |
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12-21-10, 2:02 AM
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EMChamp said: Joyce_Steele said: Additional things I noticed: well heres my theroy. Sora and Haruka are indeed dead. I completely agree on you on all those facts as for the test message plot hole i think i have an explanation. Sora and haruka would have drowned in the lake behind akira's shrine and Akira would have found the bodies. The person she would tell would of course be her half sister Kazuha and she would have made up that text which explains why she was the only 1 who received a message. Also u can kinda tell by the expressiosn on Akira and Kazuha's face near the end. On a side note. did any1 figure out what that flashback with Akira have to do with the story near the end when Haruka was looking for sora |
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12-21-10, 2:19 AM
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Lefake said: BUT why Kozue? Why go that far defending someone like her? Wait I thought I already edited that line...Gaah never mind. LightningRamiel said: I suppose I should make myself a bit clearer; I don't mean to defend her, but I can sympathize with her, to a degree. To be fair, I have yet to see the subbed version of this episode and I do not know the exact wording she used, but the way I saw it, it was not so much using incest as an excuse to break Haru and Sora up as much as it was a misguided attempt at "saving" Haruka. While it is not her place to do so in any sense, few things are more powerful and scary than one who believes they are doing the right thing. Of course, if she was just trying to get a slice of the Haru pie, than I can't empathize as much. Actually she didn't really say anything along the lines of "incest is wrong, that's why break up" or anything. Truth is I was just implying that she was using it as an excuse from how she doesn't interfere with Haru until he started seeing his sister, and how she was okay with Nao but not Sora. Still, I can see your point up there. Maybe she really was trying to save him from being a societal outcast, but that doesn't mean she can't profit from the side benefit as well. I believe her intentions were mixed. Regardless of what was really said and her true motivations though, I think you're being too hard on the girl. She's a teenager who walked in on her crush at the worst possible time, which had the unfortunate side effect of bringing out the worst in her. I agree that she's little more than a hurdle in this arc, but I think for that reason you should give her a chance in the fandisk to show that she's more than that. Sigh... I may be the one unfair for letting my VN experience influence my judgment while arguing about the Anime. I'd just like to say that Kozue in the VN left me a better image of her, at least better than this.(She had some good parts from the VN I don't wanna to spoil) But hated her back then too, so you were right about my unreasonably excessive grudge for her. |













