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12-12-10, 5:55 AM

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Anime and Manga Regulation Bill passed the assembly on December 15th.

Source: Niconico News
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According to the official blog of Ito Masaki, one of the members of Tokyo Metropolitan assembly, the ruling party DPJ has decided to approve the anime and manga regulation bill. Other two major parites have already approved the bill, so it will pass the assembly on December 15th. DPJ agreed with the bill on condition that the resolution will be made with a collateral claim for a careful operation of the regulation. However, the collateral claim is not legally binding. The regulation will be enforced on July 1st 2011.

Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.

Sources: Ito Masaki's blog, Takaku's tweet, Meiji's tweet, Sankei, Mainichi, Yomiuri
Related topic: Ten Major Manga Publishers To Boycott Tokyo International Anime Fair


Note: Self-regulation of books including manga has been done by Publishing Ethics Council since 1963. Designation of adult manga is done by this council, which was established by publishers and distributors. The supporters of the regulation bill insist that the self-regulation is insufficient.
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As Japan giveth, so Japan taketh away.
 
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I have a feeling that after what happens to those 2 above, happens to more Mangaka. Public will start raging.
 
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I have a feeling that after what happens to those 2 above, happens to more Mangaka. Public will start raging.

yep, my thoughts exactly....everybody will hop on the ragetrain
 
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Thus the effect of the bill is already apparent:

Works portraying anything considered against the healthy development of youth (sexually and socially) will be adult only. In other words, most work will probably not be published due to a lack of audience. So it basically hurts even the manga that covers the topic but does not necessarily promote it. I am afraid that the artist will be afraid to touch the "sensible" topics. While this is not as bad as the Chinese Internet Censorship (Harmonious Society), the idea sounds frighteningly similar.

As a side note, homosexuality can no longer be portrayed sexually since apparently Japan does not support homosexual union.

While rape and extreme topics should be adult-only, the bill is STILL very VAGUE and subjective to interpretation. It basically says Tokyo can do whatever they want....

And what is this? Next Shounen Jump will be adult-only because it positively portrays violence and incite violent crimes? What a load of BS.

And also, for those who think it only affect minors buying manga, you're wrong. It affects the artists/authors themselves so it means less "controversial" topics in manga will be covered since the target audience just shrunk by a good margin. IRONIC because TV series, live-action, porn and hentai are NOT AFFECTED AND NOT COVERED by the bill. This just demonstrates how ambiguous this bill is. Not that I am 100% against it, but I think it could possibly fatal to the creative process of the industry.
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So let me get this straight, according to this part of a article:
This bill does not target simple nudity and panties showing up on the screen, but will make it more difficult to conduct social commentary on difficult issues of sex and relationships since fictional material must adhere to real life criminal codes AND not celebrate relationships between people who can’t marry in real life, or their material may be considered harmful to minors.

Source: https://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/sound-off-overseas-input-on-the-bill-156-wanted-2/

Ecchi as a whole is not affected but we can't have themes like incest as a plot anymore?
Aww well, if ecchi can remain then i guess this shouldn't be very bad......

Tho the bill is gonna cause A LOT of rage in the public......
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this ain't good...
 
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thats just stupid .

What is the problem ?
 
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T_T.....
Not happy AT ALL, only good thing is this will probably stop the stupid ecchi shows that keep popping up these days I STILL do love ecchi though :(...

Wonder whats gonna happen to the already airing anime/manga now...

Tyranid5 said:
I have a feeling that after what happens to those 2 above, happens to more Mangaka. Public will start raging.


True, the Otaku ain't gonna keep quite for long, that's for sure...

AND the industry is gonna suffer pretty bad from this...
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12-12-10, 6:37 AM

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I'm quite divided on this matter. On one hand, I'm quite happy that the Bill is going to restrict the really perverse stuff and make it harder for young kids to get hold of. On the other hand, some manga tackle relationship issues really well and if those are cancelled, then the industry is going to suffer
 
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What the **** !!!!????
 
12-12-10, 6:45 AM

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There will be blood...
 
12-12-10, 6:55 AM

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Hop on the nice boat. Wait, that's a bad reference.

Anyway, The Ragetrain is going to arrive now that the bill has passed legislation.

(Wait, does this really mean few ecchi shows that is based on a high-school setting?)


 
12-12-10, 6:58 AM

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well they won't lose the great culture

but they will lose a great part of it
 
12-12-10, 6:59 AM

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There goes most of the actually "interesting" series :S


 
12-12-10, 7:17 AM

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FUCK YOU REGULATION FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU JAPAN FUCKKKKKKKKKKK

I am vehemently angry right now. I think the side effects of people breaking shit out of rage from the bill might cause more harm than whatever is being censored.

God frigging damn it thermonuclear fire
 
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so no more School Days in the future? :(

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12-12-10, 7:42 AM

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They should really worry about important stuff like the low birthrate or the economy rather than being self-righteous bastards.
 
12-12-10, 7:54 AM

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Meh, boycotting gone fuck itself.
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12-12-10, 8:26 AM

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Well, I'm not so sad about this. X2
We'll see what happens.
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12-12-10, 8:29 AM

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This is ridiculous.
 
12-12-10, 8:38 AM

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Can someone provide information about how Japanese people feel about this whole matter? I understand that most of the people here are enraged by the bill but I simply can't imagine otaku protesting against it.
 
12-12-10, 8:40 AM

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It's simple.

We, uh.

Kill the parties.
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dtshyk said:
Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.
Good example. They won't be missed.
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Antanaru said:
dtshyk said:
Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.
Good example. They won't be missed.


It's not these mangaka specifically, it's just that it's so early in the bills approval process and authors are already being censored is what the problem is here.
 
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every single alphabet of this post is just stupid.
 
12-12-10, 9:24 AM

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TreF said:
It's simple.

We, uh.

Kill the parties.
Brilliant.

On topic, I'm not quite sure what I think about this.

Kirino-phan said:
Ecchi as a whole is not affected but we can't have themes like incest as a plot anymore?

I really don't think that's a bad thing.

Kirino-phan said:
Tho the bill is gonna cause A LOT of rage in the public......

Of that I have no doubt.
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to hell with that!
 
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Those vague terms like provoking violence, suicide or affecting healthy development of the youth are NOT changed or added in this modification because they existed LONG AGO. They have been in effect since like 70s.

Incest without clear sex scenes may Not be affected. You can make comic with incest component in the story but must avoid frank Sex Scenes if you want to sell it to MINORs. Same for RAPE and other SEX CRIMES. It makes perfect sense.

The publishers are over-reacting because they think that may affect their Income.
Some of them have been having reds in consecutive years.

Some works which are not classified as hentai definitely have problems as many of us already noticed.

As for porn, they are of less concern as you can hardly buy them as a teenager already. The regulation is targeted at those super borderline acg stuff sold a convenient stores or from vending machines.
 
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It seems these days there are bad news everywhere.
 
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This sucks...
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Colonel_Mustard said:
Kirino-phan said:
Ecchi as a whole is not affected but we can't have themes like incest as a plot anymore?

I really don't think that's a bad thing.
You don't think restricting free speech is a bad thing? lol
 
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FF-FANATIC said:
It seems these days there are bad news everywhere.


Tell me about it.
 
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while I understand that maybe a little bit of regulation is needed, and acceptable, they are going to far with their restrictions of this stuff, and everyone else is now being forced into making a big deal of this, hopefully they decide the redefine the outlines of what they want so its clearer, and not so restrictive



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bottle said:

As for porn, they are of less concern as you can hardly buy them as a teenager already. The regulation is targeted at those super borderline acg stuff sold a convenient stores or from vending machines.
While yes it is targeted at that, the language of the bill itself leaves all the power of censorship on the hands of the government which means that it's not some clear-cut thing, it's subjective to what some old geezers completely alien to the industry say. This bill basically holds the entire industry hostage to the whims of politicians.

Don't get me wrong I'm fine with some restrictions, what with how much borderline hentai anime has been released over the years, but it needs to have clear and arbitrary guidelines that made it clear what is and isn't acceptable. If it's not clear from the get-go what is and isn't okay then obviously publishers will take less and less risks and ussually the works that suffer the most are the ones dealing with risky social issues (which due to it's very nature tends to be shocking). Ecchi will always find ways to survive, they can always cut out the risky scenes and put them in DVD/BD, so the one genre people were hoping was gonna die down with this will likely not even be hurt.

 
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Oh, that sucks. Big time. I'm hoping for the best, and that they realize what they actually are doing, though.
 
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Damn it sucks, I just hope they just don`t care about the bill and let everything be as they are and continues.

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doesn't worry me much, since I am not a big ecchi fan. must suck for those who will be affected, but not me. i prefer mature story over mature content anyways. :/

 
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Leon-Gun said:

they can always cut out the risky scenes and put them in DVD/BD


Except that if they do, those discs will only be able to be sold in adult stores, causing sales to drop drastically, likely to the point where the shows simply won't be made in the first place.
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bottle said:
Those vague terms like provoking violence, suicide or affecting healthy development of the youth are NOT changed or added in this modification because they existed LONG AGO. They have been in effect since like 70s.

Incest without clear sex scenes may Not be affected. You can make comic with incest component in the story but must avoid frank Sex Scenes if you want to sell it to MINORs. Same for RAPE and other SEX CRIMES. It makes perfect sense.

The publishers are over-reacting because they think that may affect their Income.
Some of them have been having reds in consecutive years.

Some works which are not classified as hentai definitely have problems as many of us already noticed.

As for porn, they are of less concern as you can hardly buy them as a teenager already. The regulation is targeted at those super borderline acg stuff sold a convenient stores or from vending machines.


completely agree with this. I think everybody is overreacting.

Leon-Gun said:

Don't get me wrong I'm fine with some restrictions, what with how much borderline hentai anime has been released over the years, but it needs to have clear and arbitrary guidelines that made it clear what is and isn't acceptable.


I completely agree with this as well, but the problem is how are they going to clearly define something that can easily be side-stepped or bended with even a bit of creativity. There are so many ways to turn an anime into those semi hentais and avoid strict definitions...I mean, the industry has some very creative (and naughty) minds, honestly. I Believe they are specifically targeting those anime that have heavy sexual content but still manage to escape definition-based regulations (HSOTF, although I've only heard about it).
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I believe that the law will be challenged and struck down in The Supreme Court of Japan and if it isn't then the manga and anime industries will move to Osaka and Kyoto, where they still believe in Freedom of expression and speech.

 
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akai-kitsune said:
They should really worry about important stuff like the low birthrate or the economy rather than being self-righteous bastards.

They've tried everything but nothing seems to work. Plus recently somebody said that their job was as easy as remembering 2 phrases so they need to look busy
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well they won't lose the great culture
but they will lose a great part of it

TreF said:
It's simple.

We, uh.

Kill the parties.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If it's that simple why haven't you done it already?
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good bye bleach dragon ball etc even naruto ........................................ huhhuhuhuh no more exciting parts ......... no more freedom of expression for the authors ..
 
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The end of the world is near...
 
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Leon-Gun said:
. Ecchi will always find ways to survive, they can always cut out the risky scenes and put them in DVD/BD, so the one genre people were hoping was gonna die down with this will likely not even be hurt.


Even if they put the risky scenes only on BD/DVD, according to the new law only those over 18 will be allowed to buy the discs, resulting in higher prices per disc and overall lower sales.
 
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So will this affect Ayashi no Ceres even though its been out for like 10 years?? So does this affect anime/manga that has already been completed and out for a while now or is it only for upcoming and ongoing series??
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Roloko said:
So will this affect Ayashi no Ceres even though its been out for like 10 years?? So does this affect anime/manga that has already been completed and out for a while now or is it only for upcoming and ongoing series??


My guess is that any reprints or re-releases of old manga and anime WILL be affected.
 
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Dead God, please don't let this pass.
 
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Roloko said:
So will this affect Ayashi no Ceres even though its been out for like 10 years?? So does this affect anime/manga that has already been completed and out for a while now or is it only for upcoming and ongoing series??


My guess is that any reprints or re-releases of old manga and anime WILL be affected.

Then that means I have to try and finish my Ceres collection before then since thats the only anime I really love that had sex scenes or implied sex scenes in it.
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god.... i can JCP wasn't in favor of this!!! hopefully it will hurt people enough to get it repealed.... like prohibition...
thank goodness, the Japanese Communist Party was opposed.....
ugh.... so manga and anime will be loosing like what, 90% of all its content to this bill?

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