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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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4 out of 5: Liked it
 
17 16.83%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
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2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
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03-07-11, 2:45 AM

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Isn't it obvious that she died? Throughout all the manga, their last moments together were mentioned. While he was having sex with her, she was already dead. Pay attention to how limp she was. And to the title of the manga.

IMO, the fact she apparently died while they were doing it is quite... disturbing, yet acceptable when looking at the content of the manga.

Though I didn't expect the author to show him with another woman. It was kind of making me mad. :D

The ending, although technically sad, is genuinely actually happy ending. I'm so glad I read this.
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03-07-11, 2:45 AM

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Isn't it obvious that she died? Throughout all the manga, their last moments together were mentioned. While he was having sex with her, she was already dead. Pay attention to how limp she was. And to the title of the manga.

IMO, the fact she apparently died while they were doing it is quite... disturbing, yet acceptable when looking at the content of the manga.

Though I didn't expect the author to show him with another woman. It was kind of making me mad. :D

The ending, although technically sad, is genuinely actually happy ending. I'm so glad I read this.
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03-07-11, 5:07 PM

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Klabautermann said:
Isn't it obvious that she died? Throughout all the manga, their last moments together were mentioned. While he was having sex with her, she was already dead. Pay attention to how limp she was. And to the title of the manga.

IMO, the fact she apparently died while they were doing it is quite... disturbing, yet acceptable when looking at the content of the manga.

Though I didn't expect the author to show him with another woman. It was kind of making me mad. :D

The ending, although technically sad, is genuinely actually happy ending. I'm so glad I read this.
I agree with you, but I don't think she died when they were actually doing it, she was just really weak. Not that it matters a lot though, wheter she got a load alive, or dead, it was a token of love either way. But Hideo would kinda go to jail after bringing back a dead Kurumi to the hospital with semen on her body. Or am I underestimating the Roman club? Possibly.

If you liked Sundome, I advise you to also read Ciguatera, there are quite a few similarities between the two.
 
03-08-11, 4:29 PM

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For the people who read the last volume, Some of you may have caught the MC saying something that comes along these lines:

"For some reason, I really feel that my back is always heavy"

This should give a glimpse to the fact that Sahana is still there, my reference happens to be the climax of a movie called Shutter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKSe0nwQLQ
 
03-22-11, 2:20 PM

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I actually re-read it a few minutes ago and I noticed that when Hideo says he could jerk off, Kurumi whispers something in his ear. In my opinion, what she whispers is the last line that appears on the chapter (when I wake up, lets have sex). This actually makes sense, because they have sex and it wouldn't be too smart to put that line after they did it, not to mention that it looks like it has quotation marks. This is my theory, at least.
 
03-28-11, 12:55 PM

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I hate this series. I hate it so very very much. It's not bad. Quite the opposite.
I saw bad ending comming from the first couple of volumes. And when I doubted or started to have a little hope it crushed it. Again and again. I hate it so much. I need something pink and fluffy right now to ease the pain.
I started to cry when club members offered their help. I stopped some time after I finished reading and then cried some more. And it's very very rare for me. Especially while reading manga.
I hate it.
 
03-29-11, 12:22 PM

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dammit.... and i was sugar coating my mind, telling that the woman she's with is kurumi... this is why i sometimes hate forums... waaaaaaaaaaah~


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04-02-11, 6:07 AM

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This forum post is handy :o
 
04-13-11, 10:29 PM

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i still have some questions, did she have aids or something, if she died before he finished then wouldn't that make him a necrophiliac, and why such a sad ending?
 
04-18-11, 11:09 PM

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At first I thought it was Kurumi at the end, but then I noticed a mole on the woman's face. The whole, alum talking to the hospital director about causing problems did sorta add to the notion Kurumi died during that expedition.

I have no idea what exactly happened though...so did they have sex or was that a dream too? Hideo is a resident still talking to that alum so I assume he didn't have sex with her.
 
04-19-11, 10:19 PM

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I've never found my self rereading the end of something HOPING I missed something. Some sort of context clue, anything that would have made the outcome seem different than what it was. This seriously got me in a rather deep way. Definately one of the most depressing endings I've every read in a story, but also one of the best. Goes to show a happy ending doesn't have to be all rainbows and candy.

I think the moment that got to me the most in this story was when she was suffocating him till he passed out and he had really figured out that she was going to die then. He hoped she would take him with her and she tells him that she won't.



As for the people saying they were having sex, no they weren't. She was giving him a hand job. Which also covers the part where people think she was dead for those panels.

For the people asking what it was, it was never confirmed but in all likely hood it was AIDs. Excessive nosebleeds, severe pain, loss of hair, and her refusal to have intercourse with him all point to it. The only things that point away from that theory is the fact he licked her blood while it was still rather fresh and was drinking her pee.
 
04-25-11, 9:31 PM

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To be honest, I made this account to talk about this manga, because I can't really talk about this kind of stuff with people I know in real life, except I feel better if I tell a bunch of strangers throughout the Internet... That is so weird... Anyway, I have to be honest again when I say, " I started to tear up in the last few chapters of this manga. I was also expecting a tragic ending, and I was somewhat hopeful to read what really happened but I'm also glad they made a happy ending. This manga made me realize that, I want to meet a person like Kurumi Sahana, and be in the situation Hideo was in. Not as extreme as to having the one i love terminally ill, but i just seemed to like their relationship, and I'm not into domination and stuff like that. Does that make me seem weird? And don't troll me because of this, because if you've read the manga and if you've read this far into the story, you probably have some empathy for what I'm saying.:/ well I felt I had to get that off my chest. And anyone who agrees that, there needs to be more of this series, I'd like to know what others think.
 
04-25-11, 9:32 PM

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To be honest, I made this account to talk about this manga, because I can't really talk about this kind of stuff with people I know in real life, except I feel better if I tell a bunch of strangers throughout the Internet... That is so weird... Anyway, I have to be honest again when I say, " I started to tear up in the last few chapters of this manga. I was also expecting a tragic ending, and I was somewhat hopeful to read what really happened but I'm also glad they made a happy ending. This manga made me realize that, I want to meet a person like Kurumi Sahana, and be in the situation Hideo was in. Not as extreme as to having the one i love terminally ill, but i just seemed to like their relationship, and I'm not into domination and stuff like that. Does that make me seem weird? And don't troll me because of this, because if you've read the manga and if you've read this far into the story, you probably have some empathy for what I'm saying.:/ well I felt I had to get that off my chest. And anyone who agrees that, there needs to be more of this series, I'd like to know what others think.
 
04-25-11, 9:56 PM

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Hanaji said:
For the people who read the last volume, Some of you may have caught the MC saying something that comes along these lines:

"For some reason, I really feel that my back is always heavy"

This should give a glimpse to the fact that Sahana is still there, my reference happens to be the climax of a movie called Shutter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKSe0nwQLQ


Yes I understand!! I re-read the manga and Hideo Aiba says "when my head starts to hang,... If I tighten it here like this, it feels like this part here's being pulled." let me explain for some who don't understand.. When his head hangs, like in the shutter reference, there is Sahana sitting on his shoulders. When he tightens his neck and tries to straighten it out, he points to his chin and says it feels it is being pulled. Imagine if your sitting on someone's shoulders and they stand up as straight as they can... You try to grab onto something to prevent from falling right? the only thing available is the chin. OooOoOoOoO that is sorta creepy! But an awesome reference. Thank you OP for enlightening me and showing me the reference. I think Okada Kazuto is a good writer and I would like to see more of this series. Maybe after Katsun's wedding, some incidences start to arise, I just don't know what though, maybe Hideo will hallucinate and start seeing Sahana! maybe....
 
04-26-11, 3:04 PM

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I'd be happy with another story about a Roman Club. Similar yet different story would be fine, just keep the writing style the same.
 
04-28-11, 11:56 AM

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This manga will sit in my gut for days -very powerful stuff. I found myself wandering the net trying to get a handle on the feelings that this story welled up and found a review at animeworld very insightful and mirrored many of my thought and feeling of the story. http://blog.animeworld.com/tag/sundome/

Along the lines of animeworld blog, I see the ending scene on pages 14 through 22 (where Aiba is at the beach with Sahana) as not chronological but flashbacks while Aiba having sex with her lifeless body (whether she died during to the act is upto debate). It is not emotionally satisfying; however, the interpretation makes sense from Aiba's character arc, as the entire story pushed the fact that he "belonging to her and desiring her completely no matter what condition she was in".

Anyone else find the blogs rant useful in their understanding/interpretation?

edited for emphasis -dbcold
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05-02-11, 1:38 AM

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I think that the last moments with Sahana, Aiba was still a virgin. While they were lying together at the beach, when Aiba came, he came on her, not in her, with the high possibly of no penetration. This could also lead to Sahana's "When I wake up let's have sex." But she doesn't (;´д` ) and so he remains a cherry.

If you notice, after the time skip, Aiba is working in the hospital with the OB director. It seems that he stayed a promised virgin for his high school years and was able to use the "backing of the OB" to fulfill his dream.
 
05-02-11, 6:31 AM

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cowgirled763 said:
I think that the last moments with Sahana, Aiba was still a virgin. While they were lying together at the beach, when Aiba came, he came on her, not in her, with the high possibly of no penetration. This could also lead to Sahana's "When I wake up let's have sex." *snip*


Cowgirl, I appreciate your interpretation. I have mulled over that last scene for some time and never achieved closure with other interpretations (or mine for that matter) but your fulfills that nicely...no, beautifully.

The biggest issue I had with the ending scenes was a matter of consent; throughout the chapters Aiba and Sahana relationship was always consensual. So for him to have intercourse or even sexual intimacy with her lifeless body either during or after (as other blog sites have suggested *shudders*) made the ending too violent -breaching their relationship rules (or more aptly "collars") of consent. But yours is elegant, I now can view the intimacy scenes as them sharing a last embrace with Sahana being very weak but not yet passed on.

Thanks ^^
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05-22-11, 12:48 PM

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I saw this coming, but I did not realize how empty I would feel after finishing this. Wow. I mean damn. The girl of his dreams that helped him grow into a man and let loose and accept him for all his fetishes dies. So fucking sad. Rage!
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05-27-11, 11:52 AM

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So she did die right?
 
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