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Dec 10, 2010 1:14 PM

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Megumi's still funny as hell.
Best quote of the day->''Chizuru was my bitch''.
I actually dunno if this was funny,nostalgic,sad,brutal,fabulous,hawt,ingenious or atmospheric.Maybe all of them.
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Dec 10, 2010 1:29 PM

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Oh, it's on, babeh! Can't wait until next week!
 
Dec 10, 2010 2:10 PM

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Orulyon said:
Pity for Sunako? maybe. But then if it was for that, i will dislike him even more, because he didnt feel any pity for humans and when his best friend needed his help he turned his back on him. Iam wrong?
Im still hoping he will at least redeem himself with Ozaki. Otherwise ill keep my opinion that he is indeed useless.

But thats only my opinion, and ofc, we all have different opinions...

Yeah, I've had enough of Seishin. He's done absolutely nothing throughout the show except give opinions on the situation. I can't believe he chose to side with Sunako instead of his best friend, Toshio. Like you, I am also hoping he will somehow redeem himself in these last few episodes.

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There was that part towards the end of the episode where Sunako and Seishin were talking about Seishin's book and that the brother had killed in order to live. I think that statement was the "theme" of the episode, if not the whole series. The shiki kill humans in order to live, and now the humans are killing shiki so that they in turn won't be killed. Basically, it seems to be one big killing cycle that raises a lot of moral questions and obviously makes for an awesome storyline. :D

Didn't Sunako basically want to wipe out a village and replace all the once human villagers with Shiki villagers? That doesn't sound like killing to survive, that sounds like murdering for an ambition.

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Nice ep. I'm just waiting until someone kills Megumi I will not be sorry for that.


But then who will slap Masao around? ^_^. I do so enjoy when she does that

Mmhmm. We definitely need someone to give him a good kick in the face every once in a while. "Let's run away together"? Lol, not on your life. Also, Sunako and Shimizu wear such awesome clothes. They really need to give Tatsumi some advice. These last two episodes he has not looked good at all. :P

The war starts. I can't wait. There's only 3 episodes left - is that really enough to finish this off well? I hope so. If not, I would love a second season, but I doubt we'll get one as it seems we'll have a rushed finish for this one. Anyways, it's an amazing show, and I'll miss it when it ends.
 
Dec 10, 2010 2:24 PM

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anyone who outlives Masao is a winner in my book XD

what is going on with Tatsumi's wardrobe, it's been so odd these last couple eps
that old guy and megumi's dad were total badasses in this one!
 
Dec 10, 2010 3:04 PM

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i realy hope Seishin gets killed... preferably in a by the doctor, in a violent way...
i want to see Akira again... whats he doin? chances are he's risen by now... O.o?
and did Kaori kill her dad?



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Dec 10, 2010 3:10 PM

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codename mushi-okuri xD

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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Dec 10, 2010 3:32 PM

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shit got (more) real!
Ha-cha!
 
Dec 10, 2010 3:53 PM

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Wooooo go humans! Great episode.

gaga got OWNED.

I enjoyed seeing the many diff characters and how they are affected by this "purge"...

Ozaki is the MAN. The animators may be trying to get the message across that there's 2 sides to every coin... by drawing the villagers so severely... I don't feel sorry for the shiki though. at all.

How is this going to end?!
 
Dec 10, 2010 4:24 PM

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Loved it! But whats happened to akira - i miss him and his strange hair! I want him to be alive & human :)
 
Dec 10, 2010 5:00 PM

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This is going to be a 3 episode hunt. Awesome.
 
Dec 10, 2010 6:03 PM

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epic. this ep was full of win:
1. sunakos wicked cute dresses
2. annoying muroi is going to die
3. megumi is awesome as always. wished she was wearing a more badass outift tho
4. kaori doing the first useful thing she has this entire season
5. tatsumi's onesie!!!!

NEEDS MORE NATSUNO! where is he????
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Dec 10, 2010 6:54 PM

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Great episode! Loved every second of it! (^_^) Ozaki is giving out pain! Just what the doctor ordered! Judging from the preview, we see Natsumi next week in a bit of a frantic scenario. Looking forward to the next!
 
Dec 10, 2010 7:21 PM

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As usual, great episode and Sunako's fashion sense always amaze me! She looks so cute!
I still can't believe that Kaori is still assuming that Megumi is gonna come and kill her but I doubt it on last week's episode.

And now, the hunt begins...
 
Dec 10, 2010 7:47 PM

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Considering Fuyumi Ono's degree is in Buddhist Studies, it would not surprise me one bit if Seishin is a bit of her own criticism of some of the core buddhists beliefs.

That said, yet another awesome episode. My favorite part was probably Megumi roundhouse kicking Masao in the face.
 
Dec 10, 2010 7:47 PM

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Sigh. People who hate Seishin clearly do not understand him. Too long to explain, but nice episode.

We finally start to see the "beast-like" side of the humans, to show that there isn't a single difference between the humans and the shikis.

So Seishin's siding with the Shiki is his choice. And form a neutral POV there is nothing wrong or loathsome about that.
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Dec 10, 2010 8:21 PM

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Neverarine said:
i realy hope Seishin gets killed... preferably in a by the doctor, in a violent way...
i want to see Akira again... whats he doin? chances are he's risen by now... O.o?
and did Kaori kill her dad?


I think Natsuno has him in hiding, maybe. That's how Tatsumi seems to have taken it, and he has a good reason to think that.

Seishin looks like he is on his deathbed as it is anyway, so he'll probably die one way or another, maybe. He doesn't appear to have any strength to fight back at least.
 
Dec 10, 2010 8:22 PM

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No logical, rational explanation of Seishin Muroi can ever explain his irrational, stupid behavior. Might as well divide by zero.

This is not "beast-like" behavior by humans. Not everyone are forced to kill shiki. In the shiki's case, they have to drink blood lest they die.

If you play Fallout: New Vegas, humans in this show are the NCR; the shiki are Caesar's Legion. Both have their faults (the NCR also have that Bitter Springs massacre) yet they're worlds better than Caesar's Legion.
 
Dec 10, 2010 8:49 PM

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So the war between shiki and humans have now begun. Chizuru death was kind of hard to watch and I'm not afraid to admit that I flinched a bit. I wonder what is Natsuno's role is in this war?
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Dec 10, 2010 9:17 PM

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I feel like I must be one of the only people who actually like Seishin. I mean, if your a suicidal monk who's had a suckage life and a go with it type of personality, chances are if you meet a loli who can actually sympathize with you, you're gonna join her vampire brigade. :x

And I absolutely love Tatsumi's wardrobe. At first I was like WTH. And then I was like AAWWW YEAAAAAHHH! YEAH TATSUMIIII!
 
Dec 10, 2010 9:51 PM

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payback time you shiki bastards! finally, most of the village fights back. crazed mob mentality. poor Kaoru though .... after everything that poor girl has really lost it. as much as I hate Megumi, seeing her make fun of and beat up that creepy idiot was great.

I have to respect and like Ritsuko for being one of the few to not give in and sending that other nurse in there to be her victim? that's just cruel and there's no way she'd do that.

where is Natsuno though? he must plan something as I'm sure he's the only one who can really fight the other 2 werewolves.

I love that badass old guy and Ozaki though and I really really hate that cowardly monk. really? your a monk and you'll just sit back and do nothing but condone your village being slaughtered for "survival"? what about the survival of the innocents. I hope someone does kill him. what a pathetic character. I know they want you to feel some sympathy towards the shiki and him but I don't.
 
Dec 10, 2010 9:56 PM

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Urufuzu_rein said:
Megumi's still funny as hell.
Best quote of the day->''Chizuru was my bitch''.
I actually dunno if this was funny,nostalgic,sad,brutal,fabulous,hawt,ingenious or atmospheric.Maybe all of them.


Chizuru was my bitch part made me lol xD
 
Dec 10, 2010 11:15 PM

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lmao @ Tatsumi's outfit xD
 
Dec 10, 2010 11:40 PM

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A rewarding episode.

When Kaori numbly strikes with the bat anyway... just beautiful.
 
Dec 11, 2010 12:01 AM

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Kaori is badass. 'Nuff said. After Akira going missing, and the rest of her family dead, she went crazy but stayed strong.

Megumi is bleh. And so is Sunako. I realize she had a missing past, but if you realize it, she's just being selfish... Seishin is grr...I can't stand him.

This is a great series. Especially, when you feel a bond with each character. That's what makes this series so epic. xD

Oozaki is just awesome albeit a bit heartless... >.<

If they were just living dead not killing humans, I'd feel sympathy for them. But they are killing people and tearing families apart. Them doing that is much worse than the avenging by the humans.

Vampire logic is flawed anyways because what happens when a whole community turns to Vampires and they have no more blood to suck?
 
Dec 11, 2010 12:16 AM

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Ribbit said:
Vampire logic is flawed anyways because what happens when a whole community turns to Vampires and they have no more blood to suck?


They go vegetarian. Like that awful Twilight series so says.
 
Dec 11, 2010 2:25 AM

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Shiki or Human: Who. Will. Win? ^^

My favorite part was definitely when the Doctor went on and on about what he did to his wife and then casually mentioned, "Oh, and I've got the video tapes if you want to see them." Such a glorious bastard.
 
Dec 11, 2010 5:40 AM

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And wow, the scene with Chizuru was brutal. D: Will seishiro (or w/e his name is) avenge her?:p


 
Dec 11, 2010 6:31 AM

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Ozaki is such a badass.

This show is flawless. Depending on the ending it will either get a 9 or 10 from me.
 
Dec 11, 2010 6:49 AM

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Chizuru got owned..

The stake. Oooww.. *feels the pain*

Badass Ozaki is badass..

"Oh, and I've got the video tapes if you want to see them." - WIN

Now, the village are on the shiki hunting..

But I hope the shikis will fight back to make it more interesting..
 
Dec 11, 2010 7:15 AM

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where´s natsuno?
the villagers finally went rampage after accepting the truth.
this episodes was really good. lots of facts got straightened up.
cant help feeling sad for the Sunako though.
 
Dec 11, 2010 7:36 AM

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HE FUCKING KILLED MY CHIZURU. ;_;
If they're going to touch my Sunako...
 
Dec 11, 2010 7:41 AM

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Im sorry but i still cannot agree. Allow me to say my opinion (again, i do not wish to offend the fans).
If it wasn't for him this would be another Vampire vs humans show? with him or without him, this is in fact a vampire x humans show, and a great one. one single character would not change the show, its takes at least two to make a difference.
until now the most exciting scenes were the ones lead by other characters, specially supporting ones.
Also,a person who really wishes to die would not join the shiki, because obviously, there would be 50% chance of becoming a risen.
I do not blame his wish to die, but even Natsuno that also "wants" to be killed like he mentioned before (kill all shikis including himself), even him at least is doing something. The monk limited himself to say philosophical things without explaining the reason why he wants to die, a reason that surpasses the bond he had with his best friend Ozaki, and we still got no clue why he joined the shikis.
Pity for Sunako? maybe. But then if it was for that, i will dislike him even more, because he didnt feel any pity for humans and when his best friend needed his help he turned his back on him. Iam wrong?
Im still hoping he will at least redeem himself with Ozaki. Otherwise ill keep my opinion that he is indeed useless.

But thats only my opinion, and ofc, we all have different opinions...
He is the main reason why Sunako choosing this village. He is also the man who comes up with the name Shiki. In many other Vampire VS Human shows, Vampire attacking human and drinking their blood for the sake nobody give a damn about. But in Shiki, Seishin thinks otherwise "Shiki and Human are equal." as a monk.

I agree he is not the character that make shiki looks epic and awesome but the show itself is following his story. But too bad the show didn't give him enough screen time.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he wish to die because he tried to commit suicide once. There could be another reason to it like he was blaming himself for something. And that reason could be something that make him believe that he is fit to be on Shiki side more than on Human side, well that is just my theory from the story he wrote and was being recited many times in the past episode.

P.S. Well this is discussion and why would I hate you for stating your opinion? And instead I would rather happy to see someone actually read my pose :D


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Dec 11, 2010 9:09 AM

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The war began between humans and shiki. Now let's see who will win.
Shimizu was great killing Chizuru, he finally avenged Megumi.
Tatsumi one-piece get-up was...facepalm. Seeing Sunako crying didn't make me to share the same emotions or at least to care for her or for the shiki except Ritsuko and that's because if she wanted a family she could just make it let's say 10 shiki top, but seeing that she wanted the entire village to be her family, well that was just selfish and reckless and now she's reaping what she sow.
So it appears that Seishin was bitten and he even let Tatsumi drink his blood. I don't know what to think about him, sure until now he was useless and he wanted to kill himself, but I think he has a bigger role to play in this.
I was disappointed that they didn't show Akira or even Seishin's father. I think that was why Seishin joined shiki so he can find out what happened with his father. Kaoru was great, first being afraid of Megumi and then seeing her embrace her fear and cracking her father's head. It looks like Masao wants a piece of Megumi and Megumi's finally afraid of something.
I can see why Natsuno didn't showed in this episode and that's because if someone saw him they will try to kill him since no one knows he's against the shiki.
I hope that Ritsuko will resist her hunger, she's the only one that I feel sorry if something would happen to her.
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the monk and Sunako's conversation scene was impressing.
Sunako said "Anyone who kills somebody, kills a man just in order to live, because otherwise he can't live on"
yes, I think it is basically true. then, I guess the author Ono-sensei raises a moral question that "Is it bad for us to kill somebody so as to live? or to realize a dream?"

I guess they may explain why the monk has an intention to kill against the village next episodes.
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Urufuzu_rein said:

I actually dunno if this was funny,nostalgic,sad,brutal,fabulous,hawt,ingenious or atmospheric.Maybe all of them.
Agreed.


Brutal death for Chizuru. And lots of movements now from all sides.
I liked how Ozaki nonchalantly mentioned experimenting on his wife and showing the videos for it.
Where's Natsuno though in this fuss?
As for Seishin, no comment. Never really cared for him.
Wonder what'll happen for the next 3 episodes. Will the humans kill all the shikis before sunset or will the shikis take their revenge on the humans when night approaches and the humans are tired from searching all day. Can't wait.

Lol Megumi kicking Masao and Tatsumi's outfit.
 
Dec 11, 2010 12:36 PM

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There must be more Natsuno, damn! >.<
Haha, Tatsumi and his clothes. When i saw him i was "wtf?!". At least Megumi knows how to dress herself right. Ozaki pissed me off this episode. Not anyone will be able to kill their loved one, unlike you, sensei. They don't understand? Yeah, right. They aren't cold blooded like you.
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Dec 11, 2010 1:38 PM

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Last 3 episodes promise to be damn awesome >___<

 
Dec 11, 2010 2:02 PM

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FUCK YEAH!!!

That's what I'm talking about, man this anime really got good after the 3 week hiatus...
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Dec 11, 2010 2:18 PM

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This is making me sad. :(

Where is Natsunooooo
 
Dec 11, 2010 6:33 PM

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Tatsumi's outfit...wtf?!
 
Dec 11, 2010 6:53 PM

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Well, the battle begins and people are "killing" the people who are raisen. I really like this episode.
 
Dec 11, 2010 9:08 PM

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Tatsumi's outfit. Seriously.
LOL.
 
Dec 11, 2010 10:40 PM

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This was a pretty nice episode. The war has begun and yeah.. I agree with most of the people here about Tatsumi's outfit.. just wrong on so many levels lol!
 
Dec 12, 2010 2:21 AM

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I love how most of these comments seem to be about Tatsumi's outfit. But I agree, it is pretty funny looking. XD
 
Dec 12, 2010 4:34 AM

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lostinabook said:
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LOL They obviously wanted to show that Humans are evil too. What's with the scary look ?


Maybe it's to claim that the hunted became a hunters. Killing, the other way or another in order to survive is inhuman and "evil" in both cases, isn't it?


There was that part towards the end of the episode where Sunako and Seishin were talking about Seishin's book and that the brother had killed in order to live. I think that statement was the "theme" of the episode, if not the whole series. The shiki kill humans in order to live, and now the humans are killing shiki so that they in turn won't be killed. Basically, it seems to be one big killing cycle that raises a lot of moral questions and obviously makes for an awesome storyline. :D


I agree, cause people can argue who is right and who is wrong. Shiki is not a story that you forget the instant after watching it :) Also the overall idea to put Kain and Abel into the story is interesting itself. Well, the story is based on a book, so that explains a lot.


 
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This is getting interesting now. Want the next episode!



 
Dec 12, 2010 6:05 AM

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Argh I keep hoping for the priest to come to his senses. It's infuriating how useless he is. It's one thing to do nothing and another thing to help the enemy.
 
Dec 12, 2010 6:31 AM

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Urufuzu_rein said:
Megumi's still funny as hell.
Best quote of the day->''Chizuru was my bitch''.
I actually dunno if this was funny,nostalgic,sad,brutal,fabulous,hawt,ingenious or atmospheric.Maybe all of them.


Chizuru was my bitch part made me lol xD


+ 1. That line made me laugh out loud.

The whole episode really was amazing. One of my favorite moments had to be near the end when all the villagers were chasing down the stranded Shiki who had no where to go and were killing them. I kinda felt bad for the Shiki in this episode.

The villagers are wearing the masks because they're ceremonial and they probably scare the Shiki. Also makes them look more badass XD

Bring on the epic battle!!!
 
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So anyway, finally I've gotten to the point where hearing Gackt in an actual role doesn't sound strange.
Oh Kaori, you're still so broken. Even more so than before~
Also, suddenly I feel like the protagonists are the Shikis, while the villagers are the antagonists. I mean, seriously, the village went nuts.
Did Natsuno change his shoes in the next episode? They don't look very pink anymore.
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You're saying Natsuno isn't going to wear his fabulous pink shoes anymore?
Dropped.
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