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Jun 1, 2008 12:22 PM
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Great character development in this episode.
It came as no surprise that griffith was gay, but it was disgusting, i dont mind him being gay, but a manwhore is just not acceptable and a suicidal one too. lol.

caska looked better younger long hair, I think she wouldave been ownage with long hair now she'd probably look like someone outta claymore.
Jun 15, 2008 1:39 AM
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djinn_690 said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Great character development in this episode.
It came as no surprise that griffith was gay, but it was disgusting, i dont mind him being gay, but a manwhore is just not acceptable and a suicidal one too. lol.

caska looked better younger long hair, I think she wouldave been ownage with long hair now she'd probably look like someone outta claymore.

That was weird. Giffith been abuse. Wow shocking
Jun 11, 2009 1:40 AM
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Wow, funny how the first discussion board for this show is on an episode that shows rape and hints at gay sex.

I don't think he's gay per se, but he obviously puts his dream above his own body.
Aug 4, 2009 3:44 PM
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Griffith is not gay, he was just willing to do anything to achieve his dream and protect his men. It may have been shameful what he did but I for one respect it.
Sep 1, 2009 9:48 PM
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you respect a guy for letting another guy enter him from behind?

this applies to both men and women but selling your body to get what you want is in no way worthy of respect in my opinion.
Sep 1, 2009 9:55 PM
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His sacrifice of himself for something more important is a brave move. Those were the times. And in his condition, when his dream is all he has in front of his eyes, using this old man is a minor thing.
What else would you suggest?
Nov 15, 2009 3:53 PM
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Awesome ep! Caska's and Griffith's past roled into one. Griffith is a great man, no question about it. He knows what he must do to fulfill his dream. And, you don't get anymore compassionate then Caska's character...
Jan 10, 2010 2:34 PM
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I didn't realize what had happened until I rewinded it. @ LiarK: He's getting porked for his dream. I really don't find any pride or braveness in that.
Jan 10, 2010 2:51 PM
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He's not proud of it and he admits that, but that's what he found the best for him to do in order to advance with his achievements. Maybe it does lack bravery, but still, to endure such deeds you have to be strong and determined. That's all.
Jan 22, 2010 6:18 PM
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Selling his body for money might not be worthy of respect (who knows. It's a matter of opinion), but you have to admit that Griffith is very strong and determined, like LiarK said, and honestly, I admire him for not giving up on his dreams no matter what. That's worthy of respect.
Jun 7, 2010 5:25 PM

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i dont know about respect or whatever, but im sure it was very hard for him to do that...
Jun 7, 2010 5:46 PM

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"Would you have sex with a stranger for a million dollars?"

I think a lot of people would say yes to that. At least when I take a detached view of the situation, I don't think Griffith did anything particularly outlandish, considering what he got out of the deal. It was a logical and straightforward method of getting the money he needed to fund his mercenary band. What is his pride, or whatever sense of revulsion he may have had, next to that?
Aug 11, 2010 10:51 AM

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Fuck Griffith, I loved the Caska x Gatsu scenes.

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Aug 28, 2010 8:47 AM
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He didn't do it for himself or to become rich, he did it for the band of the hawk.

Sep 7, 2010 8:42 AM

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I understand Griffith , but seriously , i didn't care about him in this episode. He was weird from the beginning. I was more interested in Casca.
Sep 11, 2010 9:14 PM

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Griffith is crazy boy died

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Sep 27, 2010 4:19 PM
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So..that explains our pretty boy's pedo feeling towards anoying princess girl..
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Oct 14, 2010 6:50 AM

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Well , I wasn't expecting that. I guess Griffith really will do anything to attain that dream of his.


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Oct 17, 2010 9:46 AM

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It really didn't come as a surprise to me for what he did in order to get money to help pay for costs of the entire band of the hawk. I really wasn't a huge fan of Griffith from the very first episode, somehow I could tell even then we was pure evil and would only use people.

It was a nice flashback of Caska and Guts. It made me understand more about Caska and why she is such a true follower of Grifith. Its too bad that she cut her hair though, for I think she looked a lot better with longer hair. LoL
Dec 11, 2010 10:14 AM

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Hmm, this show went further then I was expecting. Now that I think I see where it's heading, I hope it keeps going in this direction.
“Money can't buy dere”
Jan 18, 2011 5:28 PM

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I don't know how someone can sell their own body to get it their way. u_u
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~
Mar 26, 2011 2:28 AM

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Wow just wow
May 5, 2011 7:48 AM
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Finally Casca and Guts get to have a little chat.

And Griffith...wow!
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May 27, 2011 12:07 AM

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Such an emotionally packed episode.

Grifith and Caskas pasts.
Grifith proving that he will do anything to obtain his dreams and to allow the dreams of those under him to come to pass as well.

By having sex Grifith stopped the death of his soldiers.
High five mate.
Jun 10, 2011 5:58 AM

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Very emotion filled episode. We learned a lot about Casca and Griffiths past.. Pretty interesting stuff.

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Fuck Griffith, I loved the Caska x Gatsu scenes.


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Jun 16, 2011 6:23 PM

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lol. Damn intense. I'm not as strong as Griffith. What a strong and determine guy...but he's also a bit crazy which isn't good, scratching his arms like that.

This show is deeper than I expected. I thought it would just be brutal, but I'm glad it can get me thinking.
Oct 21, 2011 10:54 PM

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Man. I wasn't expecting that. So many emotions... AHH!

I'm glad I was home alone, because I just kept repeating "ohmygod ohmygod" and freakin out.

I really love this show so far, the character development is perfection.


Feb 5, 2012 8:39 PM
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So Griffith already took it in #2 huh.
Jun 16, 2012 8:36 AM

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And at midpoint, this series is reaching a whole other level of depth and drama. This was indeed great development, I love it when stories aren't afraid to show what people are capable of doing, and Berserk shows it realistically despite all the fantasy medieval setting.
Jun 28, 2012 4:36 PM

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It really didn't come as a surprise to me for what he did in order to get money to help pay for costs of the entire band of the hawk. I really wasn't a huge fan of Griffith from the very first episode, somehow I could tell even then he was pure evil and would only use people.

I'm not sure if you can call abandoning his pride and sleeping with a man in order to lower the amount of casualties "pure evil".
Aug 17, 2012 5:50 PM

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Wow this was some episode alright, nice background of Casca and Griffith.
Sep 18, 2012 8:32 AM

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Dat character development.
Jan 2, 2013 10:30 PM

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I still don't trust Griffith. He's definitely hiding something.
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Jan 4, 2013 9:15 AM
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Griffith is not gay, he was just willing to do anything to achieve his dream and protect his men. It may have been shameful what he did but I for one respect it.


I don't know about the "protect his men part".. or "for the band of the hawk".

Griffith is a conflicted character. On the face of it, he does everything for himself; the exception being Gatsu.
May 23, 2013 1:05 PM

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Geezus! I've always thought that Casca was a sickeningly annoying character, but she really took it to the limit in this episode. Guts should have left her to drown and saved himself. Not too sure how much more of this wench I can stand.

As for Griffith, after reading a few of the posts, can it be safely assumed that Griffith was letting that noble bend him over? Perhaps, Griffith was bending the noble over?

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Jun 10, 2013 4:09 PM

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I don't care what anyone says. Given the situation I think Griffith deserves respect for what he did. He's my fav. character so far.
Jun 28, 2013 2:51 PM

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Dat character development.
Oct 8, 2013 12:49 AM

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Wasn't expecting the ever-cool Griffith to sell his body.

Would love to see more Guts x Casca development~
Oct 21, 2013 2:05 AM
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This is the episode that break down the differences of the three main characters, and which will determine the outcome of their endeavors. Griffin yes he's strong, smart, and will do anything for his cause. Basically good for him, but bad for anyone who follows him. Guts may not be smart and charismatic, but he stands firm in his beliefs. He is also loyal as comrade. Also unlike Griffin he doesn't use others weaknesses to get what he wants. I got to respect a man who willing to stand alone, fight, and die for what he believes in. Casca is stronger than most of her male peers in every way. However she's destined for failure. She has yet learned to believe in herself as an adult and still follow someone else seeking their approval and guidance. If she can ever learn to believe and fight for Casca, she'll become a great character for this series.
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Nov 4, 2013 11:18 PM

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Well that was expected for Casca's backstory, but a litttle unexpected for Griffith. This is getting more and more complicated.
Apr 23, 2014 10:08 AM

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I loved the super desaturated color scheme of the flashbacks in this episode. It was very Griffith.
May 31, 2014 11:16 AM

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Well this sure was an interesting episode with a great backstory filled with some interesting surprises and character development!
Apr 7, 2015 2:10 PM
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I enjoyed this episode, great characters development. I still liked Griffith even if he had to do that type of shit.
Apr 30, 2015 9:54 PM
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Griffith is one crazy mother! man, sucks to find out that he would sell his body in order to support his dream and perhaps take away the guilt of those who had died for him, I did not see that coming at all, great episode!
Jun 2, 2015 2:10 AM

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djinn_690 said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Great character development in this episode.
It came as no surprise that griffith was gay, but it was disgusting, i dont mind him being gay, but a manwhore is just not acceptable and a suicidal one too. lol.

caska looked better younger long hair, I think she wouldave been ownage with long hair now she'd probably look like someone outta claymore.


I think she looks fine with short her. Suits her. But would suit her more if she was white. Especially with hair like that. And why the hell was Griffith scratching his arms like that!? I dunno why but I feel there's some dark secret he's hiding. Sometimes it feels like he's evil and some kind of demon pretending to be human. Something is up with him.
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Damn, the innocent and noble Griffith sold his body...don't know what to think. All this talk about dreams makes me wonder whats so great about them anyway.
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Selling his body for money might not be worthy of respect (who knows. It's a matter of opinion), but you have to admit that Griffith is very strong and determined, like LiarK said, and honestly, I admire him for not giving up on his dreams no matter what. That's worthy of respect.


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Dec 28, 2015 11:15 AM

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Man this series does not disappoint, its like it's getting better and better.
Jan 30, 2016 11:00 AM

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Rewatching in eng dub, This is why movies cut out so much crap, knowing more details about certain characters make something have more feels :v

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Feb 11, 2016 1:58 AM
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Dat Griffith.

Didn't really surprise me. I mean he did show his crazy eyes a few times before, so you know there's a few screws rattling around in his head.
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