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| What a way to end it! I could barely breathe in anticipation right until that cease-fire announcement. I do feel bad for Reinhard because he truly is a warrior first and foremost. The Empire has proven that its soldiers are more content with an honorable defeat than a pitiful victory. As for the Alliance, Truniht resembles a dictator far more than Reinhard. He's been in bed with the Earth Cult and I get the feeling he'll be scheming with them once again. I want to write them off as a bunch of loonies, but they're still an unknown element in the big picture. I can sort of understand where Yang and Minci are coming from. They have both demonstrated deep knowledge of history as well as a passion to preserve its integrity. Although defeating Reinhard and the Empire would have garnered a short term victory, it would have left a black mark on the grand scheme. Perhaps a new leader would rise up in the Empire (Reuenthal?) and would bring about an even greater atrocity than Reinhard ever could. In this sense, historians would look back and see Yang's deeds as nothing more than another cause and effect of more needless conflict. It reminds me a bit of when news of Osama bin Laden's death was announced. American citizens were rushing out into the streets, cheering and celebrating as though terrorism was finally defeated. But he was just one man, and the current state of our world is evidence that despite his demise, history remains on its course through unending conflict. That's not necessarily to open up a point about Osama or real politics, simply that I notice parallels which aid in understanding Yang. Speaking of, I don't think they'll execute Yang simply because Reinhard would feel that his rival would die with victory. I can only hope Yang will get to marry Frederica in time. |
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| That was hard for both Yang and Reinhard. But awww, that scene at the end so cuute <3 |
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| I'm looking forward for the day that Truniht dies, I really can't stand that guy. Loved the look on Frederica's face when Yang put his hand on her shoulder before the kiss ,she was like "oh shit, he's really going for it" xD I have conflicted emotions on the conclusion for this battle. I wanted Yang to win but I didn't want Reinhard to die...Talk about a lose-lose situation. |
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| God, I love this show. And I'm head-over-heels in love with Yang now too. Get in line, Frederica! Where once the combination of Siegfried and Reinhard would have been unstoppable (Reinhard being the bullheaded one with one goal in mind, and Sieg offering sensible arguments at crucial times), Reinhard alone isn't good enough to beat Yang (+Julian). Will Reinhard and Yang finally become friends, I wonder.. and what next? I suppose the next major theme to be tackled will be Earth and the Earth cult. |
| That last statement feels a bit ludicrous in that casualties of war are realistically almost never that high percentage wise. Otherwise that was an all around great episode, and it's sad to see how far the fpa has fallen in its ideals as well as how far Yang goes in preserving his. |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Some people may think that the sin of not saving a civilization is on the corrupt politicians, on its citizen who are complacent. But the sin lies most greatly on people who have the power to save it but fail to do so (like Yang). The Alliance is doomed to fail. Democracy is a weak system. Like a saying goes "A truly strong person does not need the approval of others any more than a lion needs the approval of sheep.". Yang is turning (or has turned) himself into a sheep. By buying into the myth that he is an equal to Truniht, or an equal to the average citizen of the Alliance, he must now act as if he were their equal, when he isn't. This means he is abasing himself. Taking himself from a position of nobility to a position of weakness (hence why he had to forfeit). The problem with democracy isn't the fact that there are corrupt politicians or that the citizens can become complacent. Boo hoo, that's how the world is. An ideology must not try to treat the world as if it were a fantasy. The problem with democracy is its core idea, that people are created equal and that they ought to be treated equally. It's the biggest joke in human history. With that said, there are benefits to democracy. If you value stability and peace: democracy does make violent revolutions less likely to happen since you do give citizens the option (or the illusion) of having a say in how the system is run. |
| Great Episode. But that thing with Reinhard is too much to be exactly on time LOL, is that a deus ex machina? Finally this lame battle is over, its the worst thing in the entire series, lame tactics and asspull by overpowered plot armor yang fleet. Now things are going to get back to how it was before. Please no more Plot Armor for Yang!! |
| I wanna see a spinoff where Reinhard dies because either Muller doesnt come back so fast or Hilda has worse prediction skillz or Reuenthal refuses their proposition or the govt doesnt surrender so fast/at all |
 Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| Is a joke? When Yang is near to win, he has to surrender!!! ; _ ; I think, i supose, that Mariendorf has opened the Pandora Box between Revental and Mittenmeyer, because Revental is ambitious!!! And why we cann´t watch this kiss between lovers? ; - ; |
| with the unexpected outcome of this battle (well considering its not even halfway done you could expect both survive) I wonder what will happen now. Also how much influence the earth cult will have in the future. I really hope reuenthal will not betray Reinhard. He should be smart enough to understand that he could not hold the galaxy together like Reinhard could. The battle .. why are Yangs victories always asspulls? This was not the worst but retreating 800.000 km to the asteroid belt, splitting your fleet with again using yangs magic "cloak" ability to conceal half of it to then ambush Reinhards forces which should overall be way less exhausted.. and not all blobbed together. Just no. This display of tactics was not worthy of Reinhard imo. Yang is loyal to his ideals while Julian made me hate him from the bottom of my heart - talking like half the episode about how its the right thing to submit to a democratic government and how military rule is bad just to say "Oh by the way I only carry out orders from yang because Im a massive fanboy." talk about double standards. I always thought Yang would "switch sides" to Reinhard at some point because reinhard is right. I dont see how a man who seized monarchy and gave freedom to the empire could be viewed as evil. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| That was rather unpredictable. I said before that if Yang loses it will be due to lack of resources but lol what was I thinking. Of course he wouldn't lose to such a simple reason as that... technically Yang didn't lose though, as victory was right in front of his eyes. It was interesting to see all the different opinions and reasoning within the Alliance. There was one guy who said that his family was on Heinessen, but people yelled at him saying "What did you say you bastard?" Isn't it human nature to care and want safety for your family above all else? Reinhard's laugh though. Doesn't seem like a good sign when a character laughs in such a way. Understandable though, because who would want to be handed a victory like that, when it was THE fight for your justice. Really liked the "collapse of democracy is the sin of every citizen." This episode really has some great insights. The episode discussion is full of thoughtful comments as well. I can understand the FPA valuing democracy, especially considering the Goldenbaum Dynasty and what Rudolf did, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the current Empire is the same. While that's hard for anyone to grasp (excluding Yang), but you can say the same with FPA's democracy. It started great, but look at what it's like now. Anyways, I don't intend to keep writing because it's such a deep subject, I just wanted to tie this in with Reuenthal. Democracy is definitely more stable, since without Reinhard, the Empire wouldn't be the same. If say Reuenthal were to assume Reinhard's position had the FPA actually won, what would become of the Empire? It's obvious that he will try to take Reinhard's position at some point (surprising that few others already suspect him), but I want to know why he thinks he can do better than Reinhard. What does he really want? Does he care about the people? I'm sure we'll get to know more later. |
| This episode changed the whole course of the show, and now we all know that Yang is superior to Reinhard. I wonder when that bastard Trunhit will die. |
| Truniht is a big fucking piece of shit. |
JohnWoo said: I like that Bayerlin and Mariendorf already suspect Oscar will turn... Seems too obvious now. Maybe it'll come from Mittenmeyer, Bittenfield or Little Finger Oberstein? Comparing Oberstein to Little Finger would be a bit irrelevant: |
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| Yep, Reuental will definitely betray someone. So, I'm rather excited: Yang is defeated but he orders Merkatz to escape, hide somewhere and create a fleet. I can only imagine how cool it'll be when that old man counterattacks the Empire. |
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| What a huge turning point for the series. I can see the beginnings of the threads that will weave the rest of the show. |
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| I just can't stop to adore Schönkopf's ability to hold an interesting talk about political philosophy and ask provocative questions. It was quite funny to see that Julian contradicted himself with all that "we must obey our government" thing when he rejected this obligation for some occasions. Turns out he sees it as obligatory only when it doesn't contradict with his own beliefs. So, does he even believe in all this "the will of the government is the will of the people" thing if he doesn;t want to follow it completely? I guess abstractions don't work that way. The will of the government is the will of the government in any moment in time, that's how it actually works. Thus I think that this argument for ceasing fire ("we are democrats so we follow the will of the government, which is the will of the people") doesn't make much sense. I bet that even Yang and Julian understand this deep in their hearts, seeing Trunicht becoming an usurpator (even without this, the will of 12 or whatever dudes in costumes doesn't equal to the will of the people, u know). So what's the real reason for stopping fire? In my opinion, it's the tradeoffs coming with the decision of killing Reinhard. This decision means disobeying the government. And if the army disobeys the government, the Imperial fleet is going to bombard Heinesen, making innocent people suffer and probably even die. THAT'S the real reason for Yang to order the cease of fire, not any other thing. Overall, I just love to see the autocracy vs democracy dilemma in this show, and how different characters reason differently about this dilemma in various situation. It's a pleasant watch. I am also very sorry for Reinhard, I'm afraid this "victory" is going to break him and his pride. |
St0rmbladeMar 13, 2019 2:29 AM
| I love characters in this show so much Hilda and Frederica, you're the best |
| I've heard a quote saying "You need many people to build a thing, but you only need one person to ruin it all" or something like that In this case, the chairman demonstrate it quite clearly :P Yang is really unfortunate, if only he was born in Empire The sad part is I can see Yang getting punished while the Chairman not, even though Yang did most of it because the Chairman "forced" him to |
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| Frustrating in a way, yet it didn't take away from the enjoyment at all. The plan in and of itself and the execution were great. Hilda was really able to shine and I'm glad for that. The whole scenario also played well with Yang's character and highlighted the dedication he put in his beliefs. Fuck Trunicht, tho. Alliance might have lost for now, but there's a ray of hope that goes with Merkatz. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| After a somewhat weak beginning, the second season turned out great and both way better and far more entertaining than the first, the inquiry, the battle of the two fortresses, and the final battle are all amazing. Also, only a series like this can have an episode about someone watching a documentary being one of its best ones. Even the moments of downtime were pretty great. Granted, not every moment was as good (the fight between Schonkopf and Reuenthal was silly, Fezzan was occupied very easily, the talk between Yang and Reinhard on the episode 54 was very simplistic, Rubinsky's son was disappointing, and what's up with the comedic moments with that black guy? That wouldn't be tolerated today) but there was not a single episode as cheesy and so-so as the lowest points in the first season and even the comedic and romantic moments were very good to the most part. So far I give the first season a low 8/10 and the second a low 9/10. |
CaptainKenshiroFeb 1, 2021 3:42 AM
Raizel said: This episode changed the whole course of the show, and now we all know that Yang is superior to Reinhard. I wonder when that bastard Trunhit will die. Next ep we get to see Yang and Reinhard meet finally. Hope Yang is allowed to live. |
| this series has been disappointing for a while now, like suddenly the empire just became wile e coyote levels of stupid just because yang shows up, it better improve fast because it's in the toilet for me right now |
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| Damn feels sad for reinhard that he was handed over the victory in this manner, hilda mittermyer and reuenthal changed history and its once again hinted that reuenthal will betray reinhard magnificent ep 10/10 |
| The one thing that surprised me the most was that I always thought Yang's goal was to just kill Reinhard and then retreat since he was vastly outnumbered (from what I could tell), but he still was able to take down 87% of the Imperial forces in 12 days, that's absolutely ridiculous. I really thought he was picking and choosing fights in his favour, tricking the enemy and moving in a way that'd get him closer to Reinhard's ship without directly confronting the entire fleet of ships, but in terms of numbers Yang really was close to complete victory. Although, I guess percentages don't tell the whole story here, it's still quite amazing to see. |
| so in the end that plot armour had came, just as expected lol. thing is, as usual, LogTH taking the plot armour on it's own way, on philosophical politics. bucock speech about democracy, and late shenckopp and julian conversation, only LotGH can pull this level, and astounding me every time from the beginning. so although usual plot armour are negative critics, LOGTH making that advantage to itself. absolutely masterpiece. hilda took a big change here with myrtemeir and reunthal (that seems to think something much more), but my biggest surprise was reinhard which seems to really wanna die in honour. i'm a bist surprise though that reinhard didn't had backup plan or the whole war, and thought that at the end he will pull some big twist, but this episode showed much more LOGTH's style of twist. i will say though yang's behaviour change little annoyed me, after last episode his attitude felt cold as ice but now he suddenly care more for government decision, but there's not perfect anime without any flaws. lol the biggest thing really highlighted here for me though is the earth cult's yugoslav and truniht alliance. that gonna be possibly the next topic in the anime. without that hilda's plan probably gonna fall. and it seems that hilda herself noticed for the weird spineless in the alliance rulers. one last thing:i would write: would be suffocate to death after running naked in the public. lol |
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| 2022 rewatch |
Fortress_MaximusAug 29, 2022 1:56 PM
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| Damn, so many people died in this battle to the death! Reinhard's victory was not achieved but given, eh. I wonder how ashamed he feels |
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| This is quite a sad episode, specially for Yang and his whole fleet, the real battle outcome was ruined thanks to one of the most dumb moves from the Alliance goverment, can't believe they did something likes this without fully trusting the hope to Yang. Out of all the characters Truniht is probably the biggest loser and one of the most hated and pathetic characters in all of anime period, not only did he arrest the main chief commander, he supported the earth worshipping religious cult and expects to get away clean by ceasefire method, truly disgracefull character. The kiss scene was beautiful, Yang demonstrating conflicting ideals and hard decisions weather or not obbey the orders from goverment, really made this battle feel more impactfull .He will stay a role model for all his commanders and soldiers till the very end. Really great episode, I think next episode is where the legendary meet of two legends is finally gonna happen. |
| a very bittersweet ending for the awesome battle of vermillion. |
| ''Touch the darkness inside me'' |
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