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| This episode felt like a space filler, but it did shed some interesting light on the question of pino's consiousness/cogito... Also, this director seems to LOVE shout-outs ( in episode 15, quiz show, was a shout-out/satire of the character "Q" from Star Trek: The Next Generation) and this one seems to show how much he loves disney's classic animation. |
Forough said: I like how it describes the way a proxy plays God for the world he creates but at the same time how it's not really perfect enough to be a flawless God. A God that has his own fears and despairs. Choosing a Disneyland theme to show how he controls his world and all the references were really clever. I really love how this anime tries different themes in many episodes. You have explained it interestingly there and I agree. If Will B. Good was a proxy then he just did an "inception" (yes the very same concept in Christopher Nolan's eponymous 2010 film, Inception) on Pino to divert Vincent coming to Smileland. Besides I'm extremely biased when it comes to Pino. XD :P |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Boring episode, enough with the fillers. |
UllusMay 3, 2011 10:01 AM
A man of few words. |
Forough said: I liked this episode. I like how it describes the way a proxy plays God for the world he creates but at the same time how it's not really perfect enough to be a flawless God. A God that has his own fears and despairs. Choosing a Disneyland theme to show how he controls his world and all the references were really clever. I really love how this anime tries different themes in many episodes. Huh. I really disliked it, but the return to normal at the end saved it. It reminded me of Paprika. It was kawaii, and showed an insight into Japanese family life. I knew it was going to be creepy, but I still found it annoying as heck. I didn't want to watch it, but I did. |
unclesnapple said: This was a good episode. Evil Walt Disney meets anime. How often do you get to see that? This episode hearkens back to the stories about the blonde guy and the shape-shifter. Each of them was like the god of their own town but screwed everything up. Seeing as how Re-l's grandfather (or at least the people who speak for him) want to use proxies as a god, these episodes illustrate the folly of that kind of thinking. Plus, from a stylistic standpoint, it's good to see the awkward mish-mash of old-school western cartoons and 21st century anime. I found it really disturbing and annoying. If I want to watch Western cartoons, I'll watch Western cartoons. Then again, it fits into the story. I didn't write the story, I'm only the audience, so I can't really complain. Life is far more disturbing then a cartoon. ;) |
Baphomet said: some12b said: Well, aside from the fact that when proxies meet they fight and eventually one of them kills the other. I think this episode of ergo proxy tries to explain Pinocchio from a different point of view. This. Plus, there's a closer look at Pino. We now see that she realizes the worth of relationships. Ah, so its a given that when proxies meet they fight and only one can survive. Interesting. I still found the episode creepy and disturbing, and not in a good way. I hate it when people tell you to "smile". The thought of "smile land" unnerves me. The adults discussing Pino's smile at the fair unsettled me. Is that why people have children, so they can watch them smile? |
SilentSympathy said: sunshinesan said: Pino's cuteness saved it. Otherwise it was kinda meh. Although it was still kinda meh. >.< Actually I don't like it when Pino's turned into some kind of kawaii doll. I find that disturbing. I'm not looking for cute. If I was, I wouldn't be watching ergo proxy. |
| Be thankful for these fillers! Otherwise this awesome show would only have 21 episodes... |
| Huh ? what a weird episode :P Sent with Mal Updater |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| What's with you people? Do you realize that a robot like Pino just had a dream? That she is more than a robot with a 'smile' function? Or that smileland is not what it is, a place with superficial grins. It's better enough that Pino is over adorable. It's not that bad of a filler, there's worst. |
| Fan of mature, dark, non-cutesy school uniformed choked fan service BS anime. |
| Felt like I was watching something from Satoshi Kon. |
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| Another filler episode, I just skipped most of it half way through, and this anime lost my interest again... |
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| This episode didn't disappoint. Pretty much confirmed my doubts that Proxies can really enter dreams such as the mindscrew episode with the bookstore. And the theme here did surprised me. Same with the MCQ. |
| I thought it would be shit but at the end it wasn't so bad |
-------Only God will judge me -------- iSignature |
aero said: Lol me too, finished it yesterday, but i actually liked itMan, I'm getting tired from watching pointless episodes. I just spent 50min watching eps 25,26 of Eva and now this?? >__> |
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| Wow, that was the best thing this show has done so far. |
| It was much better than the quiz episode. It was weird and funny. I liked the feeling that something is not okay with surrounding (nothing new in the series), why in this dream she hears questions about Re-l, Vincent ? And the end of the episode, why did he choose to change the path ? Did he knew that Pino was right ? Maybe it was his 'inner' Proxy that was asking Pino for an answer about his weakness ? Then, why would it make any sense ? ahhhh ... :) |
| I love this episode, everything about it. All the references, humors, and philosophical undertones were great. So, we have more confirmation on two things: Proxies are God of each town, they maintains its life support but when they awake, they can cause destruction for that town. Secondly, Ergo Proxy is feared as an agent of death to these Proxies, so they always try to kill him first. Also, it was said that there were 300 Proxies created so it means that there were 300 towns at the beginning. I wonder what town Ergo Proxy was on charge of. |
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| I have nothing against fillers when atleast have something to do with the story. But this was ridiculous. |
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ThangLong said: I love this episode, everything about it. All the references, humors, and philosophical undertones were great. So, we have more confirmation on two things: Proxies are God of each town, they maintains its life support but when they awake, they can cause destruction for that town. Secondly, Ergo Proxy is feared as an agent of death to these Proxies, so they always try to kill him first. Also, it was said that there were 300 Proxies created so it means that there were 300 towns at the beginning. I wonder what town Ergo Proxy was on charge of. Maybe he was in charge of Mosque:O Great episode, loved the trippy disney thing going on, also I liked the fact that Pino can dream now that she's "infected" she's just like a human girl but with robot features;p |
| Didnt love the disney utopia feel of the episode, but there was a lot of information. The interesting part to me was that when proxy-es meet they fight. Then i figured that the quiz proxy killed 25 proxies because he said that before Vincent he played this game 25 times and never lost |
some12b said: Well, aside from the fact that when proxies meet they fight and eventually one of them kills the other. I think this episode of ergo proxy tries to explain Pinocchio from a different point of view. The fact that when Pino smiles is an almost unprescedented act in smile world, sets the mood that she in fact is more human than a puppet (of course this is due to the cogito virus). And the fact that the other "puppets" turn into real people at the will of their creator is just screaming Pinocchio. The fake, unreal, autoreivs or cartoonish people, have to mantain the circus of smiles in order to survive makes the smile world actually a very depressing world. Since there is no laughter without crying, no happines without saddenss. Never really enjoying anything since they're forced to fakelly enjoy everything. Thats why like Ergo Proxy, it's some deep $h1t Wow that's a really nice connection you made! Pino=Pinocchio? :o mind blown!!! This episode was kind of like a character development episode for Pino. I like how Viincent ends up listening to Pino and not stop at the town. Did anyone else think of Will.i.am when you find out the creator's name is Will.B.Good? o_O maybe it's just me. Btw, it's terrible that proxies have to kill each other when they meet, because that also means the whole town they built dies with them. The world of Ergo Proxy really is strange... |
pit_bull said: Yeah, I had a similar feeling during this episode. Mainly the jolting change of pace in these so called filler episodes has been annoying for me. I can appreciate the content, but the style seems out of place. So I found this episode kinda meh.If I want to watch Western cartoons, I'll watch Western cartoons. |
| Another filler like episode, well, at least it was better than Vince one... |
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| This wasn't filler. It's an original anime, not a manga based one. A series with 23 episodes is short compared to a series with 40 or 200 episodes like Bleach or Gundam. Plus what others have said with Pino and the Proxy itself is proof alone that this was not filler. It was more like the writers being clever and creative with a series they put so much work into. Especially when it pays off at the end with answers to everything. They were having fun with this episode and the 15th ep. It's kind of like down time to crack jokes at whatever they do in their office. If they were to give you flashbacks or some same old 'meet an enemy and fight' episode then it would be repeating just about any other show that does that. (Now I don't know if that was what the writers or directors were doing/thinking; I was not there but it's a rational cause^^^) I think we have all done this when we do a project in a group or if one has ever done animations or game programming. It was a good parody of Walt Disney and Disney world itself. A dark themed or thought provoking anime can have satire you know. When you realize this you can then truly take in an artwork like this series and appreciate it for what it's worth. I'm a writer so when people complain how boring a story is or that something was not necessary; in a series that's not as mainstream and perhaps obscure like a series as this I get really annoyed. |
t3hruroni said: This wasn't filler. It's an original anime, not a manga based one. A series with 23 episodes is short compared to a series with 40 or 200 episodes like Bleach or Gundam. Plus what others have said with Pino and the Proxy itself is proof alone that this was not filler. It was more like the writers being clever and creative with a series they put so much work into. Especially when it pays off at the end with answers to everything. They were having fun with this episode and the 15th ep. It's kind of like down time to crack jokes at whatever they do in their office. If they were to give you flashbacks or some same old 'meet an enemy and fight' episode then it would be repeating just about any other show that does that. (Now I don't know if that was what the writers or directors were doing/thinking; I was not there but it's a rational cause^^^) I think we have all done this when we do a project in a group or if one has ever done animations or game programming. It was a good parody of Walt Disney and Disney world itself. A dark themed or thought provoking anime can have satire you know. When you realize this you can then truly take in an artwork like this series and appreciate it for what it's worth. I'm a writer so when people complain how boring a story is or that something was not necessary; in a series that's not as mainstream and perhaps obscure like a series as this I get really annoyed. I heavily agree with your post, especially the bolded aspect. I enjoyed what the Proxy perspective I saw from this episode and was thusly entertained. :) |
| きみ は だれ だい？ ぼく は ラムボ！ ぼく は だれ だい？ きみ は ラムボ！ ラムボ なんでし！ |
| Indeed, I enjoyed this episode myself. At the beginning I was staring at the screen gaping, but it turned out well, further developing Pino as well. Nothing to be angry about here. |
Boba_Fett said: Another filler episode, I just skipped most of it half way through, and this anime lost my interest again... Boba_Fett, Shush, I've had enough of your negativity. This episode was awesome. |
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| Ergo Proxy never fails to surprise me. At first the WTF, factor was strong, but once Will B. Good entered the episode made more sense in the context of the series. This series is big on ideas about the nature of the self and about breaking free of one's limitations to explore the outside world. Smile Land is another self contained miniverse like Romdo, were there is little if no development. Wherever Ergo Proxy goes (Vincent), there is destruction and with it change. Hence the 'local' Proxy used this powers to access Pino's dreams to find a way to defeat Vincent. When that wasn't possible he begged of her to keep him away so that Smileland could continue it's present way of life. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Seriously this anime don't need these fillers. What the heck if it is some episode shorter who the f*ck gives. If this anime didn't had fillers it would probably be rated much higher than it is now. |
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| theese fillers doesnt even fit the series at all.. |
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| even if this episode was part filler kudos to them for attempting something different and unique and once again like the game show host if you actually get past the ridiculous setting you do get some facts, its not all show! this is coming from some one who detest's fillers i really do! |
unclesnapple said: 0_0 No, trust me, the real Walt Disney was a lot more evil than this dude. This was a good episode. Evil Walt Disney meets anime. How often do you get to see that? Anyways, it was an okay episode, however it is out of place when compared to the series as a whole (along with the game show) . . . I felt that this series could have been great if it had kept up the momentum it built in the first half of the series, though don't get me wrong, I still like it quite a bit. |
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| I definitely do not consider this ep, and the game show ep fillers. Why would you make a 23 ep long series and put fillers in it? no. they obviously don't need fillers, there is no space to fill...... The producers are juts really big trolls who aren't scared to take the show in the direction they want, they don't really care if some people consider it trash. |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
| What a shithole of an episode, couldn't even watch 2 minutes of it till I skipped the episode entirely. It's just a lousy filler episode trying to be unique and just kills the dark mood of the show like the Game Show episode did. |
| Ergo Proxy is a unique show. It tries to do things (and successfully executes) that other anime wouldn't even dare to think. Another great episode. Figured it was a proxy's doing pretty early. That Proxy is a God, but a flawed God at that, was explained nicely. This is the beauty of wonderful storytelling. Rather than showing a fist fight, first ep 15, and now this one, tries and suceeds to do something different. This episode also showed how much Pino has developed, that she can consider Vince and Re-L as friends. In a sense, the 2nd half so far is better than the 1st half, especially in developing the characters. 5/5 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| This was a weird filler episode, but I still liked it more than the trivia show episode. At least this one had a proper twist at the end and didn't end quite as abruptly as the trivia show episode. Still, All of this filler is starting to distract me from the main plot, which kind of sucks :( Hopefully there's no more of it until the end. |
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| The star of this episode was Pino,well that's good,leting her shine. |
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| It's pretty funny how so many people are quick to label an episode a filler. Just because it's not the same old dark and dreary doesn't make it a filler. As many have commented, this episode builds Pino's character and what makes her different from other Autoreivs along with incorporating the theme of a Proxy's significance. And because it's Pino *dream*, it makes sense for it to cartoony and fun. I quite liked it since we've shown just how amazing this cogito virus is and a proxy who isn't a fighter but has nice, if kinda screwy, intentions. He just wants all his customers to continue smiling until the end of the world. |
Sakarii said: It's pretty funny how so many people are quick to label an episode a filler. Just because it's not the same old dark and dreary doesn't make it a filler. As many have commented, this episode builds Pino's character and what makes her different from other Autoreivs along with incorporating the theme of a Proxy's significance. And because it's Pino *dream*, it makes sense for it to cartoony and fun. Not mention this is an original story. There is no such thing as filler in this anime. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to label "different" as "filler." And yes, I also believe this episode builds Pino's character, just as the last "filler" gave the viewers a lot of information on the world in Ergo Proxy. This was another good episode. |
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